Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Olmsted

Add links
Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Olmsted

Michael Olmsted (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Non-notable minor league player who never made it to the majors. GNG might be possible on this one, but currently all I'm seeing is one portland paper source. As is, I don't think that's quite enough, though on this one I say delete rather weakly. Wizardman 21:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the sources provided I'm currently Neutral on this one. The fact that he's not noted in the B-R stats for that year is a concern, but they aren't 100% accurate on non-MLB stuff. He's on the line for GNG for me if I go by that, so if people think he passes it I can understand that. Wizardman 01:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete I remember there was a bit of a "thing" with this pitcher in the 2012-13 offseason. There is some coverage relating to it: [1][2] However, unless I or someone else find more of it, I'll agree with Wizardman on a weak delete. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • With the source I put below, and the possibility that he did pitch in NPB before the Hawks released him, I'll say keep. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I want to keep this one and i'm not even really sure why, but I can't find any coverage to pass GNG, so i'm gonna have to go delete.--Yankees10 18:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable minor league pitcher. Alex (talk) 01:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC) Weak keep There may be just enough coverage out there to merit an article. Alex (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep, per
    WP:BASEBALL/N
    , part 2:

    Have appeared in at least one game in any one of the following active major leagues: Major League Baseball, Nippon Professional Baseball, Korea Baseball Organization or have participated in a major international competition (such as the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team.

Subject played (click on View Full Bio) three games for the
Fukuoka Softbank Hawks a team of the Nippon Professional Baseball, and thus is considered notable per the guideline as the subject has played in a major league game. Subject of this article might be considered minor league here in The States, but not in Japan.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
He signed an Ikusei contract, which as far as I know is like a "minor league contract" in the USA. I would imagine he only played in ni-gun, rather than for the big league team.[3] EDIT: My assumption is corroborated here: [4] Alex (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not say he pitched in the minor leagues affiliate for the Softbank Hawks. The source that I had linked, does say he appeared in three games for the Softbank Hawks, that appears to be enough to pass notability requirements for baseball players.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're citing one source. Great. Rationality and common sense suggest otherwise. Alex (talk) 04:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is this RS that says that the subject played for the Softbank Hawks, that satisfies the baseball notability requirement, it does not say minor league in the source, and I am not going to assume it does.
There is also this reference: Thomas, Kevin (27 August 2012). "Sea Dogs pitcher a lesson in perseverance". Portland Press Herald. Retrieved 19 October 2014. Olmsted eventually signed with the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks in Japan, pitching in both minor league and major league games.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This article says he pitched in the minors, but makes no mention of him pitching with the big league club. Same with this one and this one and this one. Baseball-Reference doesn't list him as playing with the team, nor does The Baseball Cube. Perhaps he was with the big league team on the roster for three games, or he worked out with them briefly, or - more than likely - he pitched three games for the ni-gun team, but there is no evidence of him actually playing in NPB. But...all these articles we're finding seems to indicate he may just pass GNG anyway. Alex (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 02:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To state that the subject only pitched in the minor league in Japan is
original research. Other editors found sources verifying that the subject did pitch in minor league games in Japan. At the same time I have found sources that verify that the subject played at the major league level in Japan, at least for three games. Thus based on what can be verified the subject meets notability requirements for professional baseball players.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
It is not speculation nor is it original research, it pretty plainly spells it out in the references I listed. If he pitched in the Japanese major leagues, please post statistics of the games he pitched in. Alex (talk) 00:28, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep based on sourcing saying he played in NPB... It's odd that Baseball Reference doesnt list him as having played however. Spanneraol (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Olmsted&oldid=1070392905"