Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luo Meizhen (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  20:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Luo Meizhen

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Longevity claimant that no one seems to believe. Recommend merge to appropriate Longevity Claims list, per

WP:PERMASTUB, possibly mentioning there that she was stubborn and lived in a shed. EEng (talk) 04:37, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

I suggested earlier this fall that this kind of thing be handled via merge discussions on the article talk page. But it was felt that, because of the decade-long history of puppetry and disruption associated with longevity, the more public process at AfD would be preferable. EEng (talk) 01:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this perfectly illustrates the problem with these articles. One specialized group (in China) says she was 127 but another (western) group says they don't agree - and declare this or that person is the real oldest. I was just saying there are likely older people in China but that country is not counted in the "world's oldest" and "asia's oldest" breathing contest. It's a big guessing game. Delete Legacypac (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One group in China say she was 127, but no one else seems to agree, so that's a
WP:FRINGE theory. Documentation in China is very poor, so it's very difficult to prove Chinese longevity claimants' ages. Nothing to do with China being "left out". -- Ollie231213 (talk) 23:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are huge amounts worth saying about aliens, bigfoot, and Nessie, so standalone articles are appropriate. Not so here. EEng (talk) 02:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And there's more than enough to say here about Luo Meizhen. It was the nomination (and a number of delete votes) that is based primarily on the argument that this is a "Longevity claimant that no one seems to believe", though you acknowledge that there is no obstacle here, whether the claim is true or not. Alansohn (talk) 03:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • there's more than enough to say here about Luo Meizhen: Really? Because the entirety of what the article says about her is this:
She was one of the Yao people and lived in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region (GZAR), in a small village in Bama county known for the longevity of many of its residents, including a 106-year-old woman and 113-year-old man (in 2011). She lived in a shed with her 63-year-old grandson and his son. She was described as a nice, but stubborn woman with a strong character.
  • It was the nomination (and a number of delete votes) that is based primarily on the argument that this is a "Longevity claimant that no one seems to believe": No, the nomination is about NOPAGE, as in "Recommend merge to appropriate Longevity Claims list, per
    WP:PERMASTUB
    ".
Welcome to Wikipedia. EEng (talk) 04:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You've already voted. All you've done is repeat the same claims that have been rebutted already. Maybe you need to ask your favorite admin to shill for you here as well. Maybe its time you said farewell to Wikipedia. Alansohn (talk) 04:43, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tsk, tsk. I guess this means you won't be explaining how the three sentences above comprise "more than enough to say" about the subject. EEng (talk) 04:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the !wikilaw? What is the minimal number of words for an article, below which we delete?
    WP:PERMASTUB (essay) do not mention the exact number. You keep referring to it as if it does. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:49, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
It's a matter for editorial judgment of course, but I think in general three short sentences doesn't qualify. EEng (talk) 04:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So four sentences make a sufficient article? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a matter of "sufficiency" -- this isn't about meeting some threshold to be "good enough" for a standalone article. The question, again, is how to best present what there is to say about the subject. If there's so little to say that it can easily be said in a list entry, or in a minibio as discussed here [1]. The three short sentences in the article now probably fit. But there's no magic number of course -- sorry. EEng (talk) 18:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep I am seeing tons of coverage and age is a notable achieve though this does appear to be dubious. Valoem talk contrib 15:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Notability isn't at issue so coverage has nothing to do with it. EEng (talk) 16:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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