Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polish invasion of Czech Republic

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Non-notable incident that recently hit the international news as a "curiosity story" from abroad. Article fails our

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Darwinek (talk) 19:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Darwinek (talk) 19:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, I created this after reading this today on BBC, NPR, CNN, and other places. Coverage has been going on for a few days, and there are national Czech, Polish, and German sources as well. The church had been restored by Polish and Czech activists, is not a pile of rubble, and is a site of worship. The incident, while accidental, was a serious diplomatic/military incident. The Czech-Polish border, as all borders inside the EU, has been quiet for decades. The situation of COVID border shutdowns and accidental invasions is very irregular in Europe. Poland and the Czech Republic haven't had a similar incidents from the 1990s at least.--Chuka Chief (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge into Czech Republic–Poland relations. It certainly seems to have enough coverage to satisfy the GNG. Whether it's a big enough event to justify its own article or a subtopic of the wider relations between the countries is another matter. Neither article is super long so perhaps it could be merged. Don't need to delete the material though.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - article's subject matter seems notable and worthy of encyclopedic inclusion, and the article itself has sufficient supporting references. - Indefensible (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, there is a precedent with such things, the several similar incidents between
  WP:10YT, to the extent it would be better to delete it later if coverage is not sustained in the slightest. If the article is kept, it should be renamed to May 2020 Czech Republic-Poland border incident or perhaps Accidental Polish invasion of the Czech Republic. Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep per above. Multiple, independent, reliable sources giving information about this topic meets the notability guidelines. Perhaps at a later date, it will become clear that this event does not merit its own article and that it should be merged into Czech Republic–Poland relations. Until then, it should stay as it clearly can stand on its own two legs. Mysteryman blue 23:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, while there have been a number of similar incidents between Switerland and Liechtenstein, this appears to be a serious, if bloodless, incident with diplomatic reprecussions, as opposed to a couple of troops taking a wrong turn. --Varavour (talk) 01:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete come on.
  WP:NOTNEWS, especially not sensationalist, inane news. Just because there’s a newspaper story about something doesn’t mean we need to have an article about. This is ridiculous. Volunteer Marek 04:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Merge to
  WP:EASTEREGG, if it is kept, it should very much be renamed to May 2020 Czech Republic-Poland border incident. Amd frankly, if it was properly named like this originally it would likely not end up here, the current name is the gist of the problem, blowing this tiny incident out of proportion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment. If kept, it should be renamed Polish invasion of the Czech Republic. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The picture in this AfD is wrong, the occupied building was the chapel of st. Anne (Czech Wikipedia) which is an historic building that lays across a bridge from the castle ruins. I think the St. George church was not occupied. The historic chapel has been undergoing major restoration (compare 2012 to 2020). The incident itself is notable and is covered by reliable sources that call it an invasion: "Poland accidentally invaded the Czech Republic in late May and briefly annexed a corner of its neighbour’s territory, the country’s military has admitted" or "The Polish military has admitted it accidentally invaded the Czech Republic last month, but it insists its brief occupation of a small part of the country was simply a "misunderstanding"". Thank god this all ended well and with smiles in the end. What makes this bizarre is that instead of realizing the mistake and withdrawing after it was pointed out in late May is that Polish troops remained on the Czech side until June 11th and imposed restrictions (blocking access, no photos) on Czech citizens. --Bob not snob (talk) 05:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Chuka Chief. Plenty of news coverage to meet
  WP:GNG. This looks like perfect DYK fodder too. The precise naming of the article can be addressed after this AfD closes. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete - LOL! Keep? Really? This should be deleted per
  WP:NOTNEWS, but if we decide to keep it, then the title should be changed to "Accidental invasion of the Chech Republic by Poland", as per sources.But seriously, if we cover every newspaper news pumped up to get readers' then this is not going to be the Encyclopedia anymore but a news site. :) Come on "keeper" people :). GizzyCatBella🍁 07:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Merge with Czech Republic–Poland relations. This article shouldn't be a stand-alone, but it would make a good addition to the relation article (part of it ofc). Cheers! Nadzik (talk) 08:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per WP:NOTNEWS, this is a minor, recent event that isn't notable enough for Wikipedia article.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: This event is extraordinary, in the literal sense that it is extremely unusual. The delayed response is particularly striking — in a world of instant communication, it took them two weeks to withdraw the troops. That's an argument based on
  WP:NOTINTERESTING argument. o choose one example from above, "if we cover every newspaper news pumped up to get readers" is suggesting that the story is inherently inconsequential, and therefore doesn't meet notability standards. When have we, in human history, treated sending troops into foreign countries and holding (a small piece of) foreign territory for two weeks as an inconsequential event? I am arguing that the very fact that we're treating it as a joke is itself indicative of changes in the last century of European law and practice, and I'm sorry, but that is actually (wp:)interesting. As far as notability standards go, this event has been described as an "invasion" by many reliable sources, including BBC News, NPR and Politico, and that coverage happened two weeks after the original event. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete or Merge with
  Poland's actual invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938.—Brigade Piron (talk
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• Merge in a very shortened version to Czech Republic–Poland relations. Two-three sentences are enough for "notability" of this unintentional incident. Pibwl ←« 15:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above. There Tis sufficient material here to stand on its own, and this is an unusual event, certainly covered by many RS, and is important to relations between the two countries. Davey2116 (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a total failure of the not news guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This article is completely ridiculous! Wikipedia should deliver important, serious matter, not such minor or strange events with such detailed description which might suggest that it is something really important. It is such an shamefully unimportant thing! It was such a weird and odd piece of news and it was treated that way in the news and in this article it is treated in a way in which an important events should be described. It is really misleading! And the worst thing is the "background". It has definitely been the accidental thing - the word "invasion" is terribly over the top in this case - and what's more - it is compared with (or shown against) the Polish-Czechoslovak war or with the 1938 annexation of Zaolzie. I have never come across such an exaggeration. It's hard to find a proper word to describe this impropriety. Seriously - what is the connection between this accident and the war of 1919 or the 1968? Ridiculous association. Unbelievable much ado about nothing.--Eduardschnack (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as a chapter/section with Czech Republic–Poland relations as a minor diplomatic incident with coronavirus background.
  If kept, it should very much be renamed to proper and real name, for example: May 2020 Czech Republic–Poland border incident.
  Julo (talk) 20:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, it is relevant. Per Toughpigs or Chuka Chiefs. --Frettie (talk) 05:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]