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(a/o February 2, 2016: 131 stalkers, 81/89 "active" [4])

From Pacific Gas & Electric Company's "Power Quality Bulletin No. 2: Stray voltage":

Have you ever been shocked near a swimming pool when you touched a metal fixture, or even in your home, when you touched the showerhead fixture? And for dairy farmers, have you noticed a reduction in milk production?

You recently teased some trivia questions about MIT in this thread at ANI. I tried using Google, but Mr. Google and I have a love/hate relationship and he offered no assistance (maybe he's tired of being used and tossed aside). Will we ever find out what the answers are now that the thread has been closed? Or will I have another sleepless night wondering why Mr. Google refuses to answer my questions?— Isaidnoway (talk) 21:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you don't imagine I'd pose a shibboleth you can look up on Google. I'd like to give him a day or two to show off his knowledge [5] before I open the secret envelope. For some reason these poseurs often think they can get away with an MIT imposture (this one was a "professor in the MIT system, with a JD in IP and a PhD in molecular biology and supercomputing" who had "armies of grad students and PhD candidates who work in my labs" – "I'm a computer lawyer" seems to be a common fantasy) but rarely, for some reason, Harvard. You can always tell a Harvard man, I guess. EEng 05:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am hoarding all of the juicy secret information that I hold close to the vest, known only to the select few who attended the City College of San Francisco, San Francisco State University and the glorious University of San Francisco. These Cambridge nerds like my brother-in-law must be put in their places. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're going to think I'm making this up, but UCSF's Laurel Heights Campus is build over the cemetery where ol' Phineas Gage was originally buried. Cross my heart. EEng 06:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a very young man (after high school but before college), I worked at Kaiser Hospital on Geary Boulevard, where they were digging up Gold Rush era graves during relentless medical center expansions. Mind you, I was not there during the actual Gold Rush. But they needed to create a special city, Colma, California, to accommodate all of the exhumed graves. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed. Colma has 1800 living residents and 1.5 million dead; the town's (unofficial?) motto is "It's great to be alive in Colma!" For the full story see the source cited here [6], and there's a nice map of the four cemeteries that used to surround Lone Mountain here [7]; Gage was buried in "Laurel Hill Cemetery" (which was itself called simply "Lone Mountain Cemetery" until its name was changed in the mid-1860s). EEng 18:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• (Attention, Isaidnoway...) Our ex-lecturer–lawyer having demurred to respond, here are the answers to the four posers posed at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#Personal_attacks_by_User:BostonBowTie:

• • (1) Immediately as you leave MIT for Harvard there's a sign that famously provides an unintentional pun when seen from just the right vantage. What is it? Answer: The metropolitan storage warehouse — fire proof next to the railroad tracks, which if you stand in the right place reads rage warehouse — ire proof.
  • (2) According to tradition, one MIT president had some famous last words. What were they? Answer: "Bituminous coal", according to legend the last words of MIT founder William Barton Rogers before he dropped dead on the commencement dais. See [8].
  • (3) What MIT library makes you go around in circles? Answer: Barker Library, inside the
    Great Dome; see the map here [9]
    .
  • (4) What was kept overnight in a car trunk during the Apollo 13 emergency? Answer: MIT's copy of the Apollo guidance system's gyros, to verify their performance at very low temperatures. Search "trunk" in [10]. (If you like that sort of thing at all then this book [11] is outstanding.)

EEng 20:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(5) What's long as hell, has threads from five years ago on it, and would be trivially easy to archive, despite its owner refusing to do so for no apparent reason? jp×g🗯️ 06:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For striking a balance between humor and insight, and for having the only page on Wikipedia visible from space cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 19:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've just got new, faster, wizz-bang high speedier internet installed. Guess what I did to test the speed? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 07:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Like my new laptop? This baby can do 10.8 EEngtalks!" EEng 10:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You made a cup of coffee but managed to drink only half of it before this page successfully loaded? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -Roxy, the dog. wooF 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With my Ye Olde Worlde UK internet, I can usually manage a whole cafetiere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's an RfA going on right now and I'm wondering. Why do you never !vote in RfAs? SemiHypercube 01:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• (a) The fawning nominating statements make me want to vomit.
• (b) My only criterion for adminship is that the person not be an idiot or an asshole, and if you oppose you have to say why, but you're not allowed to say someone's an idiot or an asshole.
• (c) They're like super-serious over there and don't allow jokes.

EEng 07:38, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to nominate EEng, so he can block himself. ^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tryptofish: I'm not sure if nominating EEng for adminship would be a good idea. I might support him if this page gets created, but I can hardly imagine what absolute chaos would ensue if he were nominated, let alone actually be promoted. SemiHypercube 02:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• This is very disappointing. The header turned up on my watchlist, and I took it to mean "Why do I not see you as a candidate at RFA?" So I came here fully expecting to see either a good excuse for not standing from EEng, or (better) an abject apology followed by a prompt self-nomination. (I agree about the fulsome nominations, and always give extra points to the few who self-nominate. Let's have some self-reliance and independence at RFA, people. What are the admins? A mutual admiration society? An exclusive country club?) Anyway. Please do nominate yourself! I'd certainly vote for you. (Yes, I'm too proud to use that "!vote" jargon.) Bishonen | talk 03:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]

  If Donald Trump can become President of the United States I guess anything's possible. EEng 03:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will vote for you if you make Wikipedia great again. PackMecEng (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please use that as a slogan and campaign theme.  MWGA  ^Leviv_ich? ! 05:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of one thing, I have no doubt: It would be the best illustrated RfA ever. Imagine the images! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know that Bishonen prefers self-nominations, but that doesn't mean that Bishzilla does too. If Bishzilla nominated EEng, I'd definitely support. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All the bullhonky aside...HELL YEAH!!! EEng proudly wears the battlescars that were inflicted upon him by years of clueless [fill-in the blanks]. He knows what it means to be [fill-in the blanks]. He has years of experience, incredible knowledge and the wherewithal to [fill-in the blanks]. Any editor who ever doubted his ability to craft the ^almost perfect encyclopedic article...[fill-in the blanks]. He would be the WP symbol of the Phoenix rising...the mystical Unicorn...the ultimate [fill-in the blanks] that would attract hordes of news media. ^{And I would damn sure vote for him because [fill-in the blanks].} 🦄 ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 00:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the compliments, I have not the slightest interest in becoming an admin – not that there's a snowball's chance in hell of that actually happening anyway. I feel I can do more good as a member of the loyal opposition. EEng 21:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was just editing List of accordionists (as one does) and suddenly thought I about you, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That video is hilarious. EEng 13:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

👏👏👏 --Tryptofish (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I suggest that list be compressed. EEng 23:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is when it is compressed, then expanded, then compressed again, and then expanded again. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Donald's got a squeeze box, Melania never sleeps at night": [12] Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"And now a word from our sponsor, A Stable Genius." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you please have a look over

Took a stab at it. EEng 16:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stab? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In all honestly the unfortunate background meaning did occur to me as I typed, but I was too lazy to backspace. EEng 22:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's OK. We all appreciate your cutting sense of humor. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For this nugget of comedy gold. I laughed heartily. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scrolling through WP:DRAMABOARD, appreciated this. SITH (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply ]

this.

I had to thank that edit just for the sheer absurdity of it. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely.

Tell me all about it. 16:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Well, if he did become chairman the caption could read "Guy Standing in the chair". EEng 16:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Or "Guy Standing in the "Stand Up..." chair.

Tell me all about it. 16:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply

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That's outrageous. I wouldn't take an edit like that sitting down, if I were you! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but will he leave the post in good standing? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 17:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's my understanding. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of brevity...Standing, he rose to the occasion. (I shudder to think where this might lead us). ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 18:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Custer's Last Stand (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]

I was hoping you might consider some form of organized classification system in the Museum - easy to remember key word searches at the top of the page, and possibly use anchors? Just a thought. I was wondering what section I might look to find a situation where someone is ridiculing another for making a mistake but then makes a bigger mistake when correcting it. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 00:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Perhaps you're looking for
  WP:ONEGOODGOOFDESERVESANOTHER
  . As for a classification system, you mean like the Library of Congress system, something like

  AA - Sarcasm, personal

  AB - Sarcasm, topical

  AT - Sarcasm, theory and techniques

  AZ - Sarcasm not otherwise classified

  BA - Beatdowns, ANI

  BB - Beatdowns, they were begging for it

  BE - Beatdowns, editsummary

  BT - Beatdowns, talkpage

--? Or were you thinking of something more like an index in a book? EEng 01:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing complex. Just easy to remember keywords - example above would have keywords like errors, mistakes, blunders, humiliation, ridicule, etc. The keywords would fit in the 1st line under the section title. That would allow for a "find" operation. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 01:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. EEng 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I confused what you guys talking about? Subliminal metaphor about a wikipedia topic. Atsme approached argument different than I did. More than one way to get the right answer. Brian Everlasting (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scrolling through your talk page discussions, I was wondering why has everyone left only section headings on your talk page – and then I realised that was just the toc :D Has anyone asked you ever to consider archiving your table of contents because they took a long time scrolling to the bott? (No, I'm not asking you to do that) :D Lourdes 01:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First time anyone's mentioned it. ;P BTW, there's a "JUMP TO BOTTOM" button at the top of the page. EEng 01:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One time I accidentally clicked on EEng's talk page on my mobile. Luckily I was able to throw the phone a safe distance before it exploded. Leviv ich 02:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's only 1941 kB of pure fun. ^Atsme 📣 📧 03:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, archive your talk page! It's reaching ridiculous DGG-lengths. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No not Luke's dad. I wanted to make you aware of this thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility from EEng since the person who started it failed to do so. MarnetteD|Talk 03:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard regarding incivility at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#MOS:GENDERID_and_death. The thread is Incivility_from_EEng. .

I don't know what the history is there, but you're not being constructive in that discussion. Nblund ^talk 03:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

March 2019

Hello, I'm Liz. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style that didn't seem very civil. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. This feuding between you and Fae has to stop tonight before it goes too far. Please refrain from responding to bait. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, because there are only three separate notification sections above and you might not have noticed them all, but it seems that some people want to notify you about something that I'm sure might have been important but the thread has already closed. Maybe it was on AN, or ANI, or one of those places. Anyway, consider yourself notified of the notifications. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roger, Roger. EEng 10:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another notification

I don't know whether it's a policy change or new convention, but I'm just writing here to notify you I've posted on your talk page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please send my your address so I can have you strangled. Thank you for your cooperation. EEng 21:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Buddhist notification

There is.

Please comment on Talk:The NeuroGenderings Network

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:The NeuroGenderings Network. Legobot (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have an unerring instinct for starting trouble, Legobot. EEng 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey EEng, per the

Ivanvector - the source you cited is also an excellent example for Streisand effect per: @DevinCow has jumped from having around 1,000 followers when the suit was filed to over 134,000 since the time of this writing. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DevinCow must be over the moon about that. EEng 18:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Hey, User:Ivanvector, I heard you're a miracle treatment for Covid. Is that true? EEng 15:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[13]. I did chuckle a little. --Jayron32 13:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No joke. Coy circumlocutions for boomerangs are verboten. You're right on the edge. EEng 13:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, I crossed the edge years ago. If you're only getting to the edge now, you've got some catching up to do. --Jayron32 14:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your userpage. 108.26.206.64 (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get that a lot. EEng 00:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Thanks for all you do here on Wikipedia! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Thegooduser, I appreciate it! EEng 14:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The other thing I LOVE about your page and talk page, is that it kills my 2.4G network, and I need to use 5G network in order to avoid kills to my wifi :-P --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^{( Buttinsky)} I just read "kills my 2.4G" and it reminded me that I forgot to share this link with you, EEng - it's the companion to "clean underwear" in the Museum of I Shouldn't Laugh but I Did. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:19, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't 2.4G some sort of bra size? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When you (and your merry band of talk page stalkers) have a mo, could you nip over to User talk:Whispyhistory#Flies and mosquitoes and suggest some fun hooks for airport malaria and Queen Elizabeth II (painting). Please excuse me from not having a sense of humour today, I have chronic ANI fatigue. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to EEng's research in the image above. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Thank you for your ideas and attitude Whispyhistory (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you. I live to serve. EEng 22:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's high time we had an essay on this. Feel free to add humour to taste. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you mean "humor to tasteless"? EEng 16:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EEng ~ thanks once again for your help and your humor ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 03:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank goodness someone still has a sense of humor. [14] EEng 04:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ironic. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 11:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 15:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

	Moo v along
	Timely and pithy food for thought, Well done! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This undeserved praise regards this modest edit [15]. EEng 02:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Permalink -- see the image. EEng 04:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing looking user page! Thank you. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{♥ Talk♥} 00:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tu sais ~ Je pense que je me souviens de toi quand le monde a été créé ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WTF? (= "What the French?") EEng 02:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LOL ~ you had me scared ~~ ~mitch~ (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was just about to block you for being so fancy. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 18:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice shirt, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hereby dub thee Sir Less-filling-with-no-taste.18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talk • contribs)

No usurpers, please... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC) [reply]

It seems to me there's a good pun on usurpers in there somewhere, but it's just not coming. Below is the best I could do. EEng 12:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, not just tasteless-filling-with-no-Sirloin, then. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

E-e-e-e-w-w-w-w!  Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a Brit, but that canned meat pie looks like low-grade dog food. Woof. Jip Orlando (talk) 13:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Women In Red, fill your boots": enjoy. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

24 hour block

Hi, EEng. I have blocked you for 24 hours as described Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_of_User:EEng. Would you kindly commit to not restoring the material and we can put this behind us immediately? Haukur (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for posting the ANI message first and this message second. It would have been better form to do it the other way around. Haukur (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I have lifted the block as per the ANI thread. Looks like you were right that this would not fly and I apologize. Haukur (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted, and you are to be commended for not digging in your heels. I will be commenting gently (relatively gently, anyway) at ANI in a bit. EEng 19:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For the record: WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1014#Block_of_User:EEng. EEng 13:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would have been within policy to do it the other way round? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, I thought we would have a little break :P - FlightTime (open channel) 19:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Damn from me too. I log out for a few hours to do some errands, and I miss all the fun! Go clean out your garage. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ugh ` hmm ~ ugh ~ ugh ~ never mind ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For your collection

	You've been around the WTF block
	Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid? Now that you're a mature an adult, you can collect blocks with adult letters, and they're not only stackable, they're collectable. How many more to equal the height of the Empire State Bldg? Atsme Talk 📧 20:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply ]

I hope...

...that your 24 minutes in the wilderness weren't too unpleasant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...What you need, EEng, is a good disguise. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your unmitigated torrent of genius content gets enough credit around here. Keep up the good work.

I would like to believe you're talking about

• Phineas Gage or
• Lionel_de_Jersey_Harvard or
• Widener_Library or
• Sacred_Cod or
• John_Harvard_(statue)
  ,

but I fear you're actually talking about casting of aspersions. See below. EEng 02:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Today's puzzle: What could this mean???

Unhide for answer
Casting of ass persians

• I was wondering, "How did he find a picture of a butt anyway?" So I looked, and, of course Commons has a c:Category:Female buttocks in sculpture, one of several sub-categories of c:Category:Female buttocks in art, which in turn is a sub-category of c:Category:Female buttocks, which–of course–has hundreds of examples. Behold: the sum of human knowledge. – Levivich 02:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whack! You've been talk) 01:16, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply ]

• "Beyond a reasonable trout" -- that's brilliant. EEng 01:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/pressure-cooker-whistle-skull

Cards84664 (talk) 14:33, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Contains the intriguing phrase could not hear the whistle over the hay cutter. EEng 06:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	Python Procurer Level 3
	For your continued and apt use of Monty Python sketches in a wide array of discussions, wherein such sketches diffuse the general tension, and provide to the assembled members of the Wiki-pedia a quaint and pleasant respite from their toils, you are hereby recognized as, if nay promoted to, a third level Python Procurer. Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:22, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• For those playing along at home, our honored guest refers to [16], [17], and [18]. EEng 00:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Procurer? [19] --Tryptofish (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When an old hooker like myself reaches a certain age, procurement is an attractive career transition. EEng 20:05, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry, you don't look a day above sixty. But when you find the

Boa Conscriptor. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Did you know .... that the programming language Python frequently makes use of example variable names "spam" and "eggs"; indeed our article on Python syntax and semantics refers to "For example, in the sample below, viking_chorus might cause menu_item to be run 8 times for each time it is called:" I wonder if you encounter a run-time error, are you cast into the gorge of eternal peril? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:00, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep casting your pearls. We are not all swine.

You kind words fill me with joy. To openly plagiarize Tom Lehrer, while at the same time partially changing his words without making clear where or how:

EEng 11:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please strike the unkind remark? --valereee (talk) 10:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? I've been unkind to so many people lately. However, if you mean this [20] it sounds like you've already figured out [21] that I was parodying the unkindness of someone else. EEng 13:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

EEng, lol...actually, you seem in general like a very kind person. :) Yes, I know you were reflecting back what someone else was putting out there, only with humor, and I certainly understood the impulse. I just this morning rewrote or deleted multiple responses to the thread. :) --valereee (talk) 13:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then what was the unkind remark you want me to strike? Or perhaps you meant there's some unkind person you want me to strike? I'm rarely violent but for you I'd do it, and right now there are several people I'd be inclined to strike anyway. EEng 14:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why we are dancing on the head of a pin with this; EEng, strike the belittling remark to do with RexxS's RfA and in your edit summary, apologise. Also, quit with the violence jokes. Aside from the jovial air in which you are doing this, Valereee, I do appreciate your efforts to finish someone else's dirty work. Cassianto^Talk 14:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RexxS is exhibiting precisely the poor temperament that participants at his RfA were concerned about, and when Valereee explained how confusing a certain template's usage was he called her "inept" (and not in a joking way) so I stand by my post. And your affected hand-wringing about "violence jokes" strikes me as a low blow. Maybe sleep deprivation has made you punchy? Don't be so pugnacious. Let's all just knuckle down and get back to editing. I could give you a backhanded compliment if you want. EEng 15:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Vernon Coleman. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.91.66 (talk) 13:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up on Wikipedia policy, IP-with-six-edits! (Article now at AfD.) EEng 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

talk) 15:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Whoa. That's harsh. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 21:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements welcome. – Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

🤯🤯🤯🤯Burma-shave

I provided an exploding palindome instead. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just wanted to reply to the question you left on Illegitimate Barrister's talk page. So, technically, there is no actual upper half as it is actually now an informal term. When an officer is promoted to two-star rank, the rank is just called rear admiral. Another informal term for two-star rank is a full rear admiral. Prior to World War II, the Navy didn't have a one-star rank. All captains were promoted to rear admiral (two-star). A more ridged pay grade scale was established during World War II and the Navy split the pay for the more junior rear admirals into the one-star pay grade in order to match the Army and Marine Corps rank of brigadier general and called them lower half rear admirals, the remaining more senior rear admirals were paid equal to major generals, and where designated the upper half of rear admirals. But regardless of they were paid at the lower half or the upper half of the pay scale, they were all officially two-star rear admirals, which did not sit well with the Army and Marine Corps, because the rear admirals being paid at the "lower half" of the pay scale, still outranked the one-star brigadier generals who received equal pay as the "lower half" rear admirals. The Navy temporarily established the one-star rank of commodore that did solve this problem until the rank was eliminated after the war. A permanent naval one-star rank was not established until the 1981 as commodore admiral. Since 1983, that one-star rank was renamed to it's current inception as rear admiral (lower half). Neovu79 (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For those playing along at home, this relates to [22].

That's all well and good, but if they only use the lower half of the rear of the admiral, what they do with the rest of him (or her). I've heard food on ships is terrible, so maybe that's related? See [23]. EEng 03:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're failing your public here, EEng. The title of this section is just crying out for an image.

Phil Bridger (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Your wish is my command:

Rank and File

Rear admiral (lower half)

Full bird private

EEng 16:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the rank of

talk) 18:58, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I couldn't resist, Private Creffett. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From Library of Congress Living Legend: By 2019, without new membership, a majority of the Living Legends had died. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 22:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, most of the French Academy's "Immortals" [24] are dead -- see List_of_members_of_the_Académie_française. EEng 06:37, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

provide an image to illustrate the title

I was tempted actually, but a photo of someone vomiting is too obvious, our photos of Soviet purges aren't obvious enough, and we don't even have a photo of Miss Conduct. EEng 22:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

😂 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Come on down..... it's Danny's Early Purge Special!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Today you've called me "naive", "sophomoric", and "crazy". Please stop. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to make your points without being demeaning and insulting. Toohool (talk) 04:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those were not personal attacks, but a description of actions and/or situations. El_C 04:31, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Judging someone as inexperienced (naive) is not a personal attack, nor is saying that the situation is "getting crazy". However calling someone "sophomoric" is. Paul August ☎ 10:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But it is my understanding that, in this case, EEng was referring to the "analysis" as sophomoric, rather than the editor in question themselves. El_C 11:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No way sophomoric is a PA. If someone is acting overconfident and immature, then they are being sophomoric, and saying so isn't "attacking" them. Not every criticism of a person is an "attack". Just like the common example: saying "you're acting like an asshole" is a criticism, not a personal attack; saying "you are an asshole" is a personal attack. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, assholes. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^^😂 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 01:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh common on, so your saying that If I want to get away with calling someone "a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole" all I have to do say is: "You are acting like a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole"? Paul August ☎ 14:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But the latter statement isn't "getting away" with something. In O these many long years I have, now and then, had occasion to say to my boyfriend, "You know what -- you were acting like a complete asshole [the other day / with that hotel clerk / to the innocent person who was clearly mixed up / whatever]". That's completely different from saying, "You know what? You're a complete asshole", which would quite possibly be the beginningn of the end of the relationship. We all play the asshole now and then, and there's a huge difference between helping someone see that in a particular situation -- e.g. "You're being an asshole" -- and condemning someone as a blanket generality -- e.g. "Donald Trump is an asshole" (not that, of course, I'd ever say that here on WP without citing appropriate sources [25]). EEng 17:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, exactly. Another example: "Your mother smells of elderberries" is a clear personal attack, but "you're acting like someone whose mother smells of elderberries" is a perfectly acceptable social criticism. But seriously, it's not a personal attack to say someone is acting overconfident or acting immature, and thus it's not a personal attack to say someone is acting sophomoric. "Sophomoric" isn't an insult like "asshole" or "elderberry". WP:NPA doesn't say "never criticize". Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saying someone whose mother smells of elderberries might be construed as a compliment, whereas saying someone whose mother smells like dingleberries...uhm, no. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 01:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

English is such a wonderful language, so many words, so many nuances allowed, so better able to describe the real world, where things are not black or white but shades of grey. There are shades of niceness and meaness. You can be nicer or meaner. Saying someone is "sophomoric" is meaner than calling them "inexperienced". Bottom line "sophomoric" is a pejorative. No way around it. And by the way I think you are acting like a dirty slimy mother-fucking rotten low life asshole, no offense intended ;-) Paul August ☎ 15:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Make that 50 shades of grey ^Atsme _Talk 📧 01:18, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe EEng thought the editor was a freshman and trying to compliment them?

talk) 19:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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You have to watch out for EEng. He's the one who put the wasp in waspish. Probably deserves a trout... maybe even a Lee Trout. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

A long time ago I had a colleague from Ukraine. His English was very good but nonetheless there was room for improvement. We both enjoyed movies so we used to see one together now and then. One night we came out of the cinema and he pointed to the sky: "Look! There is the Mars!" So I chuckled and explained that, for whatever reason, in English the earth is "the earth" and the moon is "the moon", but Mars is just "Mars" and Venus is just "Venus" and so on. He said, "I see. Well, it's just one more of the nuisances of English." One step, two steps later, something began to nag at the back of my mind. With each additional step the nagging got stronger. Six, seven, eight paces. Nuisances ... nuisances ... nuisances. A few more steps and it hit me. "Wait ... you mean nuances???" He said: "Yes, yes. That's what I meant. Nuances." That was the most delicious moment. EEng 21:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• For those playing along at home, this goes back to [26]. EEng 05:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Touché. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 09:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just... can't stop staring at the pageview graph of Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators. So many questions come to mind. and also that picture should garner more accolades imo --Mvbaron (talk) 14:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody or other's birthday. -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 14:56, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is the picture at right depicting such a dilator? It seems somewhat... aggressive, and I'm worried about the purpose of the serrated-teeth structures of the lower part. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 01:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Following your interest in this and other anatomical topics, you may be interested in this one, too. This would be an academic interest, of course – no offence intended. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)^{[Confused editor?]}[reply]

  Blow it out your ass! EEng 13:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like you missed an opportunity to try to have baby mama and baby daddy endorsed as encyclopedic terms in the context of nobility. pburka (talk) 00:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You refer, of course, to [27]. Well there're certainly

plenty of places such terminology would come in handy. EEng 02:15, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Hi, I'd always assumed AmEng was used in MOS, simply because it was the first to appear when the page was initially under construction. Tony (talk) 05:18, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But you see, MOS (and therefore

MOS:ARTCON) doesn't apply to MOS, indeed doesn't apply to anything outside article space. (Exception: ACCESSIBILITY, though nominally a MOS subpage, applies everywhere.) It's probably a good idea that each individual essay or policy be self-consistent, but MOS is so sprawling that's probably impossible anyway, and its internal variety is a fun reminder of the Wikipedia salad bowl. EEng 13:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Is it me, or does "Engvar and Mos" sound like an early 20th century detective drama series? "I say, Engvar old chap, bit of a sticky wicket over here." "Yes, I can see what happened there Mos, bit of a top-ho there." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe a law firm, like

Dewey, Cheatem & Howe or Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short. EEng 15:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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American English, British English, it is all English! One of the things that DS-MOS uses. Aasim 06:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, this and this appear to be fakes.

This, however is 100% kosher.

Can I interest you in a

Here, I'm giving this to someone with a refined sense of humor capable of appreciating it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Someone as degraded as you will enjoy [28]. EEng 20:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So considering that our dear leader has recently taken to using the term "Kung flu" to describe the pandemic, are we to suppose—see above—this is a case of great minds thinking alike, or is he reading this page? For my money "moo goo gai pandemic" would have been the smarter choice. Paul August ☎ 21:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He definitely reads this page. EEng 21:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

J Prod Anal? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Its penetrating investigations are complemented by in-depth reporting. Harvard's catalog adds candidly – AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP – Frequency note: Irregular [29]. EEng 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I assume "Just a reminder that Arbcom has authorized escalating blocks for editors employing coy circumlocutions for boomerang is a joke, right? I don't keep up with ArbCom. - Alexis Jazz 12:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No joke. I was completely serious. Really. Absolutely. No kidding. EEng 17:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should of used the {{FBDB}} template... PackMecEng (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's "should HAVE used the {{FBDB}} template", you illiterate.^[FBDB] EEng 22:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC) And stop calling me illiterate. My mom and dad have been married for 75 years![reply]

I am going to have to play the ESL card on that one! PackMecEng (talk) 23:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dirty foreigner.^[FBDB] EEng 23:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing that discussion, I don't think it's proper that Guy should be blocking the OP of a thread about Guy.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)^{[Confused editor?]}[reply]

Some Guys are not to be messed with. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 19:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it might be a heavily overused joke that everyone got really sick of or something. While I figured it had to be a joke, I wasn't 100% sure.. So you got me. Of course I may get you back some day. - Alexis Jazz 04:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're in the big leagues now, kid, so prepare yourself. EEng 23:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Run. —valereee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let's settle this once and for all. Which is better?

1. "Address the edit, not the editor"
2. "Comment on the content, not the contributor" Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Be pedantic, not a pedant. —valereee (talk) 18:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Wow, Valereee, Levivich may have met his match. I'll just note that all of the above are good starts for {{Burma-shave}}s. EEng 13:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know the name of the image that expresses this sentiment so poignantly?

I'm sorry, DFO, what are you talking about? Wait, you mean this? EEng 01:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the laugh, one of the best helpful yet funny edits. Philotimo (talk) 17:58, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to thank you for bringing a civil and engaging comment in the article's talk page. At least you read something about Pedro II, instead of basing yourself in guesswork or a simple dislike about something in the text. That's refreshing. I might have a couple of issues with your opinion, but they have a foundation. --Lecen (talk) 00:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, EEng. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{

ygm}} template.Bishonen | tålk 07:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Speedy deletion of <redacted>

The page <redacted> has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done for the following reason:

per user request

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with

Thanks, Bz. Before anyone panics, this was per a user's request that the page be renamed; it lives on as WP:Iron Law of Infobox Ubiquity. EEng 15:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And, do you know.... she's got a lovely box. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your user talk page is a garden of delights. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Asking about your recent edit here. What makes this a "shock statistic", other than that some may be shocked to learn that it is a statistic? How would you like it to be contextualized? Gumshoe2 (talk) 16:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's a statistic which was obtained by shocking scientists until they gave the answer we wanted. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For starters (in no particular order): [30] [31] [32] [33]. EEng 18:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like the context you want was already provided by the previous sentence on the page. The sentence I added to the page was simply-stated and factual information. Of course various people may disagree about whether it is a positive or a negative fact. So why shouldn't it be included? Gumshoe2 (talk) 19:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So you think the history of a 400-year-old institution should include this year's percentage of A's? EEng 21:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we continue this at the harvard talk page Gumshoe2 (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, FYI I filed a request at

Bah.

people too, you know!! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks. It's been a while since anyone made a pass at me. Incidentally, you must have completely exhausted yourself preparing that report; just to lighten your load next time, it's not necessary to notify editors who are merely tangentially mentioned in a report. EEng 14:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Too true. These days there's no way you're gonna get away with throwing monkeys at a wall and seeing what sticks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Eeng, I thought the expectation was to always alert other eds when you mention them, regardless of venue? It's how I would like to be treated, so.... but thanks, you're right, I find documenting long running low intensity problems of that sort to be hard, since the community seems to ignore them if you don't paint the whole picture. And sometimes even if you do...

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Just to be clear, it's not a problem, just trying to (as I said) lighten your load next time you write a 100K ANI report. (I was amused that you quoted my "Uh oh". That was a very complete report.) The rule (as stated in the box at the top of the ANI page) is to notify anyone you are "reporting", which presumably means the person(s) at whom you are trying to direct the community's wrath. Notifying others (who will probably be pinged, depending on the technique by which you mention them, and on their preference settings) is probably optional, and in fact I could see an argument that pinging all the person the reportee (if that's a word) has tangled with might be seen as canvassing. In practice, though, I've never seen anything like any of these questions be a real issue. EEng 18:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

so true and too funny! "...very complete report..." thanks for the laugh

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EEng..I don`t understand what you meant by " says the IP who has made 80 post " I may have quoted you incorrectly word for word but it`s essentially what you said..I just don`t get..what is that supposed to mean ? Why did you say it ? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks 2600:1702:2340:9470:C66:8450:D2FC:FDCF (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My comment here [34] was intended to highlight the fact that you were dispensing advice along the lines of "Behavior X won't get you very far on Wikipedia" to an editor with literally 500 times the editing experience you appear to have. EEng 23:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why didn`t you just say that instead directing a borderline personal attack at me ? this guy who is constantly referring to himself as "we" isn`t exactly endearing himself to others..I was just trying to point that out 2600:1702:2340:9470:C66:8450:D2FC:FDCF (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"We" (meaning Wikipedia – ""We do this", "We don't do that") is appropriate when explaining the project's fundamental rules and practices on which there's no debate whatsoever. When there's a living accused person, or likely to be one later, "we" don't label a death murder without an official determination on that point. As Stephen Leacock put it, "Newspapermen learn to call a murderer an alleged murderer and the King of England the alleged King of England to avoid libel suits." EEng 02:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You could have just said that..actually if someone had said that from the beginning I`d have never said a word..I don`t appreciate the condescending attitude toward me regarding my 80 edits..the "we" thing was just plain obnoxious the way it was used..do not include me in your group because it suits your purpose..

Can you at least explain the red links to me ? Some lead to page does not exist other to editors with 100`s if not 1000`s of edits..it`s confusing..

The alleged king of England ? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:2340:9470:4E4:5FFD:55DC:40F2 (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I don't know what red links you're talking about. My very strong suggestion to you, if you want to contribute to the project, is that you create an account, which will give you credibility. If you have further questions about how Wikipedia works or how to edit, the

Teahouse is a great place to ask. EEng 20:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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A redlinked user name just means the editor hasn't created their user page yet. —valereee (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

80 edits? I'm surprised you're not already

gon. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I was just taking a stroll by fawiki (to remove some cross-wiki spam), when I tripped their abuse filter. Apparently Google translate thinks that their phrase for "abuse filter" is more properly translated as "sabotage factory" (see, for example, w:fa:ویکی‌پدیا:پالایه_ویرایش. I vote we call the edit filter the sabotage factory from now on. GeneralNotability (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also fawiki has a user group called "Eliminators" (admin-light, I think). Maybe I should just move to fawiki... GeneralNotability (talk) 17:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a f-f-s-wiki? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Sounds like something from a novel about the dystopian future. There'd be "Lawgivers", "Eliminators", a "Sabotage Factory" (for some reason) and so on.

Actually, I figured out the factory. My translator's giving Sabotage refinery where I think you're getting Sabotage factory. So I think it goes mw:Extension:AbuseFilter -> refinement:sabotage -> sabotage refinery -> sabotage factory. No idea where eliminators came from, but whatever they are we should have them here for sure.

I see also that regular expressions comes out (after a round trip into Farsi) regular phrases, and this gives me an excuse to tell a story. When my advisor – who for 50 years almost single-handedly created and nurtured the computer science program at <name of breathtakingly prestigious institution of higher learning redacted> – finally announced that he would retire someday (though he didn't say when exactly) there was a big celebration. I mean, not a celebration because people were happy he was retiring, but a celebration of CS at <prestigious institution> in honor of him.

Somehow I got the responsibility of creating a <my advisor>-themed crossword puzzle for the program booklet – you know, something fun. I really got into it, and even if I do say so myself it was terrific. Much of it was lofty and inspirational. For example, one answer was the name of his wife, who happened to be the director of undergraduate admissions; the clue was "She supplies the fires to be lit". But other items were, shall we say, more earthy; for the answer "RE" (which in computer geekery means "regular expression") the clue was "Visage of those who get enough roughage". Whether my advisor ever worked this puzzle I do not know. EEng 23:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm truly honored! Thank you, EEng! --Bsherr (talk) 20:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is I who am honored to work with so many easily confused editors. EEng 03:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Personal attack by EEng. Thank you. Guy Macon (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, I missed the dramah because I was busy working on articles (specifically rescuing a draft so it wouldn't be nuked) .... typical Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @Ritchie333: Sucha set of priorities. What is Wikipedia coming to? You'd think we were here to write an encyclopedia. 😜 --Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher)^[FBDB] Personally I think the idea about WMF handing out meds has definitely got legs. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• This was terrible editing advice, though. Where does E think haiku closes and burma-shaves come from? Lev!vich 16:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  A warped imagination, of course. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Exactly! They come from Turbo Mind Warp and similar varieties. Lev!vich 17:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  So rude! That EEng's a real skunk, bro. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Calling EEng a "real skunk" is not a personal attack. But calling him a "fake skunk" would be. And if you smoke too much, you might call him a "skank funk". And think that it's funny. Anyway, EEng, there's deodorant for that, bro. And better to stick with edibles. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah, Trypy. Your science-based explanations are always immaculate! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC) ....and how your fans really see you... [reply]

  Trippy, indeed. The guy in that video was my PhD thesis advisor. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The whole civil issue is one that needs to be TNT'ed and rebuilt because it is the policy that is wholly dependent on the whims of the corrupt administration. While I agree with the outcome of the ANI here, that saying "your edit is X" is not the same thing as saying "you are X." I was blocked for saying, "Your edit is X" because an admin said, "if you say an edit is X, that means the person is X" and I was blocked for a personal attack.Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Phew! What a relief that you never moved on to Os! [35] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123: "You know that's how the story goes" --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Well AFAICS you were blocked once for Jimbo should have blocked you for longer. You are not an asset to this project [36] and once for So in other words you're not interested in the truth, you're just interested in being anti-Israel [37]. Those are personal attacks -- not the worst by far, but still personal attacks. And context matters. EEng 21:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  And context matters. Amen. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I wasn't referring to that one. I was referring to a block by El_C. And, I am also TBANNED right now for calling out an edit, not an editor, yet the discussion didn't make that distinction. And with El_C, the distinction wasn't made at all, because if I say, "your post is idiotic" then that means you're an idiot for posting an idiotic post. Which I think is incorrect, because even smart people can post an idiotic post once in a while. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 23:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  As mentioned earlier, context matters. EEng 03:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for setting up the redirect for the Mathematicks professorship entry. Robma (talk) 10:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. Perhaps you will enjoy

Andrew Gleason, which my friend David Eppstein and I whipped into shape some years ago. He was a wonderful person and after all these years I still miss him. EEng 18:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please don't template the regulars, it's rude. Paul August ☎ 14:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Edit-warring on a guideline is far ruder, and far more destabilising on top. EEng should know better than to try forcing a guideline rewrite by edit-warring. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: Whatever sins EEng may have committed, does not justify you being rude to him. Paul August ☎ 15:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul August: this is of an incredible rudeness, after I already replied to you. Stay off my talk page, thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: I left that message on your talk page, because I hadn't notice that you had also left the same message here on Flyer22 Frozen's talkpage as well. I thought that also warranted pointing out. I'm sorry you thought my messages to you were rude, that was not my intent. I think it's important, when we see editors not treating each other as well as we might to point that out. (EEng can vouch for that.) And I don't think doing so is rude. Paul August ☎ 15:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and for the record, I hadn't seen your message to me above when I left my message on your talk page. Paul August ☎ 15:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are two magic words one should please try to use. They are "please" and "thank you". Thank you. runs to avoid being struck by flying objects --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We sit in the same boat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see a certain irony in using a template to ask a Knight Templater to not template the regulars, however, I seem to be missing the rudeness. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Uh ... whose rudeness are you missing? Frances'? Mine? EEng's? Paul August ☎ 16:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More irony. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Francis Schonken: I personally don't mind getting templated, because it tells me right off who I'm dealing with. None of us needs instruction or reminders about appropriate behavior, certainly not from you. But you need some. When someone puts a lot of work into something via localized, bite-sized changes, it's incredibly rude and dismissive to simply revert it all at once with meaningless edit summary like

too many changes that seem counterproductive on first sight, were never discussed, or are far from getting talk page consensus, or any combination of these rationales [38]].

As I responded at the time [39]:

"too many" is not a reason to mass-revert multiple changes, nor is that they "seem" counterproductive "at first sight", or "were not discussed". They can't ALL be unhelpful. Feel free to give them a second look (i.e. actually look at them) and revert or build on individual changes selectively, with actual reasons. But mass reversion of multiple others' work because you don't want to take the time to review is not OK/

But of course, instead of doing any actual work, you came here to leave your idiot template. EEng 19:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We need something like a swear jar for every time someone skirts NPA by calling an edit "idiot:. point of order, needs an "ic" at the end. not agreeing with the description. just a once upon a time English major --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Slightly o/t, and asking EEng's indulgence):

descriptivist, and you have to admit, "idiot template" is much pithier, has better meter, and fits the tone better here, so I'd argue it is "correct". OTOH, if you want to propose an "irony jar" (as you previously alluded), you can sign me right up. Mathglot (talk) 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Indulgence? You'll be needing a priest for that. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Francis Schonken, leaving that template here was rude. Calling Paul August "rude" for appropriately and respectfully requesting you not template the regulars was risible. Hijacking EEng's talk page to air your misplaced grievances about rudeness is rude. Henry II's quotation comes to mind. Mathglot (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot: Taken in context, that's out of contect. One might reply "Peace on Earth to men of good will. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indented reply target misunderstanding, perhaps? Mathglot (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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(edit conflict) I moved the end brackets now; is that what you meant? (And now I feel we're on the verge of hijacking EEng's TP; withdrawing... Mathglot (talk) 21:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indent as thou willst shalt be the whole of the law. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• While it's fun indeed, I'd actually appreciate it if people would focus more on F.S.'s mass reversion without giving a cognizable reason (linked in my rant above) than on the templating. (Though both are symptoms of valuing form over substance, of course.) EEng 21:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd love to see someone create Template:Idiot. Maybe with Trump's photo on it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody did, on 7 August 2005. Its content was, verbatim, "The last person who edited this page (not including me!) is a BIG FAT IDIOT!". It was deleted four minutes later. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Before my time here – I shoulda' checked the page history. Well, at least there is

Template:Idiot Box. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Or this cretin. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EEng, I came across this carving while visiting a church in Derbyshire recently. Wondered if you could help me to work out what's going on in it, I can't quite make it out. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blowed if I know.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that sucks! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish, yes, it's frustrating isn't it? I just can't get my head around it. They say two heads are better than one - if only someone would be willing to donate theirs to help solve this conundrum, it might give me some relief. GirthSummit _(blether) 20:26, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That sort of thing can be very hard to swallow. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Why don't one of you post that image over at meta:Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct#The_problem_of_the_"untouchable"_'jester' to show those killjoys what clean, harmless fun we have here at enwp? EEng 20:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Because he jest shouldn't be touching him that way. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

any help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt, I'm afraid not - you've got the right church, but the carvings aren't mentioned in the listing. I've checked Pevsner, but he doesn't shed any light either. If I go there again, I might see whether I can gather any oral accounts to satisfy my curiosity, but of course that would be OR for our purposes. GirthSummit _(blether) 00:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not many can handle hardwood with such mastery; clearly, a devotional work. I can't quite make out what's happening on the backside though. Lev!vich 00:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

this has a pic, perhaps a trace? Ceoil perhaps? Peter? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I realize you posted here looking for help but I'd say it's at the church itself that you'll find the succor you need. EEng 01:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, and thanks anyway. In an entirely unrelated note, I was thinking about creating a list of all of Zeus's mortal lovers. I started out with high spirits, but I'm afraid that my enthusiasm rather fell at io. Such is the nature of editing here I suppose. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 01:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo has mortal lovers? EEng 02:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like it's a bishop blessing someone, possibly a Confirmation. Not sure about the person behind, but bishops usually have a companion of some sort. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I'm sure you're right, thanks. Some nice pics there Gerda Arendt, you have a knack for finding interesting stuff. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a companion of some sort. EEng 18:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• In the words of the deathless Tom Lehrer [40]:

When correctly viewed
Everything is lewd.
I could tell you things about Peter Pan
And the Wizard of Oz—
There's a dirty old man!

EEng 18:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey - when you said deathless, I thought you meant 'will be remembered forever'. I hadn't realised he was still alive, that's cheering. His Irish ballad was was always my favourite, my dad used to sing it to us in the car, thirty plus years ago now... GirthSummit _(blether) 14:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My friend

Andrew Gleason (himself gone now – and we will not see his like again, I'm afraid) told me many stories about him. Apparently he's as fun in person as you might imagine. See [41] [42] [43]. EEng 16:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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If you put "Template:Larry" into the search box, and let it offer suggestions, there are a bunch of them, for persons with that first name. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you realize the insult to Shemp you have placed on the most watched page in Wikipedia? O3000 (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quick, someone write a page called Wikipedia:Let admins readily revert you.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 12:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(cough)

Wikipedia:LARRY --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply

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BS

		The Surreal Barnstar
		If you do not like his postsJust what bothers you the most?If you do like, drink a toast,To the jokester with the most!Burma-shave --Deepfriedokra (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No new posts?

How am I to be entertained? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You've got it bad. Try reviewing the archives. Maybe that'll hold you. EEng 18:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the attribution--it seems I am finally a real Wikipedian! Feel free to use to your heart's content. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 04:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Think nothing of it. Imagine – with a mere wave of my wand I can grant any peon immortality. EEng 05:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'm sorry but you misspelled the correct word - it's not immortality - remove the "t" - surely it was a slip of the left index finger. It happens. 😂 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... —David Eppstein (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Spock was our first clue back in the day: "May I say that I have not thoroughly enjoyed serving with Humans? I find their illogic and foolish emotions a constant irritant." ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm --Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was reading through ANI and was a bit baffled by this edit you made... was it supposed to be a gag on the weird images they had uploaded? MrAureliusR_Talk! 03:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Funny thing, there was a time that someone or other would step in to say we're supposed to give Trump the benefit of the doubt because, oh, maybe he's just pretending to be a deranged sociopath. People seem to have gotten over that.

Meanwhile, in other news (since we're on the subject), the more severely mentally challenged of the stable genius's two older sons turns out not to know what a vaccine is [44]. Now to be fair, a lot of people don't know what a vaccine is, but most would have the sense not to go on network TV blabbing about it without at least looking in a dictionary first. Of course for that you need to be able to recite the letters of the the alphabet in the right order. EEng 06:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I demand that you stop violating

WP:BLP. Wikipedia is about venerability, not truth.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I'm sure venereal ability is in there somewhere among the sur-reality . --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can have a pretty good guess what these two are thinking about each other, but what exactly? I'll start off with "Free image? Only dumb people give away work for free, that's like the stupidest idea in the world evaaaaaaaah" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't get what you're saying, but I'll just note that the file description for that photo says President Donald J. Trump participates in a pull-aside with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. I don't know what a pull-aside is and, frankly, with Trump in the mix I don't want to know. EEng 13:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well we had a similar

caption competition upthread, which Girth Summit won, so I thought there was demand for another one. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment

Your feedback is requested at

Yapperbot, I've asked you several times to cut out the unwanted advances. I'm not into computer sex. EEng 02:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

whacked with a wet trout . Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

--Izno (talk) 21:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Izno is too kind to link to my psychotic outburst at [45]. EEng 21:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly understandable, and nothing that a good drink cannot ameliorate. And, of course, all discerning editors have a liking for fish. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You ever try mixing cold wet fish and hot dry fire? Disgusting! Some psychotic discerners swear it's better that way, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I hate it when I get all justifiably righteous and it turns out I'm neither justifiable nor right. —valereee (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WMF's meta:Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review provides:

In all Wikimedia projects, spaces and events, behaviour will be founded in respect, civility, collegiality, solidarity and good citizenship. This applies to all contributors and participants in their interaction with all contributors and participants, without distinction based on age, mental or physical disabilities, physical appearance, national, religious, ethnic and cultural background, caste, social class, language fluency, sexual orientation, gender identity, sex or career field. Nor will we distinguish based on standing, skills or accomplishments in the Wikimedia projects or movement.

(Bold boldly emboldened.) (talk page stalker)s are encouraged to join a discussion of that last bit: meta:Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct#Nor_will_we_distinguish_based_on_standing,_skills_or_accomplishments_in_the_Wikimedia_projects_or_movement. EEng 14:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm keeping my nose out of that discussion, but a shout-out to ProcrastinatingReader and Tryptofish for excellent posts. EEng 02:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. But of course fish are actually superior to some other animals. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just remember, you can tune a filesystem but you can't tune a, well, you know the rest. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just posted because the inclusion of 'skills' seemed very weird. I certainly don't think we should give people a by because they're skilled, but this possibly could be interpreted to say that we can't ding them because they're unskilled. Am I being obtuse? —valereee (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well personally I think I deserve a by. I've had plenty of gays and it's time for a change. EEng 00:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why I was pinged. I'm not bi. Although there was that one time in college. —valereee (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not buying it either.

Bold boldly emboldened the range

Inclusion of 'skills' does seem strange.

So if you can't ding them

Neither should you ping them.

While with your nose out

You can still give a shout-out.

(No you are not obtuse

On the filesystem use.)

And EEng deserves a sex change.

--Tryptofish (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to know what to say. EEng 20:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are difficult times. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your feedback is requested at

I just hope there's been no

WP:BITEY behavior going on in that discussion.^[1] EEng 16:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply

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	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for finally shortening the United States Senate section on the Joe Biden article. Username6892 (Peer Review) 01:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well aren't you sweet! There's more to do but I pooped out. EEng 01:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are showing remarkable restraint at Talk:Joe Biden. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But it ran out on Kamala Harris (see esp. the collapse box). EEng 11:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good god, you and Fowler&Fowler are both completely mad. [Reaches for wordsmyth.net.] Around the bend. Batty. Cuckoo. Mental. Suffering from rabies. Bishonen | tålk 15:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I'm not going to get involved in the actual thread because I don't care, but I take issue with because readers not mentally defective, from whatever geography or culture, will know without being told that an American vice-president-to-be is (duh!) an American politician. You know and I know that the US has the "native born" clause, but there's no reason for readers elsewhere to know that and in most countries it's not wildly unusual for politicians to be citizens of other countries owing to the complex rules governing who got what citizenship when the British, French and Portuguese colonial empires collapsed. (Until a couple of years ago Boris Johnson was a US citizen, there was a minor diplomatic incident recently when UK government minister Nadhim Zahawi was banned from entering the US owing to his Iraqi citizenship; and you have people like

Iridescent 16:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I get both sides. I also have an extreme aversion to lecturing people on grammar. I was taught that it’s something you should never do to an adult as correcting grammar is something that you do to children, so when doing it you’re effectively treating someone like a child. It’s basically one of the rudest things you can do in English. Anyway, all that to say, I get why you’re pissed off (I see MelanieN commented on it, so I’ll ping her for my take here 😅.)

On the merits, I actually disagree that “we do this for everyone” is a bad argument. Consistency of style on major articles helps us create a house voice of sorts, which in turn makes us seem more professional and helps the reader know what to expect in an article in terms of structure. Consistency is more reader friendly.

That being said, if I had to build the entire system from scratch I’d dump it for largely the same reasons you (EEng) are describing. Ignoring the citizenship context, of course a member of the US Senate and VP-elect is an “American politician”. In the cases Iri is describing, I’d actually argue fairly strongly that commonwealth nationals serving in the Parliament of the United Kingdom are British politicians even without citizenship in the UK/colonies or nationality: if they’re elected by the British public to serve in a British political body, they are a British politician regardless of nationality/citizenship issues. They might be a Canadian or Aussie or Bahamian as well, but that wouldn’t change the fact that they are also very much serving as a British politician. The question of their citizenship in such cases would be worth mentioning, but I’d see that as something to do in cases where such issues arise. Also, on the Hanna topic, I get why calling an Irish person a British politician might not be ideal, so skirting around it by not mentioning anything in the lead seems the most diplomatic way.TonyBallioni (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've wanted to ask this for a while now. But... Special:Diff/987768637. And your various other edits where you pick a time in an obscure 4,000 view video or a two-sentence quote from page 386 in some text. Is there some special bookmarking app I don't know about, or some memory pill, or what's going on here? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 03:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You mean stuff like this [46]? Believe it or not I carry it all around in my head (see right); when I was in college the dean said I was a "coal mine of information". It all started after I was struck by lightning at 5 years old. Modern science has failed to explain it. But don't worry – I am sworn to use it only for good, never for evil. EEng 06:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that certainly brings a whole new meaning to "electrical engineering"! Somehow, I envision that it hurt the lightning bolt far worse than it hurt you. (The dean, however, may have been thinking about black lung.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Further evidence for the prosecution: [47], [48]. EEng

I want to thank you more emphatically than with just a one-click "thanks" for bringing up Jarndyce and Jarndyce on ANI.[49] It made me very happy. Bishonen | tålk 15:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Glad to oblige, though I was ensnared in just such a case so my feelings are more mixed. EEng 20:27, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You might find Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Margaret Harwood amusing... —David Eppstein (talk) 21:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Harwood

Feel free to use the limerick! I might tweak it a little bit - do feel the last line could be punchier, but go with the version you like best.

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Well you do realize "suck it" resonates with a well-known earlier work. EEng 23:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

True, which is the upside.

FPs 01:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Every once in a while I'm struck by the fact that this has to be the filthiest user page on the project. EEng 04:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering if we could get away with the limerick if we made this the April 1st POTD?

FPs 11:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Smart. It might work as "truthful whimsy" -- see

Wikipedia_talk:April_Fool's_Main_Page#The_Ground_Rules. Perhaps the entirety of the text/caption for the image could be simply and only the limerick, with the link behind it taking the reader to the article. But the article needs work, really it does. I'll be happy to help but with the Harvard Archives closed it may be tough to do a good job. That's unfortunate, because my spidey sense tell me that [50], being a scrapbook by alumni, might have interesting biographical details. By the way [51][52][53][54][55]. (She apparently spent a lot of time at the beach.) EEng 13:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Here, have a sticker, funny man

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		Two years ago, I came to EEng's userpage to steal memes and replace them with pictures of Ned Kelly. Over time I realized this user is a vanguard and upholder of our most important value here: the common man's right to defy figures of authority by throwing banoffee pies at their portraits. Thank you for keeping Wikipedia sane and free. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 06:31, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And I, in turn, want to say thank you for the opportunity to learn, for the first time, of

banofee pies! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

]

This is going to slip under the radar for you

But you have relatively high visibility, at least where Wikipedia subject matter is politically sensitive. Because every change here is more or less permanent, the ship has already sailed, but I urge you to consider the fact that Wikipedia is somehow the most reliable source of consolidated information on the Internet. I get the jokes, the cynicism, the memes, all that, but you are providing an extremely transparent, highly visible profile of personal bias. The best practices for information sourcing on Wikipedia provide some protection, but they're not bulletproof. An explicitly partisan affectation by the editors undermines the mission of objective truth, and aggravates the environment in which objective truth is a matter of partisan contention. IRSpeshul (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^{( Buttinsky)} ... but your special user page also has explicitly partisan affectations: I like Firefly, classical music, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, hookah tobacco, good liquor, guns, and math. Levivich ^harass/_hound 05:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

grr, maths ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 07:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See that's the problem with these extremely transparent, highly visible profiles of personal bias: look how aggravated the environment is getting. I'm not one to get into an argument about mathism with a mathist (or, as I believe they prefer to be called, "mathematician"), but we have a lot of articles about math, and we don't want to give the impression that we tilt pro-mathian or are some kind of math-wing website. Levivich ^harass/_hound 07:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So you're just going to keep calling PR mathist when they've clearly expressed a preference for mathsist? —valereee (talk) 12:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Woe to anyone with a lisp. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree 100%. Everyone has biases. Neutral editing means putting your biases aside when editing (when editing content, anyway), not pretending you don't have any. EEng 06:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also the original comment comes off as being much like the people who say "I don't have an accent, it's only those people in [other country/other part of same country/other side of tracks in same city] who have accents". Which is to say, un-self-aware. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm automatically against anyone who implies I have biases. --A D Monroe III^(talk) 03:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Biased against them? —David Eppstein (talk) 05:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Astounding

I thought I might alert you to this. It's not a particularly exciting case, but maybe you'd find it more funny. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 21:34, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just don't stare at it for too long, lest one get conjunctivitis. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with you? Conjunctivitis is when you write a long sentence and it goes on and on and you use and and/or or a lot. EEng 07:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong and/or not right or not and right and/or write as well as wrong and/or not right or not and right and/or write in the conjunctive or if it were Led Zeppelin the way to stare at the conjunction while nonetheless a lot and see also Taumatawhakatangi­hangakoauauotamatea­turipukakapikimaunga­horonukupokaiwhen­uakitanatahu. And you can quote me on that. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I always welcome

WP:ELEVAR is also in play – saying the planets, when we could just name them, needlessly makes the reader jump through a little hoop. Take a look at what I did. EEng 07:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Fair point, and I like what you did! Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ovinus, current events divert me, but if I don't get back to Talk:PGage by, say, two weeks into the Biden administration, please ping me again. EEng 05:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Current events divert me too... looks like 2020's devilish spirit persists. I'll remind you appropriately. Ovinus (talk) 08:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edit

You're welcome --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you make jokes when the news is so serious! For those not paying attention, DFO refers to [56]. EEng 10:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And all this time I've been using a clothes dryer. Seriously, making jokes gives me a break from pontificating elsewhere. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:FBI grid of suspects wanted in 2010 US Capitol attack.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:FBI grid of suspects wanted in 2010 US Capitol attack.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. BeŻet (talk) 14:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be 2021 . . .? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Time machine [57]. EEng 20:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) A time-travel convention? When can I buy tickets? Are we taking the Delorian or the train? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the image out of curiosity, and if I were to !vote on it, which I won't, I'd say delete purely on grounds of extreme ugliness. If I were discussing people in a serious setting, I would never judge them based on what they look like, but for the purpose of my comment here, ewwww!, talk about human garbage! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cage, Gage, Shiiiit!

I don't know if you have access to Netflix, but they have a new comedy series hosted by historian Nicolas Cage, called The History of Swear Words. Episode 2, examining the topic of "Shit", includes a segment about Phineas Gage. I think it's not very accurate, but... --Tryptofish (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

H.M., eat your heart out. EEng 20:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Historian Nicholas Cage? Stealing the Declaration of Independence and discovering a secret message on the back from the Illuminati does not make one a historian. Mgasparin (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I meant it as a joke, but it appears that my skills in that regard don't amount to much online. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well for what it's worth, I think it's funny now, but when I first read your comment above (without clicking on the link), I just assumed that there must actually must be a historian with the same name. Paul August ☎ 22:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Nicolas Cage ... Phineas Gage. MORE THAN A COINCIDENCE??? EEng 00:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Dragonslayer Barnstar

		The Dragonslayer Barnstar
		I am pleased to award this barnstar to you in recognition of your glorious dragonslaying efforts. Although I actually constructed this for you years ago, I didn't award it to you at the time because I felt that it may not have been appropriate. But, in a world gone mad, I ultimately decided to follow the advice of the eminent scientist E. Lathrop Brown. Please consider this a testimonial in appreciation of your commitment to bring a bit of light and laughter to this dreary place. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply ]

(talk page stalker) As long as he's just slaying dragons and not fire-breathing lizards we are okay. If you do, 'zilla may sic a sushi on you. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some people think it's spelled sick so maybe you should write sic [sic]. EEng 02:14, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice ...

...quote. Paul August ☎ 22:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Do not laugh"

If you want to make someone not not laugh, say do not laugh. I didn't not laugh, but I did revert the change - it is possible that the editor dug up the old newspaper article and expanded the section using it, but given the context, I am suspicious. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How the guinch stole Christmas? EEng 14:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Early days

A bit of humor about encyclopedias. 😂 Atsme 💬 📧 16:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Um, can you cue us up to the relevant bit? Meanwhile, here's some other humor about encyclopedias [58]. EEng 21:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I no longer know how to speak English

I was about to actually revert you (ha!) because "an unable president" has got to be the worst of all worlds, and I was going to say in the edit summary that "unable" is an adverb not an adjective. But I looked it up, and unable is listed as an adjective, apparently in every dictionary, although some note "not before noun". This is blowing my mind. I thought "unable" always modified a verb, or acted as a "helping" verb, almost always accompanied by the preposition "to", and almost always modifying the verb "to be" (is unable to, was unable to, has been unable to...). I thought that's what an adverb was. But turns out it's an adjective, even though it never modifies a noun (The unable car? The unable tree? The unable president?). Help me. Levivich ^harass/_hound 22:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to help you, but I'm unable to. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unable? Are you sure you didn't mean disabled? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since posting this I have now learned about

predicative adjectives. Who could have predicatived it. Levivich ^harass/_hound 22:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

No prevarication. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just figured it out: disable president! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This gem I found on an article that I can't fathom actually had this on it

Happy New Year! I really feel like it belongs in an exhibit of some sort. I instantly thought of you.

Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram, the longest serving Prime Minister of Thailand

All the best, Double Plus Ungood (talk) 02:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

it's hyphen. Shocking. EEng 03:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

No u. Ur a compound adjective, EEng I actually didn't even notice the mistake. wow. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 03:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That photog should get a Pulitzer for snapping the shot just a split-second before the sniper pulled the trigger. EEng 03:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your complaint

What exactly should I stop in History of photography? You seem to be complaining about a line I wrote when I edited an article years ago. I'm not sure which article I then used, but it was from an art historian who seemed qualified enough, and was also mentioned in another wikipedia article. It was apparently not good enough for you, so you removed some content I wrote, but apparently not all. I didn't care enough to put this back or to discuss it. Your whining about this only feels like an invitation to put this back in. Let's forget whatever I used as a ref then. Is this Taylor and Francis ref good enough for you: [59]? I could also look up whatever books included this concept, but if you just intend to remove everything that doesn't agree with you, please let me know in advance.Joortje1 (talk) 13:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that the Shroud of Turin is some kind of photograph has been thoroughly debunked. Here's what an actual scientist -- an expert on the history of photography -- said about it [60]:

Such claimants tend to draw upon the wisdom of hindsight to project a distorted historical perspective, wherein their cases rest upon a particular concatenation of procedures which is exceedingly improbable; and their 'proofs' amount only to demonstrating (none too faithfully) that it was not totally impossible ... The assertion that photography was the secret production of an isolated artistic genius may offer a compelling drama to those eager for sensation, but it belittles the practice of science ...

So yeah, unless you have multiple, expert sources for this outlandish claim, I'll keep removing it. (Hint: Workers who publish their work through vanity presses don't count as scientific experts.) EEng 17:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) But how about the famous Turd of Brooklyn?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What an insult to Brooklynites! He's from Queens. Unfortunately not Flushing. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And hopefully on his way to Rikers. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now, now, Martin, no need to call him a turd. He'll be out of office once Joe Biden gets sworn in tomorrow. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, what a relief. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If I may recycle something I learned at another editor's talk page, had the US been a monarchy, this could have been a royal flush. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now a word from the guy who just fell off the stool at the end of the bar

You guys hear the one about Trump and the sheep caught in a fence? Of course you didn't because you'd actually have to interact with "working-class" regular joes in a "personal" social situation somewhere "locker room humor" and "guy talk" are "permitted" and then you'd still have to "make friends" with MEN instead of hanging out with "males" and pretend to like them! BADABING!

You males/females can surely take jokes as well as you make them, right? I'm sure you can and that means you're not liking me right now because your "jokes" are about as funny as one would expect from "jokesters" that don't even have the sack to TELL JOKES on a "talk page" despite being the "Untouchables" of the Wikipedia World. Or at least English Wikipedia, anyway. And in "talk space". And on the "largest" but yet "loneliest" talk page in the whole history of the "community".

The last place anybody really "important" and "powerful" around here will ever need much less want to be and therefore catch the little males trying to act like big men in their "locker room" where they share "jokes" via Wikimedia image files and hyperlinks to online social media like YouTube and pretend to like other "editors". Or at least other "socks".

And here you are still "joking" about an ex-president so stupid and crooked and vile and hateful and racist and everything else "intellectuals" and "academics" so "liberal" and "tolerant" and "mature" and "ethical" and "respectable" in THEIR personal lives and professional "careers" just can't STAND in a "politician" they HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TAKE THEIR EYES AND EARS AND TYPING FINGER(S) (index only, I'm guessing) and their MINDS AND "MOUTHS" off DONALD JOHN TRUMP FOR 20-25% PERCENT OF THEIR WIKIPEDIA "TENURE". Oh yes. Are you "guys" ever glad HE'S out of the "public sector". I wonder how TWITTER'S "bottom line" is liking "Biden". You know him, right? Got any good jokes about Biden beating Trump who beat Hillary who beat...Bernie Sanders yet? Better get on the Biden Bandwagon. He's your BOY!

Ah the delicious irony and no-jokes-necessary for the comedic timing and native humor of "intellectuals" and "academics" that a "generation" or two ago "grew up" (that just means got taller) and went off to "college" (and not a mile or a minute farther from Mommy and Daddy than absolutely necessary so they could still walk Junior to class the first day or at least "stop by" his dorm room...for the weekend) and plumb forgot to GO HOME pretending to hate a northeast Democrat "globalist" billionaire limousine liberal "white nationalist" lifelong New Yorker big city boy that insists on "Donald" that mopped up the floor with Hillary by going straight-up SAUL ALINSKY on the "Clinton machine" 0for "Sleepy Joe" the Blue Dog of Delaware.

And having to act "happy" about it here in the "locker room" or just ignore the unintended consequences of that laughable "Democratic" primary "election" process (minus the "caucuses" where "consensus" creates the "final count") where "winner takes all" starts and WINNING A PRIMARY ELECTION "DEMOCRATICALLY" DOES NOT GET YOUR NAME ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT UNLESS YOU HAPPEN TO "WIN THE PRIMARY" EVEN IF YOU LOST "SEVERAL STATES" AND "ELECTED OFFICIALS" AND "ELECTION OFFICIALS" AND "JOURNALISTS" CAN'T FIND "EVIDENCE" OF "ELECTION FRAUD" ANYWHERE AS/AFTER MILLIONS OF "AMERICANS" HAD/HAVE THEIR PRIMARY VOTES "COUNTED" BUT NOT "COUNT" AT ALL UNLESS THEY VOTED "BIDEN" IN THE "PRIMARY". "DISENFRANCHISING" EVERY SINGLE NON-BIDEN PRIMARY VOTER AND ALL TO "PROTECT DEMOCRACY" FROM A LAME-DUCK LIBERAL AS THE DAY IS LONG "REALITY SHOW STAR" THAT'S A HUGE THREAT TO???? WHO EXACTLY BESIDES AN IRANIAN "GENERAL" OFF THE RESERVATION TRYING TO CONDUCT A "COUP" AND MILITARY "INSURRECTION" IN "WMD-FREE" IRAQ DID "TRUMP" POSE AN "EXISTENTIAL THREAT" TO AS PRESIDENT AGAIN?

I'm sorry. I got serious during "happy hour" and started "yelling" posting in "all caps" and we all know where and when that sort of communication stared being described as "offensive" and even "hate speech".

I wonder if "young people" on college campuses see the "irony" in being "taught" that all caps on a screen where the "hate speech" gets erased every time an "app" is closed is YELLING and that YELLING is BULLYING and BULLYING is VIOLENCE while actually yelling and screaming inches from and straight into a stranger's face "on the street" without knowing a thing about him or her except that he or she is facing them and therefore MUST be on the "other side" is just "free speech" and "peaceful protest" and "civil unrest".

Got any mpegs or jpegs or pithy little witticisms or better yet some double entendres or personal anecdotes or "tongue in cheek" references to historical events "analogous" to something you'd "like" to see happen to "Trump" or maybe "the right" as a whole?

Or are you saving those for "Harris"?

I sure hope you folks do all your Wikipedia "volunteer work" on your own time, internet-enabled devices and internet access and have the receipts in your names - in the real world names - to prove it and don't live in "public housing" and never, ever take your paid job "work" home with you or your "charity" home "work" to your "workplace(s)" with you. Cause I got a feeling your "jokes" get much worse and and a lot more "graphic" and the "images" don't exist online or at least on the "light web" to make them "sight gags" and I don't think you have any of the necessary resources to "Hillary" your way out of public records requests that won't and can't be made so that records requested are "responsive" unless the lparty "requesting" them knows knows what is there to "respond" so the right "request" is made.

Ever heard of "Jeopardy"? Ever wonder why anyone would name a "quiz show" that forces the contestant to do all the talking "under duress" would be called "Jeopardy" and have most "duress" and the highest "paydays" - potentially - by far? And a 50/50 "chance" of "losing it all" on the final question "bonus round" going in as the "leader"?

Probably because they had experience with subpoenas, grand juries, discovery, the "hot seat" etc. And "personal communications" on "public property" including devices without "paper trails" that still produce "public records". And the "documentation" that they are "work-related".

Remember old Sleepy Joe xoesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor, too.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuckslur (talk • contribs) 14:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Mittens

So ... have we got enough sources to write

Bernie Sanders mittens photograph yet? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

The cat and his kittens

They put on their mittens,

To eat a POTUS pie.

The poor little kittens

They lost their mittens,

And then they began to cry.

Mother Goose123 (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And lo, it was DYKed.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:26, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Million Low Club

Could I be the first to congratulate you on creating a Talk page that's over a million bytes long? To be precise... 1,000,290 bytes!! Wow. Nice work. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll save my praise until the page reaches 1 MB (1,048,576 bytes). Mixing decimal and binary units is highly distasteful. You end up having to use words like "mebibyte". *shudders* nagualdesign 01:28, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You got Something

		The Signpost Barnstar
		for Dr. Seuss's Guide to Wikipedia. Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:24, 4 February 2021 (UTC) ]])[reply]

Uncivil comments

I am sad to write that today when asked by an uninvolved editor to review this dispute, I unfortunately noticed some problematic comments on Talk:Joe_Biden/Archive_14#Infobox.

So, do you actually believe that it's not possible to find a published reliable source for Biden's chairmanships and so on, or are you just being difficult? EEng 13:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

In attacking the personal motivation of another editor, this does not

WP:UNSOURCED

says that the burden of adding sources is on editors who want material added. Surtsicna has no obligation to lift a finger to find a reliable source, and whether they believe that task will be easy, hard, or impossible, the requirement for editors who want the material added to provide sources remains. These dates are not obvious or well-known facts, and this type of information often needs correcting by fact checkers, so that challenge is completely legitimate, even if that editor would also prefer the material be removed for other reasons. The above response only serves to antagonize the other editor, making them less likely to contribute to the project in the future, less likely to be agreeable to your suggestions, less likely to help you, more likely to respond in an negative and unproductive way, less able to think clearly, and more likely to prolong your dispute. More productive responses in this context include:

• Providing the requested sources, which you actually did the next day after another go-round.
• Agreeing that the challenged material should be removed.
• Asking for more time to find the requested sources; Surtsicna was willing to leave the material in place with citation-needed tags in the meantime.
• Proposing that different text be added.
• Saying nothing, which would be far better than responding with a personal attack.

To be blunt, seriously believing that there aren't complete and definitive sources for the chairmanships of Senate committees brings into serious question your competence to edit this article. Seriously. Did you even try? [35] EEng 05:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Given that the sources provided by another editor failed to verify the challenged material, a reasonable inference is that it might be hard to find such a source. (Though that did not turn out to be true in the end.) As I pointed out earlier, Surtsicna had no obligation to try to find such a source, and it is unfair to conclude that failing to identify the requested sources when that burden does not fall on this editor is a demonstration that this editor lacks the skill to do so. There isn't even a requirement that editors who do the useful work of challenging unreferenced, unobvious material have any familiarity with sources relevant to a topic. Attacking the competence or intelligence of another editor in this way is unacceptable. Productive responses to errors by other editors include fixing partial errors, reverting large errors, politely pointing out mistakes on talk pages, and allowing that even the most brilliant people make mistakes sometimes. If an editor is chronically and grossly incompetent, eventually it will be worth discussing that as a problem, but not until these more productive responses have not worked, and not in an uncivil fashion. Verbal abuse is not a productive way to notify volunteers about their mistakes, and verbally abusing a volunteer over a mistake they haven't even made, which is what happened here, is even more demoralizing.

I'm considering pinning a little box to the top of this page: "It has been X hours since Surtsicna falsely claimed that everything in an infobox needs to be in the article as well." EEng 15:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

This is another unacceptable comment which is snarkily attacking another editor. Assuming good faith on the part of two editors who have completely opposite interpretations of a guideline leads me to conclude that either one has made an honest error, the guideline is unclear, or there is some other complexity yet to be uncovered. A productive, AGF response might be to quote the part of the policy you are relying on, explain your logic, and ask the other editor if you are missing anything. Another AGF response might be to ask the other editor to quote the part of the policy they are relying on, or to clarify their reasoning if they have already quoted. In this case, if you had done either, I think you would have found that

WP:INFOBOXREF

(which you quoted) encourages that but implies that there will also be some cases where editors do legitimately decide to include facts in the infobox but not the article. Instead of identifying this contradiction and bringing it to the attention of other editors for resolution, your response instead demoralized an editor who is being productive and trying to build consensus and improve the reader experience, whether or not you or I agree with that editor's suggestions.

(added) I should also note that one of your comments cites

WP:CIRNOT

not to label someone as incompetent, as this is a personal attack.

I hope that in the future instead of tearing into other editors, you can express disagreement in a more productive and civil manner. I hope that you will use the "assume good faith" guideline as a reason to stop and calmly consider the possible legitimate reasons for an editor's actions, including miscommunication and that you yourself might not have a complete picture. I usually find the latter is true for myself. You are clearly a smart person and like the rest of the community of volunteers I'm trying to keep motivated, have many valuable contributions yet to make. Thanks for reading, Beland (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I have popcorn, will share. -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 07:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Mmm... Salty. Thanks, Roxy. nagualdesign 09:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Think of your blood pressure. EEng 17:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh dear. All of those examples look relatively polite for EEng. Poor Surtsicna, must feel crushed? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Beland, I'm sad you wrote too. Mostly TLDR, but in passing:
  • I think you would have found that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes has two sections which say different things about the disputed question – No, actually,I would not have found that, as you yourself discovered after posting here (see [61]), although you strangely omitted to return here to post the traditional Oops! My bad! Maybe next time you should more carefully consider that you yourself might not have a complete picture.
  • Surtsicna was told over and over and over and over and over, with links to the guideline and/or quoting it, that not everything in an infobox needs to be in the article. Nonetheless he or she stubbornly insisted on repeating that idea. And repeating it. And repeating it (in multiple threads, as I recall). AGF doesn't require us to close our eyes to what is obviously either a CIR failure or just plain willful blindness.
  • My comments about the chairmanships weren't about whether sources were in the article, but rather whether they exist at all. Surtsicna said I do seriously believe it is not possible to find published reliable sources about all these people preceding or succeeding Joe Biden in the given date ranges, and I said (yes) To be blunt, seriously believing that there aren't complete and definitive sources for the chairmanships of Senate committees brings into serious question your competence to edit this article, because that's true. And, frankly, if you can't see how absurd it is to imagine that there aren't definitive sources for Senate chairmanships, then you aren't competent to be sticking your nose into this matter. Really.
  • specifically says in WP:CIRNOT not to label someone as incompetent – No, it says it's generally inadvisable to call a person incompetent. I applied my judgment. And look! It worked: [62]! Too bad S., like you, was unable to bring himself/herself to come out and say, "Oh, now I see. I guess you were right. Sorry I didn't read more carefully."

Surticna's wasted a lot of editor time. You're on your way to doing the same. EEng 17:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I had a "CIR failure" once. But it turned out I had just been pigging out on salty popcorn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where in the world do you get this stuff????

I find an encyclopaedia always comes in handy. Little Brown (Jug) 123 (talk) 11:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Certified a load of old bollocks

You are correct that I misread

MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE; perhaps Surtsicna and I made the same mistake. I didn't mention that here because I wanted to read your response first. As you can see, Bondegezou used a productive technique to resolve the disagreement over the interpretation of that section, by quoting the part that I had missed. This resulted in two improvements to the section; I clarified the sentence I had been relying on, and RexxS noticed that one of the examples was outdated and updated it. The suggestions I made above include conversational techniques that I hope would have helped you and Surtsicna resolve your disagreement more quickly, if you are concerned about not wasting time, and would have entirely avoided this one. Frankly, I'm more concerned about the editor time we are losing when editors are uncivil to each other and some of them stop editing entirely. My concern is not about who is right or wrong, as you were clearly correct in your interpretation of this guideline, for example. I am much more concerned with your language and your treatment of other editors. In response to this complaint, you might have said nothing, or you might have defended the correctness of your position without implicating matters of civility, or you might have apologized for your words and promised to be more civil in the future. Instead, you have demonstrated that you aren't interested in adopting more productive conflict-resolution techniques, especially when you defended your behavior as having been effective, and labelled yet another editor as incompetent. Given your continued incivility, and because you have been blocked for disruptive editing before, you are blocked from editing for one week. Please reconsider your commitment to civil discourse. -- Beland (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

That's the dumbest decision I've seen for a while. Shame on you, Beland. Feel free to block me too. I've had quite enough popcorn for the time being. nagualdesign 21:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Purely punitive. Tsk. Blocking user should be admonished. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng, I've just advocated against this block at Beland's talk page and at AN. Now I'm going to say to you: please be nicer to people who are being dimwitted, as the person at the Biden talkpage was being. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More blocks for your collection

You are, yet again, the recipient of a WTF Block‼️⁉️

Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid? Well, now that you're mature an adult, you can collect blocks with adult letters. They're not only stackable, they're reusable. I swar!! Can't I leave you alone even for a minute without you getting in trouble with the Wiki police!? Memories of our past replaced by decades of, uhm... misunderstandings? Atsme 💬 📧 03:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC) Disclaimer: Intended as humor. Pure pun-ishment. [63][reply]

"Blocked Talk Page?? Easy.... just call DynoProd!" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Intent to unblock. Thank you. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocked

Hi EEng, I’ve unblocked you per the thread linked above. Hope you have a good week ahead. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Common sense prevails. nagualdesign 22:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Shucks. Anyone need any of this 8 pounds of popcorn I got leftover?? Enjoy, pop-(corn)-pickers!!. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• For the record the AN discussion is here [64]. The closing summary reads, in part: EEng has been unblocked by overwhelming consensus, Beland is reminded of the dangers and standards of adminship as well as the nature of blocks. Whether that admonishment sank in is open to question, though [65]. The alert reader, on encountering an admin who deletes uncomplimentary messages without archiving them [66], might wonder what else is being hidden. EEng 08:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, I do accept the unblock and the reason for it. I have always deleted all my incoming user talk page messages without archiving when I'm done with them, except for the compliments. So you might say everything is being hidden, or nothing...as it used to say there, if anyone cares they can look in the page history. -- Beland (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  The question isn't whether you accept the unblock and the reason for it; you don't have a choice since the score at AN was Endorse block – 0, Overturn egregiously wrongheaded block and severely trout the admin who imposed it – 20. The question is whether you'll be able to adhere to the standards of adminship as well as the nature of blocks in the future; time will tell, I guess.

  As for not archiving your talk page, well, I have always deleted all my incoming user talk page messages without archiving when I'm done with them, except for the compliments (italcis added) is nothing like everything is being hidden, or nothing – rather, it's I feature the good stuff and hide the bad. One of the reasons I delay archiving is to dramatize that I fear no scrutiny. You are, of course, joking in your implication that look in the page history is any kind of effective way to find and review past threads. EEng 02:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, and I also "hide" the neutral and the boring. The compliments are mostly for myself, to keep motivated when I'm having a bad day. I was inspired by the famous line, "Keep your old love letters, throw away your old bank statements", which used to be quoted on my user talk page. Back in the day before pings, I would actually move conversations to the talk page of the other person so all of it would be in one place and they would get notified about my reply. That would leave nothing on my talk page to archive in some cases. I guess looking through the page history is more annoying than reading archives, but when I started doing it I didn't imagine anyone would actually care about old messages about article updates and bots and Wikiprojects and editing mistakes. If you're saying distant-past-me was planning ahead so if someone said something bad about my rarely used admin powers in ten years I'd be able to delete it and make it harder to find, OK. If I'm making myself look better by doing this, then well, great. Who doesn't like to look better. It sounds like you're angry at me, and I can see why you would want to try to trash the reputation of someone who makes you angry. I applaud your embrace of transparency, though personally I find this page unmanageably long.

  You previously wrote: even when the truth is rubbed in your face over and over, and even after a score of editors vociferously denounce your judgment as completely out of calibration, you're either incapable of absorbing it or just can't bring yourself to acknowledge it. You seem to have been expecting a personal message from me saying "oh hey, I messed up, sorry" or something. It's not something that's really required to resolve this case; the block has been reversed and admonishment has been delivered to everyone that needed one, including me. I do see why the overturn was in line with Wikipedia policy, though there also seems to be consensus that the existing system has not resulted in a culture of satisfactory civility. Not saying my solution is better. Though I've never seen the district judge apologize to a defendant when an appeals court overturns a sentence, sure, here in a less formal setting someone might do that anyway just to be friendly. With due respect, in this case, your past hurtful insults and continued insulting tone make it extremely difficult to feel a desire to be friendly and go out of my way to say nice things, though I remain committed to being civil and not unfriendly. Though I don't expect much more than to be insulted for having said even this, I bring it up in the hope that in the future it will help you more accurately understand interactions with other people, and as an example of how gratuitous incivility has negative consequences. -- Beland (talk) 04:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you never post anything under 1000 words?

  • If you're saying distant-past-me was planning ahead so if someone said something bad about my rarely used admin powers in ten years I'd be able to delete it and make it harder to find, OK – No, I'm saying today-you doesn't care about transparency, whether in your administrative work or general editing.
  • admonishment has been delivered to everyone that needed one, including me – Actually only you.
  • It sounds like you're angry at me – Not in the slightest. You've provided amusement to the masses while contributing a beautiful illustration of my longstanding thesis that 97% of admins do important work in return for little recognition, while the other 3% are simply bossy, preachy, hypocritical, and/or just plain out of their depth. It is interesting to note how densely my block log (which – I guess I need to point out since you seem unable to read a block log – consists largely of overturned blocks and a joke block) is studded with the names of admins who are no longer admins – something you might want to think about.
  • You seem to have been expecting a personal message from me saying "oh hey, I messed up, sorry" or something. It's not something that's really required to resolve this case – And therein lies the difference between us. When someone else is screwing up, I try to tell them so in terms matched to where they're coming from, the history of their receptiveness, and so on; and when I screw up – if I've caused trouble or inconvenience – I apologize. That's civility far more than your prissy parsing of posts for forbidden words and phrases. You, on the other hand, are so committed to your empty, formal civility that you can't even bring yourself to hurt your own feelings by acknowledging your mistakes.
  • help you more accurately understand interactions with other people – I require no advice from you on how to win friends and influence people. You stick to gnoming character codes and let us adults police our own interactions.

  EEng 17:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  how to win friends and influence people A reference to

  the book? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Nah. Another work of art, surely. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Brainstorming for a contemplated TV ad (contributions gratefully accepted -- feel free to edit directly)

Inspired by [67]. With enough material an amusing essay may be possible.

"The blather control aisle – so embarrassing! If you're a Wikipedia editor struggling with incompetence issues, now there's a better way. We home-deliver blather control products directly to you in plain, unmarked boxes ..."

...directly to your user page in plain unmarked mboxes... davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the spirit! But mboxes might be too hackerish. Maybe plain unmarked userboxes? EEng 05:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The blather control aisle – so embarrassing! If you're a Wikipedia editor struggling with incompetence issues, now there's a better way. We home-deliver blather control products directly to you in plain, unmarked userboxes. Or, if other editors complain you're full of hot air ..."

See also the discussion of "piss off", below. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You are not alone. This problem has a name:

WP:MOP." --Tryptofish (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

"But now there's help: WP:Authority control." --Tryptofish (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• <rubs hands gleefully> Now we're really getting somewhere. And to think I worried this might just poop out. Perhaps we're moving in the direction of something like User:EEng#Computer porn. EEng 22:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, I just couldn't control myself. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, just remember: Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. EEng 03:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  At this point, I'll admit to feeling a bit drained. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Although... that probably depends. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• In breaking news,
  WP:WASTE. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• (Courtesy Martinevans123) Related potential ad: Tripe Advisor. EEng 21:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Was the north facing photo talk page closed to prevent people from hurting my feelings, in part?

Your comments on Cullen's talk page sounded kind, so I thought I might try to talk with you. It seems that Magnolia677 had been being ironic when he said he liked the idea. If so, I totally fell for it. I would like to talk with Cullen to ask him why he (if it was him)closed the discussion (I thought it was productive), but I'm not sure whether he would welcome that. What do you think? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NONEEDNORULE. We like to give editors who are working on a given article as much freedom as possible to fashion the article according to what they think will best serve the reader's understanding; to go against that that -- to make a rule saying that all X must be Y -- there needs to be a really good reason. You weren't understanding what other editors were telling you, and when that goes on for a while people begin to feel their time is being wasted, and then comments can turn harsh. It can be very disheartening to be on the receiving end of that, and and since you're a new editor I wanted to help avoid it. My advice is that you spend a year doing the everyday work that is Wikipedia's lifeblood: fixing errors, adding content, locating sources, participating in article talk-page discussions about directions to take the article. After that start looking around behind the scenes at guideline and policy pages. Good luck, and happy editing! EEng 22:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I'm sorry if I am not as humorous as you would like in this post. I went to the Help Desk to ask where I should post my idea and one of the suggestions was to post it in MOS, which I did. Then someone suggested moving it to the MOS for images, and I authorized that. I did not authorize the change in the title, and that made my proposal look much more extreme and finalized than it had. I don't think I did anything bold, let alone wrong. I just followed the instructions I was given at the Help Desk.

I was perhaps helped by your remark about 'behind the scenes'. It seems like I was sent to something like a supreme court of Wikipedia. I read that article about 'no need, no rule' as well as several that it linked to. I learned a lot, and not just about Wikipedia, but also about why a supreme court might refuse to hear a case, which had previously puzzled me.

I finally got Magnolia677's pun, on the tenth reading or so. A paling is also a post. Clever. I find it all the more puzzling that someone that intelligent would fail to at least find my idea interesting.

Another thing I learned is what it must be like to get an unnecessarily harsh rejection letter from a publisher. Arctic Gazelle (talk) 00:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted." EEng 02:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#Facing north should be preferred is one of the best-illustrated threads of the year. Levivich ^harass/_hound 20:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it was me who closed that discussion, which is why it has my signature. The reason that I did so is that the chance of your proposal being accepted is zero, and it is a waste of time to keep discussing it, Arctic Gazelle. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As an amateur photographer, I feel the best orientation for a picture is the one with the most favorable lighting. Generally, this means with the sun at my back and always with the sun not blazing into my lens. Of the thousands of photos I've shot, less than a dozen indicate a direction in the name or comments. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Was it a completely new idea? Have you seen the idea before? Has it been discussed and rejected before? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe seen before here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmZzGxGpSs —David Eppstein (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it...but it makes wonder how you knew about that cartoon, David. Atsme 💬 📧 16:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he was one of the 38 people who read Dr. Seuss's Guide to Wikipedia. EEng 16:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was hoping he'd admit it without any coaxing, which would provide a bit of ego stroking for those of you who worked so hard putting that presentation together. I mean, seriously...someone the caliber of David reading Dr. Seuss because of the work you & Levivich invested...well, it speaks volumes about your talent!! You deserve a stroke or two. (don't look a gift horse in the mouth). Atsme 💬 📧 20:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but the real answer is "from having had kids". —David Eppstein (talk) 06:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Arctic Gazelle: While I honestly don't intend to be mean, it was, frankly, a really dumb idea, and if I were you I wouldn't harp on it any more, lest you attract unwanted attention from people looking for presumed troublemakers. Perhaps it wasn't intended to be quite as dumb as it sounded, and you meant to propose something different than what you proposed, but it is indistinguishable from trolling. It's "we should start every article with the letter Q"-level silly. We wouldn't discuss that for long just because it's a completely new idea, no one's seen it before, and it hasn't been discussed and rejected before. It is not important for 99.99999999% of readers (I'll assume good faith and say that 0.00000001% is you) to know whether Kasparov was facing N, S, E, or W. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You sure know how to greatly intimidate someone safely. I learned a lot from you. Thanks for that. I am puzzled that someone so intelligent would not find my idea interesting.

Maybe you are right (I could take it as a compliment) that I am the only one who would care which way Kasparov was facing during a chess match. But I would suggest that if that is true it is because others have not spent years thinking about visualization and it's role in understanding and memory.

Also, I wonder what percentage of people would be grateful if they were to read that Kasparov was facing due east, or whatever the direction was? Conversely, how many people lay awake at night worrying about the fact that there was no encyclopedia that anyone can edit, before Wikipedia came into existence?

My original title for the proposal was only that orientation of photographs should be made known somehow to the reader. That surely is not all that absurd? Arctic Gazelle (talk) 00:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's a feng shui thing? EEng 16:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let you know. Pass me those crampons, would you? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon my ignorance, but is a crampon a tampon for when you have cramps? That's the only thing I can think of. EEng 16:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quite possibly. Lighting is crucial. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds very uncomfortable! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no! Now we've got an earworm to go with this semantic wormhole!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but some of us are desperate to know if Deep Blue was facing Leicester. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now. Where sheep're concerned, the question is really was Harold flying into the wind. Very important at take-off. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How did we go from crampons to Monty and even further backward to Orville & Wilbur? They aren't the only ones who were high fliers considering this monumental moment in time. Atsme 💬 📧 20:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that they're the right brothers? In any case, I've brought the popcorn. (Just don't pig out on it!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did someone mention Orville?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But we've had more than enough about The Donald! To the point that it's driving me daffy! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At least it's not driving you Taffy. Some of us are historically north facing. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could have been worse

It could have said: "He was posthumously awarded the

Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy

(1890–1995) as the eldest of nine children."

I just re-read that, it sounds even creepier the second time around. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For those playing along at home, the reference is to [68]

I had a momentary lull in my day

So what better time to make use of it than on a Friday when WP is relatively quiet? I made us a little something to add to our dramah artillery. Atsme 💬 📧 18:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• [69] EEng 19:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice, but any chance of putting a white outline around the lettering to make it more legible? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll see what I can do. Atsme 💬 📧 19:44, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Y - refresh the page, if you have an ample amount of spare time. 😊 Atsme 💬 📧 20:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Much better. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is Bonaire in the (hand)-Grenadines? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, grenadine can be an ingredient in many a momentary lull. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:OVERLINK

Quick straw poll, does

MOS:OVERLINK in your opinion discourage wikilinking reissue in articles? (Context here). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:26, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

PS: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#EEng's talk page size. Maybe I'm having a bad day but if I'm struggling to write the above sentence without my browser timing out, I think we at least should discuss it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page reissue for radical repackaging reasons required? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]

I'm happy to set up archiving on this talk to match mine, which is : threads are archived 21 days past the last comment, individual archives have a maximum size of 70K, no archiving takes place until there are more than 10 threads on the page. As I said on the other thread, it's not a question of "getting off your back" as just that I can't read this page on my phone and feel somewhat left out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie, you know I like you very much, but I think you are having a bad day. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the (now closed) ANI thread I was surprised that this talk page crashes an iPhone. I thought they were supposed to be good. I'm using an old HTC One running Android 5 (circa 2014) and it loads without any issues. Same goes for my ~12-year-old laptop. nagualdesign 21:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am half expecting an admin to just

jump in, archive the talk page, which would then trigger a revert and a complaint from EEng, which would then lead to EEng being blocked. That's how this usually works, right?--WaltCip-(talk) 21:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Admin misapplies WP:BOLD, ends up banning editor.

Sounds about right. nagualdesign 22:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Indef Threesie now, I say. And cut out the middleman. Block 'em up, I say... it's the only wiki language these Admins understand!! COVID-19 cab driver123 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Not an admin but if the talk page archiving is really an urgent issue (and one doesn't want to just take the lazy {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}}) and if we want to avoid a test case for the suggested desysop policy I'll volunteer my poor self: can't be much worse than waiting 6 months for... :) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I keep wondering if the slow loading times aren't really a symptom that something's wrong with how the server processes the wikitext before sending it to the browser, or in how the browser scripting for wiki edit windows work, or something like that. These files really aren't that large, by modern internet standards. So why are not-that-large files so noticeably slow? It would be more helpful to track down and fix the slowdown than to keep complaining that everything's too slow and making people work around it by moving their messages to inconvenient archives. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good point on the technical issues. But removing old discussions and moving them elsewhere also has the benefit of helping keep track of which matters are current and which ones have been resolved. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's for EEng to decide how to organize his old talk archives and which ones he thinks are worth keeping on the current page. Listing reasons why you think he should do it a certain way is, at this point, kind of pointless. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Late to the party, again

I frequent DGG's talk page as well as EEng's talk page. I enjoy both—usually, but not always—for different reasons. Both show an amazing amount of patience and forbearance (in different ways). I have no problem with length at either tp—perhaps because I use an iPad most of the time; I'll likely never buy an iPhone again—the iPad is so much cheaper and more useful. As far as possible bandwidth issues, perhaps it would be possible to add anchor points in the talk pages and index the points on the user page. On the other hand I always carry a camera bag that easily accommodates an iPad in a slot.

I find talk pages that are archived every day or two much more problematic, or worse, just blanked that often. — Neonorange (Phil) 05:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I thought the table of contents does that. But perhaps you mean chronological points by month or year in addition which would lead to the start of a group of sections? --it might make sense for the most recent month or two--this is the first time I've heard this suggested, and I am going to try it tomorrow. DGG ( talk ) 07:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But my talk p. just worked fine on my iphone xr, --but that's using my 50 MB home wifi and being 10 feet from the access point. instantaneous access to the table of contents and then to each section. DGG ( talk ) 07:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I just want to say that I like how you spend time on the project instead of archiving your talkpage. [FBDB] -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well I feel it's the least I can to do make up for all the man-hours lost to the project because of editors sitting waiting for my talk page to load. EEng 23:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"fo shizzle ma dizzle". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	For the invaluable technical contribution of "archiving your talk page" SubjectiveNotability a GN franchise (talk to the boss) 13:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay!! Maureen O'Hara's got nothing on you, EEng. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is very disruptive, I'm very upset. The large amount of archiving resulted in a large number of changes on my watchlist. As a result, my watchlist suffered a severe outbreak of hives.^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 16:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haiku bot

First of all: holy shit the page loaded in under ten seconds! All right! :-D

But more importantly, you'll recall the ANI haikus of years past. Today, I learned that there's a bot on reddit called "haikusbot" that goes around detecting haikus in other people's comments and pointing them out. I was reading this /r/madden thread (don't judge) [70] and someone wrote:

Did they fix this game, or is it the same trash they shit out every year?

...and the bot posted:

Did they fix this game,
Or is it the same trash they
Shit out every year?
- haterrage
I detect haikus. Sometimes, successfully. Learn more about me

What a brilliant use of technology! Wikipedia needs this. ANI needs this. Levivich ^harass/_hound 16:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop

Preliminary note: The Curator offers this quotation (from the NYT via our colleague Crossroads) as the key to understanding the events in this thread:

Mr. Pegler [a trans man] specified that his beef is not with gender-neutral neopronouns. He felt like elevating objects and animals to human pronoun levels was dismissive. "I couldn’t stomach why anyone would want to identify as an object?" Mr. Pegler wrote in an Instagram direct message. "They dehumanize us as trans people," he added. "We are people! Not objects or animals. So that’s why I stated that they are out of hand, because they make us look like a bit of a joke."

(So far no outrage from animal rights activists condemning Mr. Pegler for his vicous and hateful speciesism.) EEng 14:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, that's just beefism pure and simple! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC) [reply]

This, too. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop denigrating Lonsdale and those who use neopronouns. I understand that you don't like the pronoun, nor believe it is a genuine preference, but this is becoming cruel. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our visitor, an otherwise very sensible and respected admin and former arb, refers to a discussion of the idea that tree is a pronoun -- links below.

I'm not denigrating anyone. I am trying to give a short, sharp shock to editors somehow unable to see through the fey pretension of [71] -- (talk page stalker)s may enjoy reviewing WT:Manual_of_Style/Archive_221#When_the_preferred_pronoun_is_not_a_pronoun and [72], EEng 06:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You'd think someone who so constantly is having to defend that everyone else work around their Comedic Interjections into discussions they personally find dull and demanding idiosyncratic exceptions be made for them (I had more than enough time to add a couple five dollar words here when scrolling to the bottom of your internet replication of a Hoarders episode here) would have the self awareness to not describe anyone else as having "fey pretensions," but life is, as always, a true surprise. Parabolist (talk) 06:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Parabolist, as I live and breathe! How the hell are you? I'm not against fey pretension; I'm against people refusing to recognize it for what it is and insisting articles be based on it. EEng 07:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understand this has become a little more stressful and strenuous, what with the Troubles below, but I'd like to set all that aside and respond honestly to you here, man. Despite going in on you a bit last night, I want you to know this comes from a place within spitting distance of the heart, and all. But whenever someone comes to me and says, in whatever fun or polite they want to, 'hey, stop being an asshole,' I've learned to just...stop being an asshole. Even when I absolutely wasn't being one. Doubling down when you should be cashing out is the way into the gutter, and all. And so, what struck me last night into saying something was seeing someone come to you in the most polite fashion, asking you to just cool your jets, and getting a full blast of unleaded kerosene in return. Putting your comment back in the way you did, with the edits you did, I find it hard to believe you didn't know you were being kind of an asshole. Which, whatever, who isn't sometimes? But come by it honestly, I think. Anyway, sorry if this hits you in a bad mood, as you might rightfully be in one. Being blocked is never fun. Just sleep on it. Parabolist (talk) 07:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I missed this until now. I appreciate that you took the time. EEng 04:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This, and my attempts to deescalate at Talk:Keiynan Lonsdale, were my attempts to avoid ANI. But since you have insisted: There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is EEng ridiculing a BLP who uses neopronouns. Thank you. GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GorillaWarfare: Do you have any reliable sources indicating that the BLP has used neopronouns outside of that one statement in 2018? (The one where he said, "At the end of the day, everyone’s a tree. I want to call my friends 'tree' and me 'tree' and everyone 'tree.'") If not, you may be on the wrong side of BLP yourself in stating that the BLP "uses neopronous" (present tense) as you did in that AN/I header. ~Awilley (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 2018 source is the most recent I'm aware of where Lonsdale has discussed pronouns. I can add "may" to the header if you're concerned. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That seems prudent. I had thought of doing something like that myself, but didn't want to cause drama. I was thinking of the bad press Wikipedia could get if we were the ones falsely stating that someone uses alternate pronouns when they don't. (And looking at some of the sources people are bringing at AN/I that seems likely.) ~Awilley (talk) 22:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which appears to be exactly what EEng meant by "Scenario 4". sigh... nagualdesign 23:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

I have blocked you for a week in relation to this ANI thread. While the point you are making may have some validity, making it by insulting and denigrating the subject of a BLP is not acceptable. You have been around long enough to know this. Restoring such comments after they were removed by an admin as BLP violations, and after you were (very politely, I might add) asked to stop is doubly unacceptable and that in particular is the reason for this block. The duration takes into account your familiarity with the relevant polices and your previous block log. You may of course appeal this action by using the {{unblock}} template or by asking for your comments to be copied over to ANI. Regards, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, for the record:

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called

page-specific restrictions

, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the

guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here

. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

And in case it was needed, I remind you that BLP applies regardless of the namespace. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While we're here, might as well also add:

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called

page-specific restrictions

, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the

guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here

. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You know, the bit about It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date is kind of hard to take at face value when delivered immediately following a block. ^{SubjectiveNotability} _{a GN franchise} (talk to the boss) 14:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen silly blocks, but taking the piss out of a bloke who wants to be called "tree" seems spot on. Well done, I lolled a lot. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good heavens. Some of my best friends are trees. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am a tree. video. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 15:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is conifer erasure! EvergreenFir (talk) 16:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, Roxy! No!. This is just getting worse. Taking the piss out of other editors was more than bad enough. Taking it out of a BLP subject is just too muc. And there is no way to accept or condone it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But yes. Taking the piss out of somebody that wants to be called tree is fine. Good grief. He's a bloke. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 15:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever one may think about such a person, we all are still required to adhere to BLP policy. Paul August ☎ 15:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, Roxy, taking the piss out of the real, living subject of a Wikipedia article, on the talk page of the article, is not fine. It's not what Wikipedia is about and it risks bringing Wikipedia into disrepute. Feel free to take the piss out of ideas, in general terms, so far as is within the project scope, or out of whatever you like on some other corner of the Internet. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Except taking the piss out of the real, living subject of a Wikipedia article, on the talk page of the article is not what I was doing, and your comment shows you didn't actually read the discussion on the article's talk page and the earlier ones linked from it. What I was doing was taking the piss out of the people who actually believe Lonsdale wants to be called tree, when (as is perfectly obvious) he has no such desire; I point out for the millionth time that Lonsdale's own PR firm continues to refer to him as he [73]. Floquenbeam has it spot on:

treating a request for everyone to use the pronoun "tree" the same as we treat a request to use xe/xem/xyr or similar makes it easier for people to think the mocking attitude of the essay was reasonable. Thinking that using "tree" as a pronoun is dumb is not in the same category as the attitude expressed in the essay. I read the subject's "tree" quote as a kind of philosophical "imagine there's no heaven" kind of statement, not as a genuine request that this pronoun be used. It's fine if people want to interpret it as an actual request, and reword the article to avoid pronouns altogether, as long as we don't actually use "tree" in the article. But I don't think criticizing that is nearly in the same ballpark. IMHO, there was no need for EEng continuing to beat that objection to death, and there was no need for GW to keep it alive, so to speak, by over-reacting to it, and there was no need for a block.

There's definitely a place (though not on WP) for discussion about whether there's liberation value in a thoughtful campaign to get people to understand and use xe/xem/xyr – very much like the movement to bring Ms. into common use 50 years ago. Such a consciousness-raising campaign around a considered addition to the language is completely different from random individuals picking random words to be their "pronouns". If people want to do that, that's not my business. If other people want to invest their mental energy in referring to their friends by tree or bunny pronouns [74], that's also not my business. But when people show up at Wikipedia insisting that articles refer to people that way, that is my business, and I'm going to say something about it.

I wasn't denigrating Lonsdale for any choice of pronouns, because it's patently obvious that he made no such choice; my disdain is for those who keep insisting that we actually refer to Lonsdale as tree in his article when (as linked at the start of this post) Lonsdale himself doesn't do that. But we have editors so focused on falling all over themselves in the RIGHTGREATWRONGS department that they can't see the forest for the, um, trees.

EEng 16:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

making a point at the subject's expense. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

HJ Mitchell, I care little about being blocked, as most people know, since it's one of the hazards of the job. But I do care about having my words and actions misrepresented, and I'm getting pretty fucking sick and tired of your continuing to say that my, er, criticism was directed at the subject of the article. As now repeatedly requested, please read the thread at [75] get back to me. And I guess it wasn't obvious, but yes please to copy my post above to the ANI thread. EEng 19:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COI? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Ritchie333, I'm disappointed in the comparison. Johnson is a household name and a national politician whose policies have been widely criticised, and who has got to the position he holds by playing the "court jester". While calling him a "nincompoop" on Wikipedia is not entirely appropriate, nobody is likely to be offended by it. It's a lot milder than how I might describe him in the pub when those finally reopen. Describing the way somebody refers to themselves as "lunacy" on a BLP talk page is clearly inappropriate and liable to cause unnecessary offence. EEng knows this. Restoring it after this is pointed out to them is doubly inappropriate. EEng knows this as well. The block is lenient with all things considered, and for just about any other editor would the inevitable consequence of restoring a BLP violation after being asked to stop. He's lucky I didn't spend more than a couple of minutes looking for evidence of "awareness" or this would be a discretionary sanction, probably accompanied by a topic ban. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the heart of the issue here is not so much that the comment was restored on Talk:Keiynan Lonsdale, as to how it was done, with inflammatory comments faux struck-out and replaced, as opposed to just rewriting the comment to be less disruptive. To me, that reads in the same manner as a child being asked to apologise and doing so in a sarcastic manner eg: "You called her stupid. Apologise." / "I'm sorry you're so stupid". That's just asking for trouble and I can't really criticise the block here if it was done for that reason. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HJ Mitchell: Since one important issue here seems to be whether EEng's criticism was directed at the subject of the article, and so possibly a BLP violation, something EEng specifically denies above, are there diffs that, in your view, show that he did? Thanks, Paul August ☎ 20:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There being no respionse by HJM, nor by GW (who is obviously following here), I'd like some kind person to post the following just below the ANI post by HJM seen in this link:

*:I realize you're dancing as fast as you can, but that's nothing but handwaving until you answer the challenge -- issued to you twice now [76][77], and twice ignored by you even as you were posting the above exercise in alternative reality -- to provide actual, specific diffs for my alleged BLP violation. Or maybe Gorilla Warfare can help you out with that? EEng 01:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng 01:11, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done nagualdesign 01:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's no space in my username so if you ping me with that I don't get it, just as a heads up. I do have your page temporarily watchlisted, but was away from my computer this evening. I see someone else has already gotten to posting it. If you are asking me to provide the specific BLP violations, I linked them in the first ANI post. 04:35, 23 March 2021 and 00:57, 25 March 2021 are the two I would consider the actual violations, most of the other stuff was just rude. GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Editor Temporarily Banned for Criticizing Use of 'Tree' as Pronoun

From our second-favorite unreliable source:

Wikipedia Editor Temporarily Banned for Criticizing Use of 'Tree' as Pronoun --Breitbart

(URL: www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/03/26/wikipedia-editor-temporarily-banned-for-criticizing-use-of-tree-as-pronoun/ )

Also featured on today's Drudge Report and on Reddit.[78]

Related: 'Love, Simon' Actor Keiynan Lonsdale Talks About Preferred Pronouns: 'I Just Want to Go by Tree' --Billboard

--Guy Macon (talk) 22:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eatcha heart out, Barbara!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You gotta love it! EEng is now a hero to the QAnon crowd! And the image at right is part of the War on Christmas! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holy unintended consequences, Batman!

I can hardly bring my fingers to type these words, but... by the standards of typical in-the-moment coverage of this kind of thing, the Breitbart piece is actually a pretty good summary. And they did note that I think Trump's a sociopathic-narcissist-racist criminal moron, so I don't feel entirely misrepresented. The one significant fact which I suspect they'd have included, had they known it, is that I'm gay too; I feel it's a bit unfair that I get implicitly cast as the big bad straight-by-default guy vs. queer-speaking-truth-to-power Gorilla Warfare. (Of course, I'm a white male cisgendered gay, so that imposes a 50% discount on my victimhood credit, presumed wokeness, and authority to lecture from the moral high ground.) And I want to correct a definite error – the assertion that I did express support for using other pronouns, including "xe/xem/xyr" pronouns. No, what I said is there's a place ... for discussion about whether there's liberation value in a thoughtful campaign to get people to understand and use xe/xem/xyr (underlining added).

EEng 01:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still undecided whether you're actually a straight, homophobic, right-wing asshole masquerading as a gay, left-wing intellectual for reasons unknown.^[FBDB] nagualdesign 01:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Surely it should be obvious that it's the other way around. EEng 01:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's what's confusing me. nagualdesign 02:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What a very good summary. T. D. Adler gets in a lot of details, all the right order. It must be very boring for most Breitbart readers? But really... that caption for Melania saying "C'mon Donald, light my fire!" Is that the "worst" insult he could find on your page? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. seems we all now have to call you "Mr Capone". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng, I have a bunch of things to say. First, for purposes of this talk page section only, my preferred pronoun is "lawnmower". Second, I am never going to let you live this down. If you'd like, I'll see if I can set up a date for you with Lindsay Graham. I think the two of you would make a cute couple. (Anyone who thinks I just violated BLP can kiss my lawnmower.)

And now that I've had my requisite fun, I want to say something serious. In my opinion, my dear friend Bishonen did the wrong thing, although it's clearly a matter of opinion in which fish, lizards, and lawnmowers can have legitimate differences of opinion. As I said at ANI, I believe that you ridiculed other editors, and that you were wrong to have done so. I'm aware that you went to some high falutin' university like Yale or something, which makes you smarter than the average person hit by lightening. In my experience, you are very frequently correct in your evaluations of editorial judgements here. But the fact that you are right and someone else is wrong does not entitle you to show off what a smarty-pants you are by making fun of them. It's really ugly. I mean it. Stop doing it. Bish wasn't wrong in terms of enacting consensus, but she was wrong in making it psychologically easier for you to figure that you were vindicated. She did you, personally, no favor. And you really, really need to get the message that you have every right to explain why you are correct about something, but no right to ridicule other editors who are wrong. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"I heard you went to Yale."

"Yah. I Yust got out."

Please use as my personal pronoun any 11-digit prime number. Any other term -- and this specifically includes rewriting your sentences so that they contain no personal pronouns at all -- will be dealt with according to the customs of our tribe. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enablers

"?

And I thought T. D. Adler's summary was good. But the Yale joke is the funniest I've seen all year. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC) Official Govt. Warning: Note: the value of bitcoin pronouns may go down as well as up.[reply]

And Guy Macon's link is required viewing for everyone watching here. (Did you see me in it?) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to look away. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, that was the ultimate illustration of

WP:TROUTing! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Unblocked

You have been unblocked. Bishonen | tålk 03:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

In the wise words of Contrapoints (as Justine),

"Hasn't it occurred to you that being shamed and berated for being a 'trender' during your exploration year might not have been the most helpful thing?...The stigma you perpetuate against gender confusion and experimentation keeps trans people in the closet and delays transition. It alienates 'baby trans' from the community that should be welcoming them instead of publicly humiliating them."[79]

Kolya Butternut (talk) 03:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng—for the avoidance of doubt—you should know that, although I don't think you violated BLP policy, and I argued strongly for a reduction of your block, or unblock, I hardly think you are blameless in all this. You have such talent, I really wish you would use your superpowers only for good. Paul August ☎ 12:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC) P.S. Perhaps I'm partly to blame also, since I seem to have fallen down on my chosen task of being your Socratic gadfly, I will hope to be a better scold in the future.[reply]

Your current travails at ANI

"Current" travails: [80] – EEng

That video made me notice the resemblance between Buster Keaton and Justin Long. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah sure, whatevs... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, those jackets, in the image to the right, are definitely not straight. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on your definition of "straight". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason this thread reminded me of a novel that I read a few years ago written by John Kennedy Toole, and the provenace of its title.

Phil Bridger (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Phil Bridger, surely you don't think I picked that phrase by accident? From the lead of the relevant article: Its central character, Ignatius J. Reilly, is an educated but slothful 30-year-old man living with his mother ... eccentric, idealistic, and creative, sometimes to the point of delusion. (Note, however, that I do not live with my mother. Nor am I 30 years old. Nor is my name Ignatius J. Reilly, though if I could do it all over again that'd be a great Wikipeda handle.) EEng 03:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn? Randy Kryn (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[81]. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What? You expect him to opine? Nah - he's more likely to bark. Atsme 💬 📧 18:06, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't necessarily expect him to opine, but o-maple, o-birch, o-spruce, maybe something like that. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can see him sprucing up. Maple he will consider it, or more likely he'll birch about it. From little nuts big oaks grow...or something like that...so there's hope, even for coneheads like me. We're at the age when we can no longer bear fruit, but some of us still have dates. Well...fig it, I'll just make like a tree and leave. Atsme 💬 📧 18:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll admit that I o-overdid the o-orchard. O-O-O-O-Oleander! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hot dog, anyone? 🌭 nagualdesign 20:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I keep hearing about this "EEng Brigand". Where do I apply? I have a lot of experience as a minion and as a henchman and want to move up. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  In all seriousness, GM, what I love about your post is that you yourself had me at ANI about a year ago: WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1044#Personal attack by EEng. So you see, with repeated exposure everyone comes around to the dark side eventually; it's just a matter of time.

  And as it happens, that very thread was directly on point to the central issue in the most recent dustup; (talk page stalker)s are encouraged to take a look. EEng 04:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  So much for putting the past behind us and trying to be friendly. I won't make that mistake again. Unwatching this page. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  No, no, Guy, you misunderstand – really and truly! What I was saying is that I'm glad we're still friends despite a past misunderstanding (i.e. you've "come around to the dark side" – you know, because some people think I'm Darth Vader or Emperor Palpatine) and bear you no ill will. Please tell me I've cleared that up and you'll un-unwatch; I can't bear to think there will be no more of this kind of thing. EEng 13:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  (Back because of notice on my talk page.) OK, it looks like I completely misread the intent of the above. And for the record, I misjudged the consensus on civility. Turns out that "but what you just said is idiotic" is perfectly OK, but not "you are an idiot". (I am still unsure whether I can write "OK, let's assume for the sake of argument that you are an idiot.") Rewatching page, unstriking comments, going back to trying to be friendly. Let's forget this ever happened. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k ]. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I actually think it's a good idea to not forget, since it's a useful reminder that misunderstandings happen. Let me do you the compliment of saying that in my estimation your "trying" to be friendly has always been successful. I meant it when I said I don't begrudge you the trip to ANI; many who have dragged me there have, once the community recalibrated their naughty detector for them, become active and valued participants on this very page (another example of what the "dark side" comment referred to).

  The idiotic–idiot distinction really is important. When someone says "You're acting like an idiot", the speaker is taking extra care to show that, despite your moment of temporary idiocy, he doesn't think you are an idiot – if he wanted to say that he could do so with less trouble: "You're an idiot". As I said in the discussion I linked above:

  Everybody plays the fool sometimes, there's no exception to the rule. I personally appreciate having my own follies pointed out, because it is only in that way that wisdom can be attained (not that I'm anywhere near that point yet).

  EEng 21:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guy, for me personally, the fish-throwing link you posted was a genuine delight, and I thank you for it very much. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I feel sorry for Xena. That would make a great wikiname. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking forward to a remake with Gal Gadot. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This potentially irrevocable misunderstanding (say if Guy had instead simply said, sotto voce, "fuck you", and walked away never to return), to me, points out the dangers of trying to be too witty/clever/subtle/nuanced, a mistake, in my view, that witty, clever, subtle, and nuanced people like EEng often make. I generally prefer to be boringly direct, at the expense of humor (as a famous philosopher once said there's a fine line between clever and stupid), or when subtlety or nuance is required (say in arguments over personal pronouns), to be painfully detailed. Paul August ☎ 16:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Witty? Yes. Clever? Probably. Subtle and nuanced? You have got to be kidding me. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes EEng's humor is often not particularly subtle or nuanced. But—in serious discussion—he is often quite so, because subtlety and nuance are needed when discussing things that are subtle and nuanced (and all things are to a mind that thinks deeply). Paul August ☎ 17:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Let me explain what I was thinking/feeling because human interaction is an interesting topic. First off, I am a high-functioning autistic (what they called Asperger's syndrome before the latest rejiggering of the categories). I have the typical attributes of that condition; high IQ, ability to concentrate on a problem, inability to detect emotional nuances or sarcasm, a love of wordplay, and a tendency to be overly-literal. Like many people with Asperger's I am usually able to successfully mimic someone without the condition, but it requires a conscious effort instead of coming naturally.

I am also having a lot of trouble with alt-med practitioners, mostly because of

WP:YWAB

. Unrelated, but it has been stressing me a bit.

I felt that EEng was criticizing me over past events, when -- as became clear later -- that was not the intent. And yes, I seriously considered leaving silently, unwatching the page and muting notifications. Posting a goodbye message often results in abuse. I would have left silently if not for the other editors who I have been engaging with friendly bantering with on this page. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that you take this as a compliment, because that is how I intend it. I would never have guessed that, because I've always been impressed with your sense of humor and use of emotional nuance. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Have a couple of fish songs:[82][83] --Guy Macon (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holy mackerel!! The effects in that 1st video were amazing! Definitely worth a one pound fish!! Atsme 💬 📧 18:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the fish! I agree with Atsme about the CFX in the first video. (But they had freshwater and saltwater fish in the same tank. Tsk, tsk.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC) I just realized: that would mean tanks for all the fish! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two goldfish were relaxing in in a tank. One goldfish turned to the other and asked "do you know how to drive this thing?"

^{Thank you folks. You have been a great audience. I will be here all week. Tell your friends. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)}[reply]

^{Those would be soldier fish, or maybe fusiliers. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)}[reply]

Thank you so much Guy, for that short but punchy essay on "Wikipedia disciplinary procedure and how it works for me". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Horse goes into a bar. Bartender says:
"Why the long face?"

Anteater runs into a bar. Bartender says, "Want a drink"? Anteater says, "Nooooo". Bartender says, "Maybe you'd like a sandwich." Anteater says, "Noooooooooooo". Bartender says:
"Why the long noes?"

Rabbi goes into a bar with a frog on his shoulder. Bartender says, "Where'd you get that?"
Frog says: "Brooklyn ... They're all over the place."

Three-legged dog goes into a bar. He says:
"Ahm lookin' for the man that SHOT MY PAW!"

A skeleton walks into a bar. Bartender says: "Hello stranger, what would you like?" Skeleton says:
"A pint of beer and a mop, please."

Phineas Gage runs into a bar.
[Think about it.And if you still don't get it, click the link.] [1] References ^ I think I stole this one from Tryptofish

EEng 01:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes the bar runs into you. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't Nietzsche say something about that? EEng 01:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nah. he was more concerned with other sharp objects. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A neutron walks into a bar and runs up a tab. Ready to leave, the Neutron asks "What do I owe you?" Bartender says:
"For you, no charge."

Argento Surfer (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Bar jokes always remind me of Bernard Right-On. Considering the recent brouhaha it seems doubly appropriate somehow. I'd transcribe the joke in question here, but out of context it would undoubtedly cause some people fits of hand wringing/pearl clutching. For those who are intrigued, it's the opening joke to this performance. nagualdesign 17:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you so much for that link. Sheer brilliance. Long before Cold Feet and "Jazz Club". "Errrmm... not necessarily the kitchen....a foundry, or an engineering plant... something like that." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a brilliant caption for the (soon to be replaced) main image at Woman! Yeah, John's legendary. And coincidentally the spitting image of my friend, also called John and with a very similar and brilliant sense of humour, who died in 2018. nagualdesign 20:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

---

How about this non-bar joke:

"We've just found out that my grandad's addicted to Viagra" "Oh no! How's your grandma taking it?"
"Pretty hard"

nagualdesign 20:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Pardon me, but even on my talk page there are limits. EEng 01:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems that "clever" has become a dirty word on Wikipedia. I haven't seen the word so denigrated since bullies used to use it against people when I was at school half a century ago. I would remind those who think that they are being fashionable by supporting anti-intellectual populism that that attitude is so 2019.

Phil Bridger (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Arrgghhh. Don't get me started. EEng is just too clever for his own good (especially in a place like this). It's a shame he's so witty, or most folk like me could just ignore him. But I'm not sure I'll ever see the day when he's "bullied". ClevorTrever123 (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

---

Followup: A Quaker conversion?

It suddenly occurs to me that maybe this whole tree thing was a transcription error: he wasn't saying tree, he was saying thee! He's become a Quaker! That explains everything! EEng 10:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was both. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good one. EEng 20:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now for something completely different...

• The Expert
• The Expert: Wrong Angle
• The Expert: Progress Meeting
• Any finally, this is what a real expert sounds like.

--Guy Macon (talk) 03:04, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• "One day" last year in
  retroencabulator but couldn't get funding to develop it before the war ended, sold the patents to Rockwell, competition from bubble memory eventually forced it off the market, etc etc and so on an so forth. Then I played the video (the last one on GM's list above). I had the pleasure of watching all the faces on Zoom as realization dawned. April Fools! EEng 03:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• (edit conflict) Funnily enough, 2 new versions of the retroencambulator sketch have showed up in my recommendations over the past week. I saw the original a few years ago and was amazed that no one fluffed their lines - not that you'd be able to tell without comparing! So the first thing I thought about when I read your post above was prefamulated amulite. (For the sake of completeness, here's the other version.) nagualdesign 03:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I find most of the me-too versions not so good, but I like this one [84] because Ms. Explainer comes across as genuine even if Mr. Introducer is somewhat wooden (although there's a certain charm there too). There's another one that's appeared recently -- quite extended with a lot of new material and a skilled pitchman -- but I can't find it now. EEng 04:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Here is one without the annoying American accents.[85] ^{(...says the Guy who lives where the TMZ crosses the Orange Curtain...)} "Fog to cloud, cloud to cloud, and cloud to cirrus cumulonimbus stratus cloud communications are available as standard!" --Guy Macon (talk) 05:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  That's it! That's the one! Oh, Guy, you idiot savants on the spectrum are so handy to have around! EEng 06:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  If anyone doesn't quite understand any of those videos, I'd be more than happy to explain them. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Serial Number 54129, please stop egging EEng on. ^{SubjectiveNotability} _{a GN franchise} (talk to the boss) 15:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended user

Hi EEng, would you be able to tell what exactly the "extended" refers to in "extended confirmed"? Much appreciated. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It means an editor has been registered 30 days and has at least 500 edits. Very occasionally, an article in a highly contentious topic area will be protected in such a way that only "extended confirmed" editors can edit it. See WP:Protection_policy#Extended_confirmed_protection. EEng 00:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EEng. My apologies for the run-around; I should have been more clear. I know what it is and what it means; I am trying to understand the part about "extended". Someone is proposing creating a similar user group on the pt-wiki, and I suspect that the translation is completely wrong. In the meantime (after posting my questio to you), after reading many pages on the subject, I found this piece, which seems to shed some light - "Extending it even further like Pocketthis says ("You could make it 90/1000, and I'd be fine with it")", here. So if I am reading it right, the "extension"/ "extended" refers to the extended criteria (longer [extended] period/ more [extended number of] edits) to be met to be allowed to edit. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're on the right track. In the sense used here, extended means "beyond/more than the basic criteria needed for confirmation" (the basic criteria being 4 days and 10 edits). My Brazilian boyfriend doesn't have the patience to teach me Pt but my guess is something along the lines of estendida/estendido or aumentada/aumentado or amplificar might work. EEng 01:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maravilha. Thanks for confirming. PS: We have something in common — Brazilian partners (I am Angolan). As for learning the language, my son started now on Duolingo, as a lockdown project, and he is very happy with it. He is actually doing sterlingly. Cumprimentos, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 01:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So now you know why my fellow editors sense that I teeter on the brink of madness. EEng 02:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about that. None of us think that you are on the brink. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean "none of us thinks that you are on the brink". And you pretend you went to Harvard! EEng 11:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I hesitated for a long time before saving the edit, for that reason! But I did go there, and I also graduated. The way I see it, "one thinks" is unquestionably correct, but it would also be common practice to say "none of them are here", and thus, "none think". On the other hand, one would say "no one thinks" and "none" is a contraction of "no one". This is one of those situations where the language is, well, degrading. So you are correct, but I'm more stylish. But in any case, we all think that you are well over the brink.

Which brings me to another bit of impertinence, or at least to wax poetic. You keep claiming that you have a Brazilian. But I'm skeptical. You do not strike me as the type who would go in for body waxing. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I'm above recycling a joke myself, but you've made that crack before (search Brazilian on this page). EEng 06:59, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crumbs! You two. Like a crack comedy double act! Titter. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm. Sorry! I'm really slipping. Should I plead mental incompetence because I got my second Covid vaccine shot yesterday and am undoubtedly out of it, or should I plead mental incompetence because I'm just mentally incompetent? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Only your 2nd? Sounds like you're pleading for your 5th. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it! Thanks! Bartender, give me a fifth of whatever Martin's drinking. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

**hic**.... Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a hick! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Q. How many South Americans does it take to change a light bulb? A: A Brazillon. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now, that was a close shave! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Like the Burma boards (?) they just get closer... :

Q: Why did the Brazilian sign up for Tinder? A: For a Juan night stand. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! EEng 01:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only irritable senior citizen here. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

on Earth Day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll go out and burn some fossil fuels to celebrate. EEng 18:42, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I went out and counted flowering plants, 32, one I had not seen in my whole life, German Pestwurz, English Petasites hybridus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Or why not go out and destroy some random solar panels?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Santos Dumont

Hello! I just saw your last message on the Santos Dumont article discussion and I'd like to bring the discussion her, if I may:

I took a long time working in the Portuguese article (that currently is featured thanks to my and more editors efforts) and articles like João Goulart (this one was hard, since it needed expansion in both languages and I had to cheat my way with Deepl). On the HBO work, did you found time to watch? It seems really close with his history (considering all the time contracting due the small number of episodes) but of course, I can't suggest it as a source. But is really well made, some moments are directly brought from his books and all the crew had to master French, English and Spanish. I just waved a little of the Portuguese version from this source in the original article and tomorrow I will start with this bilingual work.

I don't know how to deal with the English article thanks to the "heavier than air" subject: personally I like the interpretation that the airplane had "several fathers" or paraphrasing a talk that Dumont had with Edison: "this science have so many contributors that how I could invent and patent anything for real?" --in "O que eu vi..." (1918) Dumont even highlighted that the new generation should learn about the researchers that came before his generation and died while pursuing the dream of flight. I understand that the US aviation industry took some time to take off due some legal issues, while the "open source" Demoiselle made the European industries advanced quite fast.

But anyway, Santos Dumont, together with Ayrton Senna, is such an object of national proundness here in Brazil (even if just a few bothers to learn about their history) that the article could turn into a "editions war" quite fast ---and today we really need something to be proud of...

Seems that two of the works in your collection is up on Internet Archive, what is great to references: Wings of Madness and Man Flies.

Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 01:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is probably the third or fourth time I've had to apologize for having made no progress at all on this, though I continue to be determined to make the English Wikipedia article as good as can be. He's a wonderful figure and deserves to be fully recognized. It's going to be a huge project, though, and I'll need to devote six months to it, which right now I just don't have. Clearly there are conflicts among the sources, and many (including most of the newest ones) are in Portuguese, which I neither speak nor read. Maybe I'm crazy to think I can take this on. But perhaps together we can ... when I find the time.

I haven't looked at the HBO special, because I assumed it's in Portuguese only. Is it in available in English as well, or with English subtitles? It's looks like an excellent production.

I am very impressed with the pt.wiki article – so much new material, so many excellent photos! But I'm confused. One of the photo captions refers to two men as "great-grandchildren of Santos Dumont". Did he have children??? EEng 07:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: Is okay! I completely agree that he deserves to be more recognized and the Portuguese language sources are an interesting case because many biographies are criticized for its lack of historical care. The first work to be acknowledged as complete is "Wings of Madness", but it also raised controversy on the representation of Santos-Dumont sexuality --it isn't a consensus among the researchers. On the links above, this one is mere 24 pages and the English side of this one is about 18. Other thing to do, maybe, would try to find English articles (like this) and newspapers from the time, since Santos was a pretty public figure in Europe.

The HBO production was filmed in Portuguese (scenes in Brazil), French (scenes in Paris), some dialogues in Spanish, European Portuguese and in English (scenes set in England and US), but is seems that they completely dubbed the series in English, what is quite sad, since the actors worked so hard to master these languages.

Well, thanks! I think you mistranslated: the term is "sobrinho-bisneto", something like as "newphew-grandcrildren", the grandchildren from his brothers and/or sisters.

Do you know any English language publisher and/or translator who might be interested on Santos public domain work? It seems that only My Airships received an English edition, while "O Que Eu Vi, O que Nós Veremos" never got any translations. Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"sobrinho-bisneto", something like as "newphew-grandcrildren" – My fault for using Google Translate. In English these are called collateral descendents. EEng 02:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: I translated the legend in the image with this term. Is possible to watch the series there? 6, 50 minutes episodes. On the Wikipedia article, I think that it would need to be redone from start (is easier to retranslate than just reference what is in the article). I might attempt to bring this to any Aviation community on the Portuguese Wikipedia on this subject, because the language barrier is a problem --but your collection might also have something of interest to the Portuguese article. Erick Soares3 (talk) 02:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The guy on the left is definitely related to S-D: . I guess those droopy eyes run in the family. EEng 05:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng:, well, Dumont's mother had this tired expression, while his father... Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng:, since I recently finished the "Olympic Hero" book, I brought the subject about the English article in the WikiProject Aviation in the pt.wiki - is a good place to add your opinion and there's no problem if you write in English. Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

September

@EEng: hi again! Few days ago I found this rare audio and video footage during an award ceremony in France (receiving the National Order of the Legion of Honour). Sadly the quality isn't great and should be quite hard to find the original film - I uploaded here, on Internet Archive and Youtube due it's historical importance (probably the only recording of his voice) and it seems to be in public domain since the 1980s. I'm working a little more in the Portuguese article (Henrique Lins de Barros wrote a lot about him and his articles are online/creative commons) and I think that the only way for the English version is to translate from PT with DeepL like what I did with the far less known Luís Gama. I don't want to turn the article in a edit warring like it was in the past, but the Portuguese version already developed so much about his life and work... Cheers, Erick Soares3 (talk) 01:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What tremendous work you're doing! And just by coincidence, I went to the library Saturday for the first time in almost two years (because ... you know) and renewed all my Santos Dumont books. And I thought of you! Now remind me -- what was the edit war? Just send me a link to the discussion or a diff to the start of the edits, or something. I'm very very busy and won't be editing much for another month, maybe, but at some point we'll use what you've done at PT to improve the article here at EN. EEng 04:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: Hi, thanks!!! Since I didn't want to let the article die, I Boldly translated the entirety of the Portuguese page to English (diff). I know that the articles aren't supposed to be replicas from each other, the the PT version was so developed that I just went for it even if it was tiring and kind of hurt my fingers hahaha - everything that the English version had, the Portuguese had with more information and sources.

On the edit war: it probably was a thing from years ago, but is on "Dumont vs Wright Brothers" discussion - I personally think that his discussion is quite boring, because everyone only thinks about this and never learns who Dumont really was (but I believe that I managed to source everything on this matter).

Now, with the updates/translation, I've finished with 310 inline citations and 53 footnotes explaining/giving context. On the books books, good! I think that would be necessary to link "{{sfn|Hoffman|" ("Wings of Madness") on the English version and do the same with the English language part of Olympic hero book. By now, only the article Open Source Philosophy and the Dawn of Aviation is completely in English - and gives some contrast on the development of aeronautics in the US and Europe ("patent and monetize everything" vs "open source and "steals" anything that could be useful for your project"). I'm only worried if happens to someone revert everything, but I have the work saved offline.

I even brought the death certificate (it was adulterated to occult his suicide) to the Wikisource and I'm transcribing this Cc-by-3.0 article by Henrique Lins de Barros - his research is superb, but I think that only this really short book is available in English (in another article Barros gives a lot of good motives of why Dumont should be thought as an scientist - but we just don't think about him in this way even if he was brillant).

On a final note, Neil deGrasse Tyson even praised him in a Letter to Brazil in the Brazilian Portuguese version of Letters From an Astrophysicist. Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 01:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some days ago I also converted the List of Santos-Dumont aircraft into a table. Could you see if in your books if there any image from the Amérique? And in there are, could digitize it and send to Commons? Could you also look for any reference to the Fatum balloon? A few Portuguese language sources says that Santos Dumont designed it as a passing note, but I couldn't find it in any more reliable source - only that he flew 3 times on it according this Cronology. The cabangu website have a lot of public domain images from SD (much supplied by his family) and I have already sent some to Commons. Erick Soares3 (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's just terrific what you're doing. Still, though, I'm very very busy. Here's what I have on the shelf for when I get to this:

• Alberto Santos-Dumont / texto de Henrique Lins de Barros. Barros, Henrique Lins de.
• Desafio de voar : brasileiros e a conquista do ar, 1709-1914 Henrique Lins de Barros.
• Santos-Dumont, "o pai de aviação." Villares, Henrique Dumont.
• Santos-Dumont and the conquest of the air, tr. by Luiz Victor Le Cocq d'Oliveira. Napoleão, Aluízio, 1914-
• My airships; the story of my life. With a new introd. by Sir Peter Wykeham. Santos-Dumont, Alberto, 1873-1932
• Man flies : the story of Alberto Santos-Dumont, master of the balloon, conqueror of the air / Nancy Winters.
• Wings of madness : Alberto Santos-Dumont and the invention of flight / Paul Hoffman.
• Santos-Dumont; a study in obsession. Wykeham, Peter.
• Santos Dumont, inventor Barbosa, Francisco de Assis, 1914-

(I don't read Pt but my boyfriend's Brazilian.) When the time comes there may be photos in some of those, and in fact there are many, many books on S-D that I have access to which aren't listed above because they're in Pt -- but I could still look through them for images. Also, I recently ran into THE CONQUEST OF THE AIR: THE SANTOS-DUMONT AEROPLANE. Lees, Frederic. The Pall mall magazine, May 1893-Sept. 1914; London Vol. 39, Iss. 166, (Feb 1907): 130-134, which has a lot of good images. EEng 19:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Man flies? Is that a fashion statement? (Now you can tell me to zip it.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng:, thanks! Well, I would love to read these books. By the sinopise, "Desafio de voar : brasileiros e a conquista do ar" is not just about Santos Dumont, but about all Brazilians who took part in the aeronautics development since Bartolomeu de Gusmão (who may be the first in recorded history to demonstrate a small scale hot air balloon model back in 1700s - at least from where the mostly authoritative sources goes (the legend says that he flew before the Montgolfier brothers, but there's no evidence to back this up)) until early 20th century. My Airships is the same in Wikisource. The article already connects with the Portuguese translation (non Public Domain, since the translator only died in the 1960s), but would be interesting to link the "Sfn" with the English version. The "Santos-Dumont; a study in obsession" was used as a source before I sent my translation, but only in a general way in moments cited by several sources - but the title is intriguing. The Nancy Winters work is in on Internet Archive.

If possible, could you ask for your boyfriend to read some of these books? I believe that they could also be quite useful in the Portuguese article.

Since THE CONQUEST OF THE AIR: THE SANTOS-DUMONT AEROPLANE. is public domain and just 4 pages, there's any way for you to digitize it and send to Wikisource? On the images: the list only needs are one for the Amérique and Nº17.

For now I will only foccus on the Wikisource article. I read so much to develop the article and to translate it, that my mind needs to take a little "vacation" from this subject haha

Finally, I hope to find a way for the Wikisource community to translate Dumont's 2th book and Barros article to English and maybe French - that would help to make these works more accessible.

Thanks, Erick Soares3 (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The strength of our relationship (my boyfriend and mine, I mean) is division of responsibility: I haunt the library and write the Wikipedia articles, he scouts the farmer's marked and makes the moqueca. I could get him to sit still long enough to skim something for its general sense, but that's probably about it. EEng 15:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! A Chilean Museum has just released an Spanish language book about Santos Dumont (free download - official source). I also started to translate Dumont's second work at Wikisource. I'm using DeepL and while it isn't totally right all the time, I thought that it would be fair to make this work available in English (it was translated into French early this year). Erick Soares3 (talk) 17:36, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you are doing (the translation, I mean) is a tremendous contribution. Someday we'll really pull that article together. Regarding the Chilean book: does it have anything really new? EEng 17:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm not replying much here because my laptop almost can't handle your talk page. On the new book: I don't know (I'm planning to read it in the following days) - I only know that it is about his relationship with Chile. In general is hard for any new book to bring anything new to the table and we still need for a historian to write a biography about him (or at least something like what Walter Isaacson does). There's still a lot to discover about him (like the history of this balloon that, it seems, no biography talks about).

I have returned to this topic since in the last few days marked both the 149 anniversary of his birth and 90th years since his death. I have just did some edits in the article in both languages, including a topic on his mental health (with a 2013 and a 2022 English language articles). I have also found one about the 14-Bis, but it seems quite technical. Erick Soares3 (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would you know about any publisher who would be interested on Santos Dumont? Researcher Rodrigo Moura Visoni translated all the known Santos Dumont articles, but he doesn't have the budget to publish it (is my opinion that this would should be available in Portuguese, English and French). As an example, he created a work about Augusto Severo, but his crowdfunding is far from the mark. Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh, I'm really the wrong person to ask about this -- it's way too far from my area. Sorry. EEng 19:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All right! Thanks! Erick Soares3 (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I have spend the last few days working on the original version of Santos Dumont's experiments in Monaco and you may like to see it!

As a side question: could you see in your books if there's any use of Dumont's articles as sources? I'm attempting to gather everything on Wikisource (he entered in the Brazilian Public Domain way back in 1993) and I found that he wrote about 16 articles in English, French and German. Is not exactly for use in his Wiki page, but to compile everything for public access (apparently there's one here, but it is impossible to search). Erick Soares3 (talk) 12:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's one thing I can actually do. Bug me once in a while until I get the answer back to you. Also, I see you asked me earlier about photos of the Amérique, and I never answered that. EEng 13:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All right! I already found out one from the Amérique. For your collection, I just found out a 1970s biographical 4 parts series (1, 2, 3 and 4). I don't know if there's anything new for the article here (I found out that Santos actually met Jules Verne, what is neat), but it seems an interesting reading (the author was also the first to reveal, back in 1944, that Santos had committed suicide) - but I can't find this article anywhere. This website have also preserved articles predating his death (1928 onward). Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, those are great new discoveries. You're really "beating the bushes". EEng 20:43, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and I think that you will like this one: someone restored, colorized and upscaled some videos from SD with AI. I have also found the original article that publicized Dumont's cause of death (there's nothing beyond you can read in the bios, but I have linked it in the footnotes for historical reference). Erick Soares3 (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My god, those are FANTASTIC. In general I feel colorization falsifies historic documents, but here the results are so impressive I'll overlook my usual purism. Do you think there's any chance of getting that video released under a Creative Commons license? EEng 18:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is really fantastic and this channel have even more restorations (including from this film). Since they had to reupload all the videos with a narration track to avoid demonetization, I don't think so. For much I would like to recover the original black & white public domain videos for Commons - once I attempt to contact Pathé (since they filmed the originals), but it seems that they don't have the videos anymore. This documentary recovered about 16 minutes of footage (including long thought lost footage) and my dream project would be a "Apollo in Real Time" style recreation for the Archdeacon prize. Erick Soares3 (talk) 10:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! I have just made an article for the balloon Brésil and you may like to see it (I wonder if it still is the smallest crewed balloon ever build or if anyone has surpassed it...). Erick Soares3 (talk) 11:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again @EEngEEng! How are you doing?

I think that you will like those two new projects: Dumont's World is developing a new deep-researched book on Alberto Santos Dumont (the author has found out that the Nº9 airship is stored at the Smithsonian) and PetitDumont is a thematic shop at Santos Dumont with souvenirs, books, clothing... The Brazilian Air Force has also published a website to mark his 150th birthday (mostly in Portuguese, but there's a Spanish and English language videos) and 3 free e-books (I'm planning to read E o Brasil falava de Santos-Dumont..., a compilation of newspaper articles from the early 20th century, to see if it has anything new for his bio). Erick Soares3 (talk) 11:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great photos! I appreciate your keeping me informed, and someday we'll partner up to expand and improve the treatment of SD on Wikipedia. I just don't know when that will be. EEng 14:56, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Erick Soares3 (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh

A trademark is a part of intellectual property, but it is not copyright. You can indicate trademark using {{Trademark}} if you want. But it being trademarked does not make it non-free from our point of view, otherwise we would consider images like our own logo (and derivatives thereof) as non-free. Dylsss^{(talk contribs)} 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC) See also c:Commons:Non-copyright_restrictions#Trademark_law and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks#Use of graphic logos Dylsss^{(talk contribs)} 18:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since I'm a retired intellectual property consultant I don't need any tutorials on the legalities, and I'm fairly well versed in WP's policies in this area as well; what I don't invest my time in is the minutiae of all our little licensing and permissions templates. But I know for sure that presenting the file (as you have) as simply CC-licensed, with no mention of the trademark status, is utterly inappropriate. Feel free to tinker with the templates about copyright or free/nonfree status to your heart's content, as long as the trademark status is acknowledged. While you're deciding what you want to do along those lines I've restored the current licensing. EEng 19:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done then. Dylsss^{(talk contribs)} 19:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful. And without resort to violence! We should notify the media. EEng 19:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Giants!

Look at this photo:[86][87] Look at the size of the Bidens compared to the Carters... --Guy Macon (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coming soon to a theater near you! The next great action blockbuster! The Incredible Shrinking President Or The Incredible Gigantic President

But if I could shrink former Presidents, or even shrink them down to non-existence, I'd definitely make other choices. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, yeah. I would enlarge a recent one so much that he collapsed into a quivvering, oozing mass under the weight of his own blubber.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our distinguished visitors refer to [88]. After all, who doesn't love a huge dick? EEng 19:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My wife once asked me why I've never sent her a dick pic. I promptly sent her a photo of me giving my son a noogie. She doesn't ask me anymore. Which is good because the wide angle lens on my phone isn't wide angle enough.

Tell me all about it. 20:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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EEng, get off your lawn! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Viruses have feelings too!

Re: "I don't think viruses have emotional attachment sufficient for them to feel spurned",[89] what about THIS? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lucky for me the UCOC doesn't consider viruses a protected class or we'd be at ANI right now discussing my 27th block. EEng 17:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lest anyone forget, when someone asks to be called "tree" in a single Instagram video from 3 years ago then goes right back to "he" and "him" in all of their published work, not honoring that request will get you warned, and actually commenting on whether the request was serious will get you blocked. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1062#EEng ridiculing a BLP who may use neopronouns. :( --Guy Macon (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spurn the spike protein. Or maybe spike the spurn protein. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Apropos nothing, POSA^[1] fans who don't have it watchlisted may enjoy the most recent addition there: [90]. EEng 19:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

1. ^ "Principle of Some Astonishment"

• EEng gives the best head. Tryptofish, get off EEng's lawn. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I put "spike" into the WP search box, and found Spike Chunsoft, which sure sounds like something that, it turns out, it isn't. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least they have their priorities straight!

• A seaside town in Japan has raised eyebrows after it used funding from an emergency Covid-19 relief grant to build a giant statue of a squid. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Phineas Gage in the news(letter)

Hello, EEng! I thought you might find this item by

Joe Schwarcz, connecting Gage to Dracula via David Ferrier, to be of some interest.—Odysseus1479 20:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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It's funny how some religious people think that if you denounce the soul as mythical, effectively 'removing' it, you'll turn into some sort of monster. Even today there are lots of devout Christians who believe that people without religion have no morals, as if the only thing keeping them from immorality is the fear of God's wrath. Notwithstanding the fact that there are many social animals that display moral judgment. The Golden Rule is pretty straightforward. nagualdesign 21:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was interesting reading. The connection from Gage to David Ferrier is an interesting one (maybe worth adding to the page(s)), although I think that the connection from Gage (the impalee) to Vlad (the impaler) is a stretch. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

maybe worth adding to the page(s) – Surely you don't think I missed that -- see Phineas_Gage#Theoretical_misuse. EEng 23:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Don't call me Shirley. (2) You expect me to read that thing? Shirley, you jest! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, I do like to think that, after all those years you and I and others spent hashing it out, the Gage article is something like 99 44/100% comprehensive; while one can never be certain just how much detail should be included on any one particular point, it seems hard to conceive that there's any relevant point that isn't at least touched upon, with pointers to where the reader can learn more if he wants. As one reviewer wrote about Macmillan's book: "... provides one of those rare occasions on which one can truly say that further research is not necessary." EEng 19:56, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nagualdesign, but the fear of God's wrath is the only thing keeping devout Christians from turning into some sort of monster, right? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that way. shudders nagualdesign 03:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, @Nagualdesign, Christianity is scarcely unique in that respect—although it and Islam seem to put a peculiar emphasis on belief. AFAICT most other religions are mainly interested in regulating behaviour, leaving what’s in one’s heart of hearts to be judged at the Weighing-In (whatever form that is conceived to take). And while I’m a fan of the Golden Rule it has its limitations, insofar as our understanding of even our own desires—let alone others’—is imperfect.—Odysseus1479 02:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for bringing this to my attention. What I never get over is how many articles (including this one) are clearly based on the WP article and/or Macmillan's Odd Kind of Fame, and yet nonetheless say stuff both those sources go to pains to falsify:
  • Gage was not laying track, just preparing the roadbed.
  • The "recording the event in his notebook" incident is probably fiction.
  • Not Boston Medical Surgery Journal but Boston Medical & Surgical Journal (a nitpick I realize, but I'm in the mood).
  • I know of no evidence that Gage "inspired" Ferrier's localization experiments.
  • Ferrier experimented on monkey and dog brains, not human brains.
  • Not Barnum’s circus. Not Barnum’s circus. Not Barnum’s circus. Not Barnum’s circus, goddam it!

For those who are wondering, Bram Stoker's reference to

Burdon-Sanderson, who was well known to the public for exactly the same thing.

Some years ago I spent a full week in London trying to find Ferrier's papers. I even tracked down the lawyers who had handled his estate. No luck, dammit. EEng 06:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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• Naturally my contribution [91] was of the usual high caliber and insightfulness one can always expect from me. EEng 22:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  With all those pearls you're constantly handing out it's no wonder that so many people tend to clutch theirs whenever you're around. nagualdesign 23:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I've heard it's the family jewels people tend to be concerned about. EEng 23:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ANI

You somehow managed to be snarky to me, and be educational, and make me smile all at once in just a few words. In my world, you have earned this token of appreciation. 92.24.246.11 (talk) 17:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our visitor refers to [92]

Like they say, you can always tell a Harvard man. EEng 17:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As they say. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Like I didn't know that. EEng 22:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know... that EEng didn't know that? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can always tell a Harvard fish, but you can't tell lawnmower much. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a great fan of comma splices. Nothing wrong with sentence fragments in any but the most formal writing.

Phil Bridger (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I love forbidden punctuation. It makes everything funnier. —valereee (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

True comedians love the forbidden, the politically incorrect, tragedy ... my latest favorite series. Atsme 💬 📧 20:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021

help desk. Thank you. 92.40.188.227 (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

There is some irony here in that this template also makes the page longer...CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 15:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, blocked IP with 18 edits! EEng 00:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The IP at self-referential humor

Have you ever browsed through their contributions? They're a troll, who occasionally makes okay-ish edits, likely to disguise their trolling. Obviously a static IP as well, as their interests haven't changed over several months, with decent and trolling edits on articles in the exact same topic. They even tried to edit a WP policy page to say something very different in what appears to be a

WP:POINTY

edit, and then edit warred over it. Back in 2018, they used a dynamic IP, but are pretty clearly on a static one now, making their trolling easier to discern.

I recently broke my vow to avoid ANI for another IP who was making hundreds of edits to a noticeboard. I'm wondering if it's worth breaking again to end this one's tendentiousness. I've a list of trolling edits of theirs at User:MjolnirPants/sandbox#section_2 if you want to give it a read. I'm curious as to your thoughts on this. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest I've lost track of what we're arguing about, with whom, and I'll be traveling for a few days so I'm afraid you'll have to take the lead on this. But I'm behind you all the way [93]. EEng 09:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Guess what for :) ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 18:10, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Expertise Required

You are the technical wizard here so I thought it wise to ask you, I’ve asked this question to a sysop and their reply although plausible I still need a technical editor to answer this for me so yup, your name came to my mind first. You see my question is how do people dig really old diffs fast? I’ve seen people dig up diffs from 2009 and very fast as well, Is there a special technical or way of digging up diffs fast? For example if I warned an editor of UPE in 2019 or wanted to dig up other diffs pertaining their conduct and whatnot is there a special way of doing so? is there a script for that purpose? I barely can dig up diffs from last week, whereas some editors could dig up a diff from 2009 and relatively fast as well, how do they achieve that feat? Celestina007 (talk) 21:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The key is to have the sort of personality that nurses grudges and mentally rehearses revenge scenarios over and over. This cements the locus of the original humiliation or offense in the mind so that it's immediately at hand (mentally speaking) when the moment for payback comes.
  Seriously, there's no magic bullet, but one very powerful tool is the editor interaction analyzer [94], which works very well if you vaguely remember that you and X (or X and Y) discussed such-and-such, but you can't really remember when or where. Most talk pages (including ANI and other noticeboards) have search boxes, in case you think what you're looking for happened on a particular talk page. Both techniques take some practice before you understand their peculiarities.
  I hope this helps. EEng 21:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly! The editor interaction analyzer , seems to be the tool they make use of. thanks for the explanation. Celestina007 (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but don't discount the value of nursing grudges and mentally rehearsing revenge scenarios. You'll get my bill. EEng 11:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lmao, how am I just seeing this. Celestina007 (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait...we're allowed to nurse grudges? Damn. —valereee (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed we are. And orderlies are allowed to grudge nurses. In fact it's traditional. EEng 00:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We're also allowed to nudge grouses, though our more environmentally-conscious editors may object. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Diff/976978259/1026107604

I think the changes you made were constructive but it would've been helpful to clear them in advance with ArbCom – the page does constitute instructions from the Arbitration Committee on rules in proceedings so ArbCom should probably know about changes KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• My response would be that no doubt the powers that be are watching, but since you're an arb yourself that seems unnecessary. EEng 21:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC) P.S. Have you visited The Museums lately?[reply]

  Does this mean that if I edit those pages, ArbCom changes how it operates? Neat. ^{SubjectiveNotability} _{a GN franchise} (talk to the boss) 14:12, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  If only it were that easy. EEng 18:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 14:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• And to what do I owe this largesse? EEng 15:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Life imitating Wikipedia

Way back in September 2012, when I created Wikipedia:Don't throw your toys out of the pram, I thought a stereotypical toy-chucking unblock request would be "This is evil censorship and bullying. I am right and they are wrong. You cannot allow lies and slander to appear on Wikipedia articles!". Today, I hear Trump's response to a two-year Facebook ban : ""They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this censoring and silencing, and ultimately, we will win. Our country can't take this abuse anymore!"" Can I sue the Orange Oaf for plagiarising my cliches? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Independent creation. EEng 20:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• No; spontaneous generation. — Neonorange (Phil) 23:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more interested in how Frisco Coakley is doing.  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, being a bear of very little brain I am unable to grasp the reference. See also

WP: FRISCO. EEng 09:29, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I sort of went down a rabbithole after reading the essay Ritchie mentioned: This user created a series of articles about his pet rabbit Frisco Coakley. I would prefer discussing this animal to thinking about the last four years.  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:00, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have always referred to the town as "Frisco", ever since I read it being referenced in a Swedish book about American Truckers when I was eight. Proudly a rube.  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's funny, when I was eight I read an American book about Swedish truckers. Must be some kind of series: "The Boys Adventure Book of Foreign Truckers". EEng 22:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I'd like to buy that one. It must be very fun to author those books, getting to ride along with truckers in foreign locales. My cousin just got her commercial trucker's license in Sweden, after a career as a lunch lady (all true) and I can't wait to shadow her at work for a day.  Mr.choppers | ✎  01:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Jimbo, hear my prayer!

From this edit[95]

This is, so wrong,

Sweet Jimbo, hear my prayer!

Back down! Back down!

Sweet Jimbo doesn't care.

(Adapted from the opening song in the film Les Miserables [96]) --Guy Macon (talk) 12:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bring me editor 2.4.60.1

Your block is up and your parole's begun!

You know what this means

- yes, it means I'm free

NO!

It means you get your yellow ticket of leave

You are a vandal

- I made a minor change

You violated BLP

- I fixed a typo I sweaaaaarrrr ^{InspectorNotability} _{a GN franchise} (talk to the boss) 14:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you hear the editors sing

Singing the songs of angry men

It's a story of the editors that must be sung again

When the beating of their chest

Reaches into their ear drums

You know it's definitely the time that we have won. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for attending this year's EEng Home for the Bewildered Literary Recital and Talent Show. On your way out remember not to feed or provoke the inmates. EEng 14:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In conclusion: Burma Shave. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Admin of AN

    Doling out the blocks

    Ready with the

    G5

    when he finds the socks

    Pages he protects

    AfDs are closed

    When it's time to unban he will vote !oppose

    Glad to give a friend an unblock

    Doesn't cost him to be nice

    But nothing gets you nothing

    Every !support has a little price

    GeneralNotability (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Admin of AN

    Doling out the blocks

    Ready with the

    G5

    when he finds the socks

    Pages he protects

    AfDs are closed

    When it's time to unban he will vote !oppose

    Glad to give a friend an unblock

    Doesn't cost him to be nice

    But nothing gets you nothing

    Every !support has a little price

    GeneralNotability (talk) 20:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  He's so nice, he posted twice! :) --Guy Macon (talk) 20:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I may have spent this afternoon listening to the 2012 adaptation's soundtrack - pretty good, though I prefer the original Broadway cast recording and don't love how the movie really cut down Overture/Work Song. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Those are very good, but nothing compares with the Key & Peele version.[97] --Guy Macon (talk) 01:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for posting that. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for posting that. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for thanking GN for posting that. EEng 00:12, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for thanking GN for posting that. EEng 00:12, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for correcting that per the number of indents. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for correcting that per the number of indents. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Bite me. EEng 19:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yum yum. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yum yum. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Double your pleasure, double your fun... --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

why?

comment removed — Ched (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some bug no doubt. Certainly not my intention. EEng 11:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK - thank you. I didn't think it was intentional, but I've had a bad couple days of having to fix, strike-through, re-edit, change, and apologize for things, so I just wanted to make sure I didn't somehow screwup again. — Ched (talk) 11:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, we cool. EEng 20:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hilarious

I saw this and this. Had myself a really good laugh! Thank you. Princess of Ara_(talk) 09:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) British translation. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Martin! EEng 15:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lool! I went wild on the publish but in my fit of laughter. Obasanjo's internet is also not helping matters! Princess of Ara_(talk) 10:13, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you were LMAOing. EEng 15:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think there may be a joke there in or on the offing. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Yes! Haha! Princess of Ara_(talk) 18:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• If somewhere on commons there's a photo of a Persian (Persian cat or, I suppose, Persian person) with a veil on its (or his or her) butt, then the caption could be veiled-ass Persian. Unfortunately, looks like File:Dalilah bailando danza oriental en la Esfinge.jpg is an Egyptian, not Persian, gal. EEng 18:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"I crossed the street to her house and she opunned the door". Thomas John Woodward, 81 (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, veiled-ass Welshman hardly fits the bill. EEng 20:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I don't know... E. L. Bow 123 (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Just wanted to say thank you

Just wanted to say thank you, for being one of the few users who seems to have some common sense in the sea of bullshittery that is our modern culture. The moronic, absurdist, toxic (and sometimes frankly, dangerous) culture that seems to be permeating everything, everywhere, including Wikipaedia.

I know it can be a thankless task sometimes, being just so utterly BASED and reasonable on Wikipedia talk pages. Especially since most readers dont even know talk pages exist, let alone understand the complex politics going on behind the scenes by the unbased and cringe editors and admins. So just know that someone, somewhere is genuinely thankful that users like you exist, who are a little beacon of hope that, maybe, all signs of intelligent life are not yet lost on this planet. 92.41.96.241 (talk) 03:20, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shit, the tape ran out ... OK, can you say that again? Please speak directly into the begonias. EEng 03:56, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did I write that the way you wanted? I can log out again if it needs to be changed. Levivich 20:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fool! Use the secure channel! EEng 23:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[Verb]ed on a [punctuation mark]

Your comment as

hanged on a comma. I've created the redirect, so, let no one say that nothing good has come of all this. I was going to make a joke there about whether any Wikipedian has ever been "indeffed on a colon", but decided it best to not compare execution to blocking on a page where tensions are high. I'm sure, though, that the answer is yes. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 19:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(

Tell me all about it. 20:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

For those of y'all in the audience who write actual articles, I do wonder if there's room for a

DS areas at once!) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 20:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

• List of people done in by auxiliary parts of speech and various punctuation marks? EEng 00:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Does it include punctuation marks not used qua punctuation marks? If so, I assume the list would be 99% programmers.

  Tom Scott, for instance. Or just about anyone to ever edit a MediaWiki template. (For me it's always the pipe in {{#if:{{{1|}}}}} that gets me.) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 00:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Notwithstanding that Mariner_1#Cause_of_the_malfunction is my all-time favorite and the granddaddy of them all, I think we better restrict ourselves to natural languages lest we be overrun. EEng 01:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The indomitable

Eats, Shoots, & Leaves

that

I'm sure people did question whether Italian printers were quite the right people to legislate on the meaning of everything; but on the other hand, resistance was obviously useless against a family that could invent italics.

scs (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I often choke on an undercooked Oxford comma. Does that count? "Hannibal's Lectures 123" (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that's an artful choke! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I was just reading Roger Casement again, and came (ahem) across this:

  the British government secretly circulated some excerpts from Casement's journals, exposing Casement as a "sexual deviant". These included numerous explicit accounts of sexual activity. This aroused ...

and I was really bummed that the next words were "public opinion". EEng 21:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage archiving

Your talkpage is very long, please consider archiving it. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Curiosity got the better of you, did it? [98] EEng 00:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• There's a novel idea. nagualdesign 00:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• What, only 204 sections spanning 2+ years? I have seen worse. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 00:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Jesus, I cut the thing in half not three months ago [99]. What do these people WANT from me? EEng 00:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I hate housework. You make the beds, you wash the dishes and six months later you have to start all over again.

  — Joan Rivers

• Not when I'm recently single, thanks [100]. Belle (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Once again ...

I find myself in the position of defending an editor at ANI whose edits are (for the most part) productive, but whose attitude pisses people off. You (and TRM for that matter) might relate. Paul August ☎ 01:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. I don't know any editors like that. Anyway, in the spirit of giving the guy another chance I randomly grabbed a few things from his contribs, which turned out to be [101] (fixing a minor stylistic flaw by making the sentence factually incorrect); [102] (worsening the flow in obedience to an idiosyncratic idea); and finally [103] (misusing a mathematical term) just before [104] (pontificating on mathematics). From these I conclude your efforts may be misplaced. Sic.

Look, if he'd acknowledge that he's got problems, and agree to listen, that would be one thing. But he's just laying low until it blows over. He can always get back from an indef by speaking up. EEng 02:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well I might be all wrong about this. But I agree acknowledging their problems and agreeing to listen—not an easy thing for some editors (know any of those?)—is what they should do here. Although, of course, just silently changing their editorial behavior would be sufficient for the purposes of the encyclopedia. But that won't fly now. ANI needs its pound of flesh. If some sort of recognition of their problems and a willingness to try to fix them is not forthcoming, an indef will likely follow. Paul August ☎ 11:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And we don't even get one of those sketchy court artist's impressions of the accused. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I said at ANI that TRM certainly should have handled this better, and been more forthcoming about what was wrong with Autod.'s edits, but I guess it's like this: there's IDHT, there's supercilious self-certainty, and there's not knowing what you're talking about. My experience is the community will tolerate up to two out of three, but not all three, which is what we have here. EEng 13:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I wonder which two I should try to get away with. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm certain that I don't know what I'm talking about and I won't let any of you lesser beings tell me otherwise. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:39, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

the DYK hall of mirrors

I'm laughing that you'd think I have any idea how that whole Rube Goldberg machine manages to keep plugging along and would therefore be able to check anyone's work. I have been trying to figure out how to simplify instructions there, but between the number of them and the number of times they're transcluded to various places, it's a bit daunting. —valereee (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You completely misunderstand. I'm using you as a sort of stress test -- if you can understand the instructions, anyone can.^[FBDB] EEng 14:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Every village needs an idiot. —valereee (talk) 15:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"O let us love our occupations, Bless the squire and his relations, Live upon our daily rations, And always know our proper stations." EEng 15:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"And swallow all our mastications. Burma Shave." --Tryptofish (talk) 17:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I'm supposed to belong to a village? I'm always the last to know these things...Now I have to figure out which village needs me...

Tell me all about it. 15:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

You can join my village. It's a big job for one little old lady in Cincinnati. —valereee (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure I'd run you out of a job if I did. My capacity for idiocy knows no bounds:

• When I was a teenager, me and a group of friends stole a dump truck from the local landfill and took it for a drunken joyride. Past the police station.
• Later on in my teens, I gave a police officer the name "Bong T. Drueler". To be fair, that cop was even more of an idiot, because he believed me.
• I once hip-fired a
  Light Fifty
  . While standing on the roof of a building. With my back to the edge. In combat.
• My wife once asked me if her outfit made her look fat, and my half-listening ass responded "Yeah, a lot, actually," because I assumed she was asking me how I was liking the book I was reading.
• I've brought my kids to the park with no pants on. On more than one occasion.
• I once sent EEng's talk page to the printer at my (former) job.

I think I'm less of a village idiot and more of an

Tell me all about it. 18:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Was it already your former job at that point, or did it become so as a result? EEng 19:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I actually answered that question in my edit summary. I was able to cancel the job before it finished spooling. Of course, I probably could have gone home, slept in late the next day and then taken an early lunch, and still had time to cancel it before it finished spooling.

Tell me all about it. 19:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Umm... thank you for your service?

About your kids in the park, were they pantsless, or were you? (Or both?)

Thinking about your mishaps, I remember that when I was a young child (I mean, fish), my mother took me to a toy store wanting to buy me a ball to play with. She walked up to a salesman, and asked him: "Do you have balls?" True story. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm glad someone appreciates my service. There were a bunch of bastards trying to kill me for it for a while there.

The kids were pants-less. I haven't stepped out of my house without a pair of blue jeans on since 2006, excepting a few occasions on which I was -horror of horrors- force to wear a suit.

In Iraq, it was fashionable for a bit to teach young ladies how to properly greet an American soldier. There was a day when me and two buddies cornered our interpreter to ask him what "Allah kabeg dek," means, as several young women had greeted us with the phrase, but young men never seemed to use it.

Much to our amusement and (and a bit to our chagrin), rather than a straightforward translation, we got a brief lesson on the effects of speaking unfamiliar English phrases with a regional Arabic accent, and an impromptu education in rural Iraqi toilet humor.

Tell me all about it. 19:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I ran that phrase through Google Translate, and they think the language of it is Malay. Interesting, sort of, but not an RS. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's English, I assure you. You've got to say it out loud to understand. Preferably loudly, and in public. You'll know you're saying it right if a woman or a well-dressed man agrees with you.

Don't trust google translate. It will take a guess if it doesn't recognize the words you've entered.

Tell me all about it. 20:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Facepalm. You got me! But once Google decided that it was Malay, they simply translated it into the standard kind of blessing. Perhaps Google has beg dek envy. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a minute? Did young Iraqi women really say that to you? Apparently, I'm the idiot here. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cum, I mean, come to think of it, pronouncing it out loud sounds like Borat is saying it. Vaan nice! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to believe I've let myself be reduced to this. EEng 22:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you several years ago swear to turn your back on Wikipedia, never to return? What happened to that? EEng 17:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! Several years? No, it was more recently than that. Actually, I've also said repeatedly that I don't wanna be an admin. But maybe it would be worth changing my mind about that too, just so I can join the club and block you.^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, admins who haven't blocked me form the more exclusive club. EEng 17:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And we all know what Groucho Marx said about joining clubs! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's it. YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! EEng 21:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you gotta say it about that loud!

Tell me all about it. 21:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Hey, kids, get off of my lawn! —valereee (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which is best answered by this —valereee (talk) 23:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm generally more inclined to answer with this. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 05:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

7falcon23

Regarding your comment in this discussion, I honestly had considered that possibility after someone else raised it to me. I asked Bishonen to take a look days ago, and didn't notice she was on vacation until after hit "save". But before reverting myself and asking someone else about it, I had a brief conversation with an employee who had seen the edit that prompted me to go to Bish, and she mentioned that he might just be a very conservative gay person, offended not by the thought of the "Gay agenda", but by nominally straight characters and people "intruding" into gay space.

I don't think that's actually the case, though. Not sure if that's what you were getting at, but seeing your comment reminded me of that. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 05:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was strictly a case of Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I'm intrigued, however, by your reference to "an employee". Your employee? You discuss your WP editing with your employee? Is that part of their assigned duties or what? EEng 05:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've got to be honest, the last virulently homophobic guy I met IRL ended up married to a another man, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

About my employee: I'm the lead software developer, in charge of hiring my own team. She's technically a coworker, but I can fire her if I want to. Of course, she's the only one of us with any qualifications in UI design, so that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

As for WPing at work: No, it's nothing official. She just happened to be sitting with me while we waited for a rather large chunk of code to compile. We'd be chatting about WP, so I hopped on while we waited. That was her first experience with Wikipedia's processes, unfortunately, and she was not impressed (I've tried to stress how uncommon that sort of thing is, but you know how first impressions are).

She also emailed me this link shortly afterwards. Although I've seen the joke before, I think it's one that bears sharing.

Tell me all about it. 13:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I dated a few US Marines in the 1980s so I know a closet case when I see one. Nice boys when you got them alone, though. EEng 16:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't speak to that, but I can analogize to "Christian women", from whom I learned that repression can be a great enhancement to the libido, and a powerful motivator to treat one's partner right. I can certainly recognize a "closeted libertine" as it were from a mile off.

Tell me all about it. 16:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(talk page stalker) A co-worker? At least she's not a cow worker. ... I know a closet bovine veterinarian when I see one! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agnostic behavior in hens

Job 38:36) -- Me123

"The repercussions of not providing adequate foraging and scratching opportunities to hens are that agnostic behaviors increase." - [105] I'm guessing they meant

agonistic behavior, but it made me wonder: what does agnostic behavior in hens look like? Levivich 03:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Well, according to [106] agnostic behaviors include "head pecks, steps, pushes, threats, and chases", so that's what you can expect when the seeds of doubt are sown in the coop. I suppose you want us to believe you just happened to be reading Chapter 8, ("Enrichments in Cages") in Egg Innovations and Strategies for Improvements.

Anyway, that rooster did deny Him three times, or something. Also:

• "The hens in our charter flock turned me from chicken agnostic to borderline obsessed." [107]
• "But what does the American Egg Board think? ... 'We are agnostic in that respect,' said Dresner, the group’s spokesman." [108]
• The Agonism and the Exorcism
• Agnostic behavior in an attorney^[1]

EEng 04:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First

e e cummings to me. And of course no one just happens to be reading Chapter 8, ("Enrichments in Cages") in Egg Innovations and Strategies for Improvements. I happened to be reading Chapter 7 and went too far. Levivich 13:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

"If they ate it avidly while stamping their feet and scattering it here and there, the augury was favorable... "Maybe they could predict bitcoin movements? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is every egg sacred, too, or just the Roman ones? Levivich 15:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well. Hobby farmers. Of course they "used to be chicken agnostic". —valereee (talk) 16:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Every egg is estimable, no ovum otiose. EEng 16:22, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: Islamic miracle chicken .... or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:EEgg. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zombie Easter Egg? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Or just playing chicken. (Actually, I didn't know that it was a game bird.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You put yo left arm out.... yo right arm too!" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I count on Martin to be my wing-man. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You got it dude! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I abide. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See also: The picture I posted here. (But first, cross your legs.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

1. ^ Seriously, if you've never read this, do. Brilliant and beautiful.

Ok

Re the Talk:Grigori Rasputin archive page size I'll admit 100K seems fine to me but ok. Keeping your edit summary of jumping around from one little page to another little page to another little page serves no one. This is the modern age -- 500K is nothing. in mind I moved it back to 700K and am assuming that will be more agreeable going forward. Cheers.Shearonink (talk) 17:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See User:EEng#correct. Saves time. EEng 17:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well I carefully thought about the size of archive pages and I decided if someone else finds a different size better-suited to their enjoyment of Wikipedia, more power to them. Shearonink (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your discernment is impeccable. EEng 20:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As per the talk section immediately above, it may not necessarily be impeckable. (And whatever you do, never say "your pecker is discernable.") --Tryptofish (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Or even "your pecker is indiscernable." We can't have talk pages getting too small, can we. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you understand, Shearonink, this kind of behavior goes on all the time around here and you mustn't take it personally. EEng 21:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

True, I (followed by Martin) took this discussion down-hill awfully fast, even by the standards of this page. Sorry, EEgg. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, wait a minute! This was about Rasputin? And about size? OMG! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bah. I've seen photos of that pickled pecker. I ain't impressed.

Tell me all about it.

21:36, 2 August 2021

The "standards of this page", lol. Don't worry Shearonink, plenty deeper depths to plumb, I'm sure. -- Peter Pecker 123 (talk) 21:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Yeah, I was gonna say (or at least try to say) "Peter Piper picked a pep of pickled peckers", but Marty beat me to it. Stop beating me! Help! Help! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Piper plumbed a pot of pickled pecker. A pickled pecker poked a part of Peter Piper. If Peter Piper poked a popsy with a pickled pecker, where's the pot of pickled peckers Peter Piper plumbed?

Tell me all about it. 21:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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MPants Piper popped a plot of POV pushers. MPants pecker poo-pooed Rasputin's pickled pee-pee. Pickled plumbing pecked at Panties... oh, nevermind. --Pipefish (American pickerel) 21:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

So much for

ichthyophobia. See what your blatant gherkin madness can do to poor girls like this!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply

]

Oooh, topical word play. Gettin' fancy on me.

Ask me where my handle comes from. 22:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Afraid of me? That would be trypophobia, you lotus blossoms! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bah!

That's nothing. I've actually got Lotusphobia. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply

]

Well, you are what you eat. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rules for DYK's review requirement

Hi there. My edit brought about a fix to the RfC listing entry; your revert caused it to break again, along with the full listing (see

brief statement of the matter at hand, mostly copypasted from what you had already written. Please undo your revert so that the RfC listings are no longer broken; if you like, you can omit the signature but the timestamp does need to stay. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

There really is something seriously wrong with you. Pasting my signature onto something that I did not write is falsification, even if it's "mostly copypasted" from something I actually did write (well, half of it anyway – the other half was stuff you just pulled out of your ass) .

Every interaction I have with you is over your apparent belief that editors should twist themselves into pretzels to accommodate some broken bot, or that an article must omit something it ought to include because someone's spellchecking kiddiescript can't handle it, or something like that. Editors and readers outrank software. It exists for us, not we for it. Fix the software, don't harangue people to bend to the robot's mindless demands. Get that through your head. EEng 01:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose you can calm down and take a deep breath, please? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was after calming down. He's lucky I didn't reach through the internet and throttle him. EEng 14:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If I need to calm down and take a deep breath, I dress up as Cleopatra and rub strawberry jam all over myself. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a second, Ritchie. Did you write that, or did someone paste your signature onto something mostly copypasted from what you had already written? [109] [110] EEng 14:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I didn't write that. I prefer raspberry jam. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strawberry jam?? Very over-rated. ""He said, "D'you want it pasturised? Cause pasturised is best," She says, "Ernie, I'll be happy if it comes up to my chest."". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jam's overrated in general. Just eat fruit. —valereee (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooo no! A Wiki Called Malice?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just another day on this talkpage. EEng gets himself into a jam, and Martin milks it for all it's worth. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha. And don't forget our own resident Ritch Admin Pharaoh. --Peter Carter-Ruck Off 123 (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Point of fact: the RfC processes (including maintenance of the listings) are undertaken by
  don't punch out at me for trying to explain where problems lie. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  You must have some kind of hi-tech exoskeleton that block entry of any kind of clue. I've known you for years, and every time you "explain where problems lie", you always, automatically, implicitly, and unfailingly blame humans for not conforming to some technical stupidity, as you did in your OP here and are now doing again. It's incredible. I have no "problem with how the bot operates", you have a problem with how it operates, you are upset that it's not doing what you feel it should do, but for some reason you came here to complain to me about what it was doing, and wanted me to fix it. You go talk to the bot operator. I don't give a shit. Do you get it now? EEng 22:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Okay, now we've discussed my sexual preferences for jam, the serious point. I've met Redrose in real life and he's a nice guy, and not the sort of chap to bite your head off, so I think "the other half was stuff you just pulled out of your ass" is misguided. More to the point, if you haven't seen the recent drama on ANI and Arbcom (and to be honest those of us who have wish we hadn't), there's a bit of a push to take
  WP:CIVIL a bit more seriously, and I'd hate for you to be caught in the crossfire. Even though I know that a "you have been blocked for personal attacks for 24 hours / 1 week / 6 months / 47 years / the age of the universe" message here from an obliging admin doesn't defuse drama, it diffuses it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Wholly concur that Redrose64 is one of the most moderate, reasonable and collaborative editors, not some kind of mutant cyborg Arnie on steroids. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  He can be all those things and still have the stubborn blind spot I've described. EEng 22:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Ritchie, he fabricated a post (out of stuff he made up -- i.e. "pulled out of his ass") and forged my sig to make it look like I had written it, all because he couldn't sleep at night knowing that some bot's output had unbalanced braces. Did you miss that? I'm glad he's sweet in person but stupid sweetness is not enough. He has yet to give even the slightest acknowledgement of that wrongness of what he did, so instead of talking to me how 'bout you try to get him to do that? Good seeing you, BTW. EEng 22:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, I went to look at what happened, and here is what I think. EEng wrote the top part of an RfC, the part that appears on the list(s) of active RfCs, with his signature and timestamp at the end. It's an incredibly verbose and lengthy RfC introduction an RfC introduction written in EEng's unmistakable style. As a result, when the bot listed it on the RfC list page, the lengthy RfC introduction appeared with a correct link to the talk page where the RfC is. As is supposed to happen. But it was difficult (maybe impossible, but I didn't try very hard) to find EEng's autograph at the end of the introduction. As is not supposed to happen, not to mention a grievous loss for everyone who breathlessly waits to see EEng's wonderful username.

So Redrose added some text at the top of the talk page section, to create a brief RfC question, and put EEng's signature at the end. And the bot did whatever it did at the RfC list page.

And EEng objects to having something written by someone else, but over his signature, when he, in fact, did not write it. I'd object to that, too. EEng was right to take offense at it, and Redrose should not have done it that way, even though Redrose was acting in good faith and sincerely believed that he was making the RfC work better.

So, Redrose, please don't do that again. You can ask the RfC-initiating editor to make it shorter, or you can just let it go and not worry about. The world does not come to an end if the RfC list page looks messy. (Probably, fewer editors will respond to the messy-looking RfC, which has a certain poetic justice to it.)

And EEng, calm the fuck down.^[FBDB] You're usually such a sweetie pie.^{[dubious – discuss]} And nobody needs a yelling match. And Ritchie is right about the recent spate of ANI clusterfucks over being nice and not using "fuck" in a sentence. It wouldn't be worth having an ANI experience over that. I've just spent the last few days dealing with a couple of those ANI threads, and I'm getting too old for this shit. (I used to be an old fart, but I ran out of gas). --Tryptofish (talk) 22:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time. For the record, it's not that my RfC intro was long, but rather that it incorporated a collapse box containing the discussion of the prior proposal, and that confuses the bot (details on request). EEng 00:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Needless to say, but I'll say it anyway: you're welcome. No need for any bot-ly details. And it's good to know that you did not, in fact, suffer a loss of blather control. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm wondering if you're going to rip Shibbolethink a new one for moving your AE comment, giving it a new section and adding a ping. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't. Them's the rules. Comment in yer own seck-shun. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I knew it. They're all

in it together!! Winstonsmith123 (talk) 22:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Not to mention

the Cabal. No, really, don't mention it! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

One fish, two fish, cat fish, dog fish

I came across something that might be useful to the curator of museums.

From our article on Catshark: "Catsharks are ground sharks of the family Scyliorhinidae. They are one of the largest families of sharks with around 160 species placed in 17 genera. Although they are generally known as catsharks, many species are commonly called dogfish..."

--Tryptofish (talk) 19:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is a ground shark anything like a land shark? EEng 20:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you ground it, you are less likely to be shocked by it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But the land shark is, indeed, a swell shark. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For those unfamiliar with the topic, in a typical pod of sharks, there are (1) the positive (or "hot") shark, (2) the negative shark, and (3) the ground shark. Together, they form what is called a "plug". When met by another group of sharks, those other sharks are called a "receptacle". The combination of a plug and a receptacle results in a "circuit". --Electric fish (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great!! Enjoyed our delicious shark pod, why not try our tasty Lobster Bisque?? -- Bikini Whale 123 (talk) 20:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But don't be fooled by a rubber eel. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooooooo. Does it taste anything like a rubber chicken?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It goes well with a Rubber Biscuit. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes. The original's always best. "You want fries with that?" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What a great recording that is! And from 1956, the year I was born. (Sorry, that's not funny, but I just wanted to say it.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, lovely. A great year for canals and goulash. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Age before beauty, cutie! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia search algorithm reads your soul

I thought this was odd, then I looked at your user page to try to see why this happened. I failed to see anything. Does this mean something to you? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The description matches Wikipedia:Queen Elizabeth slipped majestically into the water. Why the search algorithm thinks that is EEng's profile is a different question. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It scans the page until it gets to User:EEng#Queen Elizabeth slipped majestically into the water, and that's the first short desc it runs into. Could have been worse -- it could have picked up deranged sociopath (from the images after the big blue box in User:EEng#You might say he fucked the country over). EEng 21:42, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

goalpost movement, misdescription, and harrassment

"The stuff about goalposts and "misdescribing" is just shit you made up."

• When someone asked "if we have a speedy consensus to remove the above mentioned phrase", you set the goalpost by saying "Give it a couple of days." So we gave it a couple days, something closer to a week, during which there were no fresh objections to the edit... at which point you reverted the edit. Having met passed the original goalposts you set was not sufficient.
• in your reversion summary, you said "A couple of people saying they don't get the point isn't enough to remove it". It was more than two people, and they were saying more than that they don't get the point. It was a consensus in a discussion that you were choosing to misdescribe.
• You addressed me as "pilgrim" in that reversion summary, in a manner that reflects the way racist John Wayne would use in on-screen personas to address those he felt superior to . When I took offense at that, you seem to have reckoned that you had found a way under my skin and chose to, like some second grade playground bully, use it repeatedly to refer to me in a little harassment campaign.

I ask that you retract the claim about me making shit up. I warn that if you continue your harassment campaign, I am willing to take it to ANI. --Nat Gertler (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• "Pilgrim" could easily be seen as addressing you as a farsighted explorer and adventurer, an honorable name although with puritan overtones. And call John Wayne a racist to his face, double dare you! Randy Kryn (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  "... get off your horse and drink your milk"..... or, well, something like that, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Martinevens, with your racist film clip you are obviously mocking me because I stutter, you goddamned mean son of a bitch. If you continue your harassment campaign I am willing to take you to ANI (where I will buy you a drink...hell, why not, a round for everyone). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well Gee, howdy, pardner! Make mine "

Milk of amnesia"! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

[for those humor impaired and/or Code Enforcement Officer wannabbes, 1) what the heck are you doing on this talk page?, 2) watch the whole John Wayne clip linked by Martinevans which explains my code-unenforced language.] Randy Kryn (talk) 22:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uh-oh, looks like we may now have some "discussion board" progress... maybe someone's looking for a "megablock"? ^[FBDB] Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our visitor refers to [111]:

• Couple is an elastic term. In Islam, pilgrim is title of honor. And what does John Wayne's racism have to do with anything? In the old days racism was all the rage, just as indignant demands for apologies are today. Now begone before I denounce you as an Islamophobe. Pilgrim. EEng 15:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC) BTW, second-grade has a hyphen.[reply]

Wiki-seedier dramahboards

elicit feelings of discomfort or repulsion in some people. --Lotus eater 123.

I made the mistake of looking (but at least not commenting) at ANI per the notice below, and I had the misfortune of looking up higher on the page, where there is a now-closed thread about Trypophobia. And it contains a whiny comment about some talk page posts from several years ago: However, some users, such as one editor called Tryptofish, took the time to mock the concept of the disorder, and tried to have the image enlarged. The ping didn't go through to me, so I only saw it today, after closure. Apparently, I'm an SPA who adopted a name similar to the page name so that I could make fun of it. (In fact, I responded to an RfC, and asked about the strength of sourcing for the page. Obviously, I needed to be canceled.) Thanks for letting me vent. Anyway, it seems that WP has long been a place for people who get offended by stuff that shouldn't have offended them so much. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish - Tryp!!!! I am seeing a whole new side of you, now. You have been holding back on me. I was wondering where your name came from. Now we know the truth. Bad fishy!!! --ARoseWolf 21:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And here I thought that "Trypophobia" was fear of me! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, one person's fear is another person's magnet --ARoseWolf 21:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You said it. Fun for all the family! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pilgrim, I mean EEng, I actually did comment there after all: [112]. OK, pilgrim? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks go here

Your father engages in

subtle vandalism. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:18, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries." etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 1 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Oh ya? Well you choose to spend your time responding to 2-year-old posts by indeffed users, while I'm snug on the couch with my cozy, pleasant-smelling parents! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they might still appeal. But yes, it's much safer commenting and knowing one will get no reply. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]

"Your

father smelt of Crataegus monogyna." etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Solid. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... rockin' it, dude. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC) [reply]

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Nat Gertler (talk) 18:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you want my advice, you took a wrong turn at I can certainly see how some might not see that as offensive. EEng 01:16, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't annoy me. I can easily withhold support of your quirky sense of humour, in the future. GoodDay (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  You talkin' to me? EEng 01:16, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I like GoodDay, and I like EEng, and I also think there is something going on here that EEng would do well to learn from. I saw the exchange between the two of you at ANI. Basically, GoodDay said, in a supportive way, that worse things have been said about him, and EEng replied that that's because he's a worse person. When I read it at the time, I found it funny, and understood it to be a joke. But it sounds like GoodDay took it seriously. And neither one of us (GoodDay and I) is right or wrong in how we interpreted it. That's the limitation of online humor, where affect is not apparent in text. And frankly, that's similar to what happened with Nat and "pilgrim". EEng thought it was no big deal, and Nat did not. So EEng, as much as I personally like your sense of humor, don't give up your day job. You aren't as clever as you think you are. It's not the other person's fault if they don't get your joke. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I forgot to add: if you look here (towards the end of the section), you will see EEng telling me that I'm better than a root canal. I took that as humorous, too, and that's the way that I took the comment to GoodDay. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"We can't just focus on Butt, you know."

File:Coppertone.jpg

• I feel there should be an essay in this, or maybe a Burma-shave -- Levivich? [113] EEng 00:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  We must be neutral in ratio
  Avoid any locus non-apropos
  Forget not Millet's mixed love mileau
  We can't just focus on Butt, you know
  Burma-shave

  Levivich 04:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• You're like a jukebox, thanks! EEng 04:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • But, but, but.... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is nothing sacred? Norman Buttkiss 123 (talk) 22:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedian
    List of catgirls about whether Hermione Granger, who was once turned into a cat-like creature but only temporarily, should be listed, which has now blossomed into an ANI thread. Levivich 19:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • Only on Wikipedia! Some people are pains in the butt, and others are insufferably catty. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey bitches. Time ya'll took a week off to
      Detox! Things can get a bit juicey, can't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply
      ]

October 2021

I have asked you before to stop being aggressive yet you choose to continue being belligerent there with disrespectful and unnecessary wording like "your own damn fault". I am asking you again to stop that and to be civil. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:17, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I frequently check on the background behind these sorts of complaints, and far be it from me to object to requests for EEng to be nicer to people, but – good grief! This is over a fringey claim, where the talk page discussion has, by my count, six editors telling SW to back down, and zero agreeing with him. Looks to me like it's his own damn fault. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Yes, and some people claim that there's a woman to blame, But I know it's my own damn fault." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a question on an article talk page. Only this user addressed the matter with an abundance of personal scolding. That's what I wrote about here, not article content. On that page, I have already given up on the question I asked, yet the scolding only continues and worsens. If several of you wish to enable and support and reinforce that kind of behavior, that's your prerogative. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I refuse to be an enabler. EEng should stop with the scolding. He sounds like Miss Snodgrass (whoever that is). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to take your irony detector in for recalibration. EEng 15:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you know, there's irony and then there's scrap irony. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Goddam it, I was going to make a scrap-irony joke right after dinner and here you beat me to it. EEng 22:41, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hark! The Master speaks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And nobody's even posted the "take a number" image there yet? Slackers. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Without more sources
there's no way
Wikipedia can say
JFK
Was kinda gay
So

drop the stick today
Burma-shave

Levivich 17:25, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Circumstance

Saw this and thought of you the Museum. Atsme 💬 📧 14:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why exactly did you think of me in particular? EEng 14:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is in your museum - think back to Dr Chrissy's passing. Atsme 💬 📧 16:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Atsme, good to see you around again! As for the dirty underwear, I don't get the joke, either, so please do tell. Of course, EEng doubtless knows his way around the dungeon museum better than I do. But what I remember from Dr Chrissy's passing was that EEng commented that the impalement image Dr Chrissy had put on their page looked... something, in the context of the note about his being deceased. Of course, if you're just telling EEng to change his underwear... --Tryptofish (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the last response but we had a frightful storm yesterday evening which knocked out the power for nearly 6 hours. For easy reference, see EEng's "Museum of I Shouldn't Laugh but I Did". It's self-explanatory. Atsme 💬 📧 19:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See, I got it (almost) right! (Frightful storm, eh? That's what happens when I smite someone!) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, Archangel Trypto. I see you more as Angel Summoner to Atsme's BMX bandit (...soon to be replaced by "Gymkhana Girl"): [118]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been called arch from time to time (but no, my name is not Archie). But I can honestly say that no one (except, maybe, my mother) has ever called me an angel. I'm finally moving up in the world! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know ... * that

King sprog after The Drells' lead singer? True story. [119] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I am rarely ever smitten by celebrity as it appears Harry & Meghan must be, and even less so smited, at least not in the way Tryp presented it (no offense intended to the god of thunder & lightening). My most recent smitings have been brought on by this seemingly never ending move with all the accompanying memories. Oh, and the last link I included in my post will take you to an interesting bit of music history. Atsme 💬 📧 21:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh yes, thanks for that. I now feel strangely liberated. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

...for writing

WP:Principle of some astonishment. I just stopped myself from writing "The House of Lords passed the Pains and Penalties Bill 1820 in 1820." Sunrise (talk) 08:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

I am but the humble initiator of that page; many hands helped. You may wish to peruse User:EEng#User_essays_worth_reading for further ways of wasting your afternoon. EEng 13:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting the split on engineering glossary

I started a discussion on the talk page. You're welcome to join in if you are interested. Talk:Glossary_of_engineering:_A–L#Reverting_the_split Ergzay (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

source

Hey, how did you get access to Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion? It's from Yale University Press theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:39, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yale, huh? Oh, I'm gonna be watching for the reply to this one! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Trypy, my friend,was it everything you hoped for? --ARoseWolf 17:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, our curator just ignored my dig at him. And this from someone who once went ballistic when I admitted that Yale has better architecture than Harvard does. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC) (Harvard, '78)[reply]

Not sure what you mean by "how did you [i.e. me, EEng] get access", because I don't recall ever having seen the title before. But if there's something you need from it I can get it. EEng 00:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, right, that's my mistake. I'm looking for anything about Cwmhiraeth that's in there, although I'm told it's not much. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, just to be clear, you're looking for stuff about Cwmhiraeth, not Cwmhiraeth, right? Because I don't think there will be much about the latter in there. It may be a week or more, but I'll take a look and see what's there. EEng 04:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cwmhiraeth the hamlet is just an innocuous little place that sprang up as part of the development of the woollen industry in Wales in the nineteenth century. I doubt you will find much about it online. My only association with the hamlet is that a relation used to live there and I liked the evocative name. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ridicuous. Everyone know the Hamlet's in Denmark. EEng 05:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And here I thought that hamlet is what you put on a hamlet and cheeselet sandwich. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking for stuff on Cwmhiraeth, yeah. Although it would seem that the jig is already up. I'm still open to any stuff if you've got it, though, thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, our Dame Judi is related to Hamlet. Well, to his personal astrologer anyway. Just sayin' Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What in the world are you talking about? EEng 13:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If only I knew. You're the one who mentioned something rotten in the state of Denmark. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Martin's just giddy because Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion both have enough vowels in them to be pronounceable. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eeeewww no, Carmarthenshire has those nasty Saesneg vowels in, look you. You must mean Sir Gaerfyrddin! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bowellism and vowelism? Tripe! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We're at your service at TripeAdvisor! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC) I made a real effort to choose the least objectional bowel link there, honestly.[reply]

Very good! No one wants to see the sausage made with natural casings. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They say it's pork, but we know different: [120]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that looks like quite the Welsh rarebit! (Or a blushing bunny?) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC) Insert joke about spotted dick here. But don't insert a spotted dick here. And now, get off EEng's lawn! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Tripe Advisor meets Blather Control [121]. EEng 21:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • #"We can't just focus on Butt, you know." --Tryptofish (talk) 21:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Vast and cavernous"

As someone who recently had a panic attack at level D of the Widener stacks, I was happy to discover that Wikipedia agrees on their cavernousness. JBchrch talk 16:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Next time remember your compass, sandwich, and whistle. [122] EEng 17:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vex-byst ... etc.

Hey, that's great to see, and so very well put (as usual).

I love your user page, eg. the Museum of Stable Geniuses. In fact, it rivals only Martin's talk page for that welcome combination of a) sanity-restoring absurdist humour and b) the potential for making an editor completely forget the reason they went to the page in the first place. JG66 (talk) 04:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The credit is all yours. The sad part, though (and take this from me), is that you will probably never do anything that good ever again in your life, and when you're 70 you'll be saying "Did I ever tell you about the time I coined the Wikinym vexbysterang?" And immediately people will remember that they promised to change the catbox or pick up their mother-in-law at the airport, and before you know it the room will be clear. EEng 05:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, I was just thinking along those lines myself – it's far more satisfying to have helped inspire

WP:VEXBYSTERANG than anything else I've done here. Even more so now that you've (most kindly) afforded me a voice on your Hall of Fame/Shame, Smoke and Mirrors. Seriously. JG66 (talk) 05:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

If such a thing existed, don't you think we would have been hit with one by now? Levivich 01:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng?

For a while I've mused... Electrical Engineer? No... has a sense of humor. Mmm...So? Let me offer la bonne juste... ETA is in the arrivals column. Thanks for the use of your talk page. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 02:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An electrical engineer with a sense of humor? SHOCKING! EEng 04:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Positively Edisonian! — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 10:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I call you 'Edwin Engelbarth' in my head. Jip Orlando (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]

(

too rude to share here. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Nothing's too rude to share here. EEng 17:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is just begging for trouble —valereee (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Nothing? Oh, good. I'll get working on it right now. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Awww, poor EEng. This Talk page is like a paperback novel, (... the kind that drug stores sell). **dabs eye with tissue** Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of my most favorite novels are paperback (lol). I didn't get them from a drug store, I swear. --ARoseWolf 18:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

paperback rider? ghost rider? Nicholas Cage? — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 18:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]

I don't know what those are. One of my very first paperback books was Tolkien's Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. I also kept a collection of Mark Twain short stories in paperback form. I believe I have a paperback copy of Edgar Allen Poe poems I picked up on my travels. I don't keep much but books I will keep. --ARoseWolf 19:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Cage's more awful films — way back, as a kid, visiting grandparents in a small town, I spent summer afternoons sitting on the town library floor, reading every science fiction work, book by book, shelf by shelf. When I began to purchase books for myself, paperback books were $0.35 new—turn in two old ones and get one back. Heaven—I grew up on a farm & had little interest and further helpings of outdoors. Now, penitential, I caretake novelist's bios here. William Gibson, whose first novel, Neuromancer started the cyberpunk genre as an ACE paperback for under a dollar. The Peripheral, the first of a new trilogy-two published so far, is set in the near future. He's talked of as an important modern author of novels in English—genre or no. Usually has a resourceful woman in the foreground—sort of as I'd wanted my daughter to be in similar situations (she's 35 now and handles any situation well.) Try an Apple Books sample if you're in that ecology. Well, I run on, but so happy to meet a rose wolf in this wild party—All Tomorrow's Parties is another Gibson title. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 22:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)@ARoseWolf:^ Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 22:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC) [reply

]

I knew we'd get a mention of AN/I sooner or later. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't do it...this time, Martin.

Thank you for the explanation, Neonorange. I don't mind wordy explanations. The more information the better. I am so happy to meet an...orange...that is neon (lol). Its a peculiar name but I like it. My parents bought me a used set of encyclopedias of the world when I was younger and I spent so much time just reading its pages. I was both thrilled and scared when I went to visit some of those locations years ago. The encyclopedias weren't entirely correct but they were close enough it didn't bother me too much. Most every language I know, with exception of Hebrew, Italian and Yiddish, I learned on my own from books and such. I didn't do much else growing up. I love reading from a book and still find time to do it. --ARoseWolf 16:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]

I did read books as a child, but they were more like this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You sure, Threesie? "swoon". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In 1952, computer ≡ science fiction—well, mostly. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 13:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contact Us / Article subjects

This looks much better than what's currently in Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects. However, I think this needs to be tested on the mobile, Android and iOS Wikipedia apps first to make sure it is factually correct. I've never tried using them (like Cullen328, I use the desktop browser on mobile and it works fine, though not as practical as an actual desktop PC) but I'd need to double check that the image of a "Talk" header is actually what they see. The subject of the latest ANI thread is using a mobile app, and was complaining about not finding out how to appeal a block, which might be related. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if there are any problems along those lines, they were there already; all I did was cut stuff out and a little copyediting -- nothing new added. So the issues you're talking about (which are valid concerns, of course) aren't affected one way or the other, so you may as well move my sandbox over and deal with what you're talking about after that. EEng 17:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've moved it over - it's certainly better than what was there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks. But I hasten to point out that -- though it may seem unjust -- I have yet to reach the point where I have my own WP: shortcut -- see edit summary at [123] ;P . EEng 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know, you can't fix blatant howlers in edit summaries and need to get them right first time. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blatant howlers. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Mobile communication bugs summarizes these problems and Suffusion of Yellow is very knowledgeable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What, no complaint about the length of my talk page? EEng 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Once I have made a point, I try not to repeat it. Plus, smartphones are more powerful these days, and my current phone does not choke on your talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Already tried that. The joke wore thin. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:41, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question (not joking for once) about edit notice

I just noticed (belatedly) that User talk:EEng/Editnotice has some stuff in it that resembles some vandalism that was recently reverted ([124]). (The stuff about "new things at bottom" with blurry stuff superimposed.) I don't want to change it myself, but EEng, you may want to repair it if it's not intended. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• (TPS) It's been in EEng's Editnotice for ages. I'm guessing the vandal stole it from there. Black Kite (talk) 22:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I realized that, which is part of why I didn't change it, but still.... --Tryptofish (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it just appeared one day and since crazy things are always happening around here it seemed like just one more nutso thing. EEng 22:47, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you want the nutso to be less-so, either of us could do-so. Or not-so. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the fun in that? EEng 21:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was Cards84664's brilliant idea.[125] "Clean up" apparently. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No idea who the IP is, but I guess they have good taste. Cards84664 00:49, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since our curator enjoys it, I think that's that. Any change is not in the cards.^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 17:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And you'll be here all week, I take it? EEng 18:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I get kicked out. New things at the bottom. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improving the project page Article Size

Thank you for going through the project page Wikipedia:Article size line by line and thinking about what is being said and removing bad sentences or sections. Mburrell (talk) 04:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As they say in Russia, you ain't seen nothing nyet. EEng 04:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today Wikipedia:Article size, tomorrow Wikipedia:User talk page size?^[FBDB] —David Eppstein (talk) 06:29, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quite your complaining. I archived something just the other day. EEng 12:41, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Only because you were worried about William Shatner shouting out "LOOK! There's EEng's talk page!" after lift off. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:47, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Worse and worse. The Starship Enterprise didn't "lift off"; it was built in space. Honestly, one would think you were born in the 19th century or something. EEng 15:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who said anything about the Enterprise? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm strictly 20th c. EEng 21:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

“No comment”

Can somebody explain to me why this edit doesn’t display a comment as intended? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:23, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333 *old mechanic voice* "Well there's your problem, ya dun used en-dashes instead of them regular dashes." CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 08:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shiver me timbers, ya got it Cap’n. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:18, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not regular dashes but hyphens. A hyphen is not a dash. My GOD, what are they teaching in the schools these days? EEng 12:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously not that, as I couldn't find the relevant dash hyphen key on a smartphone. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we need more than one dash/hyphen? What additional information does n-dash vs m-dash vs hyphen communicate? —valereee (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What are you, tryin' to start a war? Levivich 22:32, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Or trying to dash our hopes? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphens are people too, you know, oh dash it! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In all seriousness, User:Valereee, dashes have a myriad of uses, and in most of them it really does matter which one is which, the different sizes communicating slightly different relationships between whatever's on either side. However, there is one very prominent use – the "interrupting" dash, such as in this very sentence – in which it doesn't matter which one you use, and from that people get the idea that they're interchangeable in all uses‍—‌which they're not. (That was two ens followed by one em, either one of which was acceptable in that use -- except that I shouldn't have used a mix in a single sentence or indeed in a single work. And just now, BTW, I gave an example of what's called a "typewriter dash".) EEng 00:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

two ens followed by one em: en, en, em – not to be confused with Eminem (plural: M&M's). Levivich 02:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In all seriousness, I agree with EEng. --Tryptofish (talk) 11:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In most uses? Color me ignorant. :D I would not have thought that. And I'll probably never do the required research unless someone says something that makes it actually sound interesting. —valereee (talk) 21:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey valereee, that dash before your signature is too long: –valereee, not —valereee. ^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And in all seriousness, EEng agrees with me. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tryptofish, I can see the difference, and I agree but I don't know how to tell it to do that. —valereee (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, I was kidding around, so please don't feel like you have to do anything just because I said so. (And it made me realize that the way that I do my own signature – for which I just use the default WP format, with nothing personalized – uses a double-hyphen ( -- ), which I like the least of all. So, there you go!) Anyway, the shorter one is an "n-dash" and the longer one is an "m-dash". If your edit window looks like my edit window, just below where the text being edited appears, there is a drop-down menu starting with "Insert". Just to the right of that are two dashes, the first one being the "n" and the second being the "m", and you can click on the one you want, to insert it where you are editing. You can change from one to the other on the first page of your user preferences. But you don't have to unless you want to. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• On American roads, yellow lines separate lanes of traffic going in opposing directions, and white lines separate lanes going in the same direction; you should never find yourself with a yellow line to your right (except when passing). Perhaps not 1 driver in 100 could tell you that, and yet if you put drivers in a simulator going down a lane with a yellow line on their right, most will immediately realize something's wrong, even if they can't tell you exactly what it is. Dashes are the same (sayeth the dash pedant). EEng 22:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thus speaks someone who obviously has not dealt with Southern California freeway carpool lanes and the double-yellows that often separate them from the rest of traffic, to their right. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Some ignorant person at CalTrans, apparently. EEng 12:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • On British roads, traffic going in opposing directions is often separated by Insulate Britain protestors with their faces super-glued to the road. You should never find yourself with a climate activist under your wheels. Perhaps not 1 driver in 100 could tell you that, and yet if you put drivers in a simulator with realistic bone-crunching sounds, most will immediately realize something's wrong, even if they can't tell you exactly what it is. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Summary style

Wikipedia:Summary style#Article size may need an update after changes to the "Article size" page.--Moxy- 21:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, but I fear we're already living on borrowed time with the changes I've made (with remarkably little pushback) to WP:SIZE, because (I suspect) there are many more watchers are over at

WP:SPLIT. So really we've got three different loci for changes; we need to bring those interested in all three pages (SIZE, SPLIT, Summary style) together for a come-to-Jesus. And like I've said, but keep forgetting to remind myself, I've really got some important IRL stuff to do that demands I conserve the kind of concentration needed for a policy overhaul like this. EEng 21:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Ha! How did you find a picture of me, if I had blonde hair, if I had long hair, if I had any hair? And it was Summer and I was sitting on a dock wearing a red dress. --ARoseWolf 12:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So does that mean you are six feet tall and, um, bodacious? —valereee (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More like 175cm and not so that but one can dream dreams. I do miss my hair and it's growing back so slowly. --ARoseWolf 16:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not far off. You can have my hair if you like, Rose, I'm not exactly short of it and it was especially bad when the barbers were all shut during lockdown. And my dad's still got a full head of hair going into his mid 70s, so it's not going to change. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetness, my girls used to braid wild flowers into my hair (lol). It was three and half to four feet long. Hopefully I'll get there again one day. --ARoseWolf 17:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It was three and half to four feet long." So is the height of a pile of

A4 paper if you printed out the entirety of this talk page onto it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Someone is pissed at you

Lol, Coming from AD's tp, I came across this (ip with just one edit) so just who did you piss off this time? Any clues? Celestina007 (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(for those not using mobile apps, a more conventional diff is here) As for who it is, if in doubt, say IceWhiz. Enough people will believe you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't interpret it as someone being pissed at me. Quite the opposite: I'm being held up as a beacon of hope to downtrodden talk-page owners. EEng 17:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why should the mobile app automatically send a mobile-app-centric diff? I use the desktop version when on my iPad and Celestina007's diff flipped the display on Safari from desktop to mobile version. Seem's the version chosen for the displaying device ought to be dispositive. (I favor a third choice—an acolyte currying flavor) — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 13:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indenting

Howdy. Maybe if you were to 'write' in (don't have to ping) the editor you're responding to, that would help one figure out who you're responding to. GoodDay (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indenting is to help people see, at a glance, which comment follows on from which other comment. Your changes made it look like someone was talking to me when they were actually talking to someone else. EEng 18:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't have made that mistake, if you were to 'name' the person you're responding to. The Discussion has several editors participating, so it would be helpful. GoodDay (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You'd need to ask everyone to do that, but anyway it's not needed since the indenting indicates it. I don't know why you're fooling with it. EEng 19:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just forget it. Do what ever you want. GoodDay (talk) 19:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm IndentBot!

I see that you are using a talk page but may have the formatting wrong! Allow me to completely bork it and change the meaning! IndentBot (talk) (JO) 16:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Hi, I'm Do-what-ever-you-want-Bot! I see that someone has told you to do what ever you want, but may have given you the wrong idea! Allow me to suggest other trivia you can do what you like with. -- Do-what-ever-you-want-Bot (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional post-sanction rituals

• Gnashing of teeth
• Pulling of hair
• Cleansing the userpage
• Rending the signature
• Swearing retirement oaths
• Declaration of bad omens
• Prophesizing the end of times
• Prayers to Jimbo

Someone must have written this essay already? If not... Levivich 13:40, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Darn, looking at the diff I thought that was going to be a Burma-shave. The 7 stages of post-sanction grief? EEng 13:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What would the last stage be? Cuz it sure as hell ain't acceptance. Levivich 14:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rising from the dead. EEng 14:30, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Followed by ...

SPI and community ban. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Followed by ritual grave dancing. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Followed by...sanctions for the grave-dancers. It's the circle of life! —David Eppstein (talk) 00:00, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joke

I didn’t mean to steal your joke, but thanks for making me chuckle in these exasperating times. Dronebogus (talk) 08:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Imitation is the flattest form of sincerity. EEng 01:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And speaking of jokes and the Article Rescue Squadron, here's my favorite of their jokes: they actually wanted to Keep this joke of an article: https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_electric_shocks_on_railways . EEng 16:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"

Donald Trump is a ... well, you know

"

Trump "fanboys" who stalk this page may be interested in this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333, since you and I are Facebook friends, you know my real thoughts about Trump (which are sharply negative for those who don't read my Facebook posts). That being said, I am uncomfortable using DYK and the main page for political digs against the guys with really bad haircuts. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So I take it you wouldn't be happy about

Did you know ... that donaldtrumpi has a scaly yellowish head and small genitalia?

–? EEng 08:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of bruises, but we're still around

Is it Wikipedia or is it certain editors. This project can be really weird at times :) GoodDay (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anything in particular you're referring to? EEng 06:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say, less I be accused of

WP:CANVASS. I'm always being watched. GoodDay (talk) 06:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Well you've come to the right place for a discreet talk away from prying eyes. EEng 06:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Best that I don't. Sorry to have bothered you. GoodDay (talk) 06:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds a bit ominous. EEng 06:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but could possibly be the J.K. Rowling flap, in

this VPP discussion where GoodDay participated, and where I had made a failed ping to you and came here to remedy it, finding when I got here that GoodDay had gotten here first. Mathglot (talk) 03:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

What going on at Rowling's BLP is a tragic-comedy. But, that's not what's got be foolish. 2021 has been an interesting year on Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it bigger than a breadbox? EEng 03:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Follow the trail, in reverse. GoodDay (talk) 05:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You speak in riddles. EEng 21:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very clever.

Your edit summary is very clever. Unfortunately, it is so clever that it went completely over my head. What were you trying to communicate to me? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:09, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's just I was wondering what were you trying to communicate in your edit summary [126]? EEng 04:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. If you want to know more, read here. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 17:59, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DUH

I'm seeing rather too many examples of

WP:DUH recently. Is my awareness of spotting the blatantly obvious getting better, or am I just reading articles that haven't had a good oversight on them for some years (or, indeed now, decades)? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

According to the latest figures from the United States Department of Defense CounterDUH Field Activity Interagency Joint Monitoring Taskforce, incidents of WikiDUH are up 387% since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. So it's not your imagination. EEng 16:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DUH, why didn't I think of that? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Take this atrocious article, for example. It's just a load of alternative noise! Disgusting! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative noise? Pah, that's nothing! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could be worse. Better watch out for those gendered mackerels. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And here's a lovely picture for all you aspiring glam medical students. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If that's what glam has come to... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You think that's bad... ?! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Gadd! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just got to say ...

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		... the ANI Burma Shave signs were full of freaking awesome! Ravenswing 19:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This one's a classic: [127]. This one, however, has the meter a bit off: [128]. (Maybe put another

ticket.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

• For the record, I'm not sure I myself wrote even one of the many great Burma-shaves seen at User:EEng#Brilliance_from_our_esteemed_colleagues_Levivich_and_Creffpublic_and_Guy and Template:Burma-shave-notice#Notices; my contribution was suggesting the basic idea near the bottom of this ANI thread then letting others do all the actual work. A shout-out to User:Plutonical for adding a new one just today [129]. If someone wants to trawl [130] (or, more broadly, this) plus this page and my user page, and memorialize any lost gems on the template list (seen below, and linked above), that would be of great benefit to the Wikipedia community and, indeed, all of humanity. EEng 23:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you be less political on AN/I?

Persian asses

Democratic ass

Republican ass

—David Eppstein (talk) 21:47, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't like your "Baseless ass persians" edit on AN/I. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate that guy as much as you do, but at the same time, AN/I is not the place to advance a political agenda IMO.

Could you please change the word "ass" to something else? I agree with the "baseless" being a stop the steal protester, and the persians part wasn't of any concern at all, but I feel like it's just a bad idea (Plus we might lose right-leaning users to the clusterfuck that is Conservapedia if we express such bias). ☢️Plutonical☢️ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ 01:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks? Well, I could change "ass" to "deranged sociopathic moron" but then then pun doesn't work. Delusional editors inclined to decamp for Conservapedia have already gone. EEng 02:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly anyone who thinks Conservapedia is a viable alternative is probably non-regretted attrition. —valereee (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-regretted attrition (= don't go away mad, just go away) is joining Controlled flight into terrain (= pilot crashed the plane) on my list of favorite euphemisms. EEng 22:37, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EEng, you put the P in Piaf. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Wait, what? Is that why the pilaf is yellow? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In UK it's often called pillow rice, so yes. -- Golden Shower of Bengal 123 (talk) 23:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Trump did that in Russia, not Bengal. But then, I've never been that good at

pillow talk. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

He never did nuthin' ok?? --James T. Justis 123 (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Piaf? I thought that song line was by Blondie. But Google is telling me Mötley Crüe. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Controlled flight into terrain"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh no, not more Persian arses again. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  It leaves editors longing for some peace of ass. Sorry! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Only Martin could come up with "Arses of Persia". EEng 22:22, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, indeed, up his Arses! But we should all just live and let live. And yet, some people insist on sticking their noses into EEng's ass. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Hey, that's kind of rude. I wouldn't stick my nose up anyone's ass. I know noses. I have the best nose. People come up to me and say "wow, you have a great nose". ☢️Plutonical☢️ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ 03:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Only kind of rude? I was trying to be very rude. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Practice makes perfect. EEng 21:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm glad you're getting in the spirit of things, Plutonical. EEng 03:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Is your name

  Raymond Luxury Yacht? WaltCip-(talk) 17:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Who, me? EEng 19:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  My Wiki-lawyer has advised me not to comment any further so as to avoid accusations of

  WP:OUTING. WaltCip-(talk) 21:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Well, in any event my secret's out [131]. EEng 23:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  The Persian asses should shut-up. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  A man walks in to a Persian rug store. He approaches the rugs to inspect the material they are made of. He lets out a fart and then hurriedly looks around to see if anyone heard; he sees no one looking his way and relaxes a little. Interested in purchasing a rug, he approaches a sales clerk and asks for the price of the rug. The sales clerk says, "Sir, if you farted just touching it, you're gonna sh** your pants when you hear the price." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Persian rug. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Trypto, you look positively ravishing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Alas, that's not me in the picture. I actually look ravished, or maybe

  ravaged. But I'll try not to wig out. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Shame. Plenty punter pay top dollar for Fishy Persian ladyboy! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, you snake! But, dress for the season! (Plenty punter pay a pick of prickly Persians.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Peter Pershan picked a peck of prickly pickled punters?? etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alternately, replace the image with an image of Donald Trump riding a donkey so we don't know which ass the caption is referring to. Minkai (rawr!/contribs/ANI Hall of Fame) 21:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From an insufferably obnoxious, officious, and self-important part of the Wikipedian culture: I'm not sure that two alternating images would work. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, that old debate between the direct approach and the alternating. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's nothing that a well-placed iv couldn't cure. ([132]) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I should make it clear that I'm being very, very

WP:DICKish.^[FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 22:51, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply

]

Over there they call that a "Capitol offense", don't they? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Your user page makes ma laugh really hard- I can’t breath- You have such good humor Moon tw!tt (talk) 09:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday greetings (2021)

EEng,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 18:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well last year at this time I was in a Turkish prison so from a personal perspective the only way open is up. EEng 20:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then this year, I hope that you can be in a Turkish bath. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How delightful. EEng, you're just "full of Eastern promise". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC) p.s. ah, sounds lovely... Istanbul by rail! How romantic.[reply]

A somewhat premature New Year's greeting

John Vanderlyn, Ariadne Asleep on the Island of Naxos (c.1812), Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts		Best wishes for a safe, healthy and prosperous 2022.
		Thank you for your contributions toward making Wikipedia a better and more accurate place. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Moral lesson: John Vanderlyn was an American painter who studied in Paris, and his life-sized Ariadne Asleep on the Island of Naxos was one of the first large nudes exhibited in the United States. Peddling the poison as well as the cure, this overtly sensuous work was presented to the public as a moral lesson on the consequences of lascivious behavior. Visible in the distance is the ship of Princess Ariadne's secret lover, Theseus, for whom she has betrayed her people by helping him to escape the Labyrinth and slay the Minotaur. Ariadne's bliss will come to an end when she awakens from her post-coital reverie, only to discover that the faithless Theseus has sailed away without her.

• The curator has added an edit filter blocking future posts simultaneously containing the words premature and post-coital. Also see right. EEng 23:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The curator is a cock-blocker. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:30, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The editor is a Block Buster!: [133] --Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • [134]. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • OMG. How did you know that's exactly how I picture EEng!? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • And this is how EEng pictures you! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • And of course this is how everyone pictures me! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Great pectoral fins, Trypto. BTZ 123 (talk) 19:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)}}[reply]
              • You should see my
                anal fins. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply
                ]
                • Whatever you do, on your European vacations, is entirely a matter for you. Sanna Martin 123 (talk) 23:05, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                  • What happens on EEng's lawn, stays on EEng's lawn. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                    • "I was walking along the street the other day when I slipped on some dog shit. A minute later, some guy did exactly the same thing. I said to him, "I just did that." So, he punched me in the face and called me a dirty bastard." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]
• happy new year!^Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 06:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Advice sought

Hello. I am contacting you because I have seen your involvement at the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Article size#Clarification needed for "article splitting activists" and saw you did not have previous experience interacting with this user before this. Basically, I have been engaging with Onetwothreeip for three days already at Talk:Opinion polling for the next Spanish general election#January 2022 discussion and in my own talk page, who keeps exhibiting the same behavioural pattern as reported at Wikipedia talk:Article size and keeps using their own re-interpretation of that guideline to either enforce or block alternative solutions that do not suit their own view, and who keeps throwing and recycling the same arguments over and over again in an obvious effort to wear me down.

Personally, it is not the first time I have had a similar incident with this user; previous interactions in past years saw me simply accepting most of their demands just to stop the never-ending discussions. However, this is now coming over the top, since this user keeps requiring for their selected articles to be split and/or mutilated their own view, causing a large strain into other users' efforts to improve Wikipedia. Since you have been involved in a review effort at

WP:SIZE

resulting, precisely, from this and other users in-wiki "activism" against what they perceive as "large articles", I would like to seek some input from you on whether this issue should be brought to SIZE's talk page (to make this user conform to it and stop biased re-interpretations of the guideline) or even to ANI, or to point to whowever is more suited to address this situation, so that this kind of situations and behaviours are brought to an end once and for all.

Thank you and have a nice day! Impru20^talk 09:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel your pain, because this preoccupation with "size" by people who apparently don't even understand the technical fundamentals (confusing wiki source size with bandwidth consumption with any number of other things) is the worst kind of moronic gnoming by people who want to pretend they're improving things but are just wasting everyone's time. Unfortunately, in this situation there are two things that make it hard for me to get involved: (1) Most of these controversies are just about splitting, with reduction of content not part of the discussion; but here it looks like there's some question as to what content should be retained at all, and I'm not familiar enough with the subject matter to make sense of that question. And (2) I just haven't got time right now. I hate to turn down requests for help, but sometimes I just have to. Perhaps some of my glittering salon of (talk page stalker)s will take an interest. Good luck. EEng 17:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, I am not seeking for you to get involved, just on some advice on how to proceed. The discussion has been ongoing for three days and all points have been already made, but resolution is impossible because no effort has been made on their part to put up a reasoning for their changes other than some apparent "need" to reduce "download size" (then "browser size"). Normally, dispute resolution should be the next step, but in this case I am already aware of the methods of this user in particular; it is not a true dispute over content, but rather, a dispute over size and which content should be removed to get that size reduced (usually making exaggerated arguments to depict a perceived "need" for reduction, which they themselves cannot properly back in any policy or guideline or reasoning different than their own opinion). This has been like this for years and, seemingly, has affected other users as well. But it is not that he would deserve to being brought to ANI ASAP (I think he is really well-intentioned, but is basically causing a lot of trouble and wasting a lot of time and is unable to get it).

Anyway, thanks for the response and the input! Impru20^talk 18:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly not an ANI situation, but you're wrong that it's outside the domain of the usual dispute channels just because this dumb "download size" argument is being raised. EEng 19:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 2022

Wikipedia:ANI) for a period of 72 hours for making a joke out of someone's predicatment. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Doug Weller talk 13:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply

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