Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalia Janoszek

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The result was delete‎. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Natalia Janoszek

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It was today revealed that the whole career of this person is mostly made up. She starred in two very niche Hindi films in 2012-15, then published a book in Poland in which she introduced herself as a "Bollywood star." And she began to be invited to TV shows (including the Polish edition of Dancing with the Stars). Then she starred in an episode of

365 Days
and was an extra (she appeared on screen for 5 seconds, without any line of dialogue) in a niche American comedy.

This is actually the only thing known about her for sure. The rest is probably made up. There is a small controversy about it in Poland these days. There is also a discussion on Polish Wikipedia about the removal of this article ([1]). Marcelus (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Actors and filmmakers, and Poland. Marcelus (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Beauty pageants. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There are a lot of examples of actors faking or misrepresenting their resumes (George Lazenby comes to mind as probably the most famous). Can you clarify what you mean by her career being made up with reference to the current state of the article? As in, is there anything currently in the article that a hoax presented as fact? Curbon7 (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I was about to nominate this article. It should be noted that most likely Natalia herself created article about her on pl.wiki (account name nataliabb → aroundtheworld00), that account edited this article only. English article was also created by
    WP:PROMO. Sławobóg (talk) 18:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    I can see from Twitter that there seems to be some hubbub over this, but am unable to find solid sources. From what I can tell, these allegations are stemming from a report by Krzysztof Stanowski. I have to ask again, is there anything currently in the en.wiki article that is presented as fact but is in fact a hoax? Just because she is alleged to be a faker does not necessarily mean she is automatically non-notable, it just changes the reason for why she is notable.
    Also, the account that created the en.wiki article does not have a COI regarding the subject as far as I can tell, so it has little bearing that they are now blocked for other reasons. Curbon7 (talk) 19:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The article to mainly manipulations that are meant to create the false impression that her figure is encyclopedic. Jharkhand International Film Festival Awards is very small and non-prestigious thing that started in 2018, their website is not working and they don't even have 2000 likes on Facebook and noone heard about it, which IMO makes this article also nonencyclopedic ("She won JIFFA award twice in a row for the best international actress (2018 and 2019), thus becoming the first Polish actress awarded with an Indian film award" is laughable in this context). The only film that has an article on Wiki is Dreams, but she played such a small role there that she is not even listed as an actor on IMBd. Her "big (leading)" role is in a movie that had 16k views in theaters (1.408 billion people in India). Everything here is laughable, like mentioning some minor Miss contests, singing during some concert (!), or "She gained international recognition with her performance at the opening ceremony of the 72nd Cannes Film Festival" - how is that thing for Wikipedia? And more importantly, none of the references provide such information: the first does not work, the second mentions her name only in the title and there is nothing about her in the article, the other two are typical sucking up to the "star" by journalists. "She was spotted at Supermodel International 2012 in Bangkok and that same year she made her Bollywood debut with the lead role in Dreamz." is sourced by IMDb (!) and that information can't be found there (!!). Sławobóg (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Discussion raised at WP:BLPN. Curbon7 (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

* Speedy keep. Clearly notable, well-sourced etc. If it turns out that there are issues about truthfulness and other aspects of her career, these can be addressed in the article if properly sourced and would only add to her notability. This is not a

hoax. Lard Almighty (talk) 14:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

@Lard Almighty i just gave 2 examples of falsified references. Sławobóg (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article has 20 references. They aren't all fake. Just because someone fakes aspects of her life or career history doesn't mean she stops being notable. In fact, as I say, it can make her notable. There is no reason to delete this article. If more information can be reliably sourced it can be added. Lard Almighty (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: similar discussion right now on the Polish side] with a similar (lack of) consensus so far but also sharing a lot of the same discussion. From what I can see so far it looks like there may be more lean towards reworking the article and adding discussion about the controversy but it does not appear to be a true Hoax as we'd define it even if potentially there was early in her career.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, James of UR (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per
    WP:BLPDELETE - if a BLP of a relatively low-profile individual comes into question, policy says that deletion is a valid option. "If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, primarily containing contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion if requested." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:16, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete per Ritchie333. This for me is exactly where the spirit of our BLP policy shines through. This is not a normal set of circumstances and therefore rigidly applying the matrixes we normally would isn't the most effective way of judging this article, and hence I feel the spirit of our BLP policy is the most important guiding factor here. Daniel (talk) 00:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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