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South Africa

Union Stadium

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The article has no non-dead sources and searches for "Union Stadium south africa" return real information (i.e. not maps or directions). The only search results on JSTOR are a university paper in Wisconsin and a local paper in Ohio, both of which are hardly reliable sources for a stadium in South Africa. For this reason, I feel the article does not meet

general notability guidelines. WikipediaNMP (talk) 09:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly
Talk to my owner:Online 09:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wentsley Scott

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet

WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Table Mountain Challenge

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I found no significant coverage per

WP:N. SL93 (talk) 22:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and South Africa. SL93 (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Only helpful source is this one, which is still not enough to establish
WP:GNG. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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André Manuel (rugby union)

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. The closest I found to

WP:SIGCOV was probably this. JTtheOG (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Layle Delo

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Poorly sourced South African rugby union player. I am unable to find anything approaching

WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Shafkat Saeed

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. 2 of the 3 sources are primary. And the third source is just routine coverage. LibStar (talk) 12:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Yes fails GNG clearly. I did WP:BEFOER and only found some WP:ROTM coverage. Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arie Trouw

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Fails

WP:NBASIC. Previously soft deleted at AfD. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 01:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Delete: Congraph and Bloxter come up as sources, so this is more crypto-spam. I don't see this individual being covered in any RS and this reads as a fluffy resume. Oaktree b (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - after I removed the crypto sources, there's nothing there. Notability is not conferred from his daughter - David Gerard (talk) 16:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you remove the crypto section? Are you just anti-crypto or is there a Wikipedia policy against crypto? I am sure if I remove the writing section from Stephen King, his article would be fairly strange also. Adding it back. Pedestrian69 (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for a slew of reasons:

nothing on this guy's page establishes that he is notable in any way
the article's creation (and recreation) is a blatant undisclosed COI edit. The article was recreated this year by the same user who originally created it in 2022 who is in turn the same user who created his daughter's article, and whose edits to Wikipedia have almost exclusively been to promote Arie and Elise.
surely relatedly, it reads as self-promotion and family promotion to an extent that is frankly laughable. "Arie Trouw is the father of Elise Trouw, a noted musician. This connection adds a unique aspect to his public persona." - really!? This would be embarrassing to write in your bio even in a context where self-promotion is accepted. How did the editor - whether it was Arie or someone connected to him - possibly think it was okay to put this in a Wikipedia article?
besides a couple of tangentially relevant sources about Elise's music career, the only source cited for the article is the Arie's own website.

Blow this article away, and let's bring the editor to the COI noticeboard too. Users have complained about their COI editing in the past on his Talk page, and he's never engaged with any of the complaints. ExplodingCabbage (talk) 19:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Related COIN discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Pedestrian69 ExplodingCabbage (talk) 20:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that there is a lot of crypto hate here as self importance of personal subjective opinions about notability. Can we stick to the facts rather than ranting like [ExplodingCabbage]? What makes a business person notable? Suing Facebook for anti-trust? Creating billions of dollars in revenue? Creating thousands of jobs? Dozens of companies? Patents? Technologies? Being regularly interviewed and quoted by industry press? Or does it come down to "I have not heard of a person, and I dislike their industry, so I want to exclude historical factual data from Wikipedia"? Pedestrian69 (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: COI-spam that does not meet GNG. Melcous (talk) 22:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another interesting data point, which I might suggest is something Wikipedia might consider using, is that if you ask ChatGPT, "Who is Arie Trouw?" for example, it responds with something that supports notoriety (actually uses 'prominent' and the adjective when I asked it). ChatGPT is actively governed to not be used to query people who are not in the public eye, for security reasons. Thus, I would argue that ChatGPT is a better 'notoriety' checker than either you or I. Pedestrian69 (talk) 13:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vanity bio. May be notable, but this article does not demonstrate it and is clearly written by someone who is not approaching the subject in a neutral manner. Sources appear to be self published, opinion pieces, trivial mentions or discussions on other matters and companies. Critically, sources actually about the article subject appears to have been written by the article subject. (Even to the extent of interviewing themselves.) Notability is also not inherited from his daughter. Plus the fact the article complete skips having a lead to summarise notability is a good indication there is little to speak of.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the sources used about his daughter never mention him by name, and only establish that Elise Trouw has a father. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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