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The result was keep. ✗plicit 11:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orania Representative Council

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Article about a non-notable pseudo-governmental body that was created in 2017 (Clarification due to confusion in responses: Article was created in 2017, council was created in 1993). Article is replete with false information that is not supported by sources. Many of the sources are misleading, not in English, or just not relevant at all. Nothing about this council necessitates an article of its own. Anything that is of note is mentioned in the

talk) 11:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Keep The article states that the first election was held in 2000, not 2017, as per NOM. Also, it's the only functioning transitional representative council, 22 years after the structures were abolished, and its existence is as the result of a judicial decision. The News24 article is a
Park3r (talk) 04:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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What you wrote is pretty incorrect and misleading. Orania ceased to exist as a separate transitional representative council in 2001. The 2016 article you linked does not say they exist as a separate entity, only that they are mostly ignored. They still pay taxes, vote, and are subject to South African laws and regulations. The News24 article you linked was written in 2000.
Orania, Northern Cape
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"Orania has been an integral part of
talk) 05:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Regardless of whether it presently exists or not (and you haven't provided a
Park3r (talk) 05:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Park3r is correct. Whether the transitional representative council still exists or not is not relevant to the question of notability. Sources from 2000 are evidence of notability. The Mail and Guardian article of August 2016 is also evidence of notability.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it has coverage in independent reliable sources that addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Whether one approves or not of Oriana is not relevant to whether Wikipedia has an article on a topic (for example, we have an article on the murder of Oksana Makar, and I assume that no sane person approves of her murder).-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. The Wikipedia article was created in 2017. The council was created in 1995.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:33, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My request is not about whether or not I "approve" of the council, it is about
talk) 10:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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What you say about "none of the sources in the article focus on the representative council" is untrue.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:48, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is true actually. All of the articles focus on
talk) 06:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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News24 5 December 2000, Germiston City News 20 July 2016, Statement on Cabinet meeting of 4 April 2001 (one paragraph)-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The deletion rationale is flawed on several points. Firstly, there is no requirement for sources to be in English (see
    WP:RSUE). It would not be surprising if some of the sources on this topic were in Afrikaans. Secondly, whether the council has been subsequently abolished is irrelevant. Some very good sources have been identified above, such as the 2016 Mail & Guardian article. Concerns regarding article quality or content is best addressed by improving the article, not deleting it. AusLondonder (talk) 13:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep The current status of the council is irrelevant; but it is notable for lasting well past all other representative councils were abolished and even more so because of the racial politics of Orania.

Hussierhussier1 (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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