Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reactions to the 2021 Fall of Kabul

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(Also, if kept, this should be moved to Reactions to the 2021 fall of Kabul

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 15:47, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 15:47, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 15:47, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It's far, far better to have this here rather than cluttering the main article. Just send it to AFD in six months time (or in this case a year). Thincat (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not delete it, and limit inclusion in the main article to things that are clearly relevant? There are many articles where editors have successfully drawn that line. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 16:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • because that is an argument you'll never win without a great deal of ongoing reversions. There are much better things to do. Thincat (talk) 18:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - a lot of major events have spun-off articles detailing reactions to the events (ex:
  International reactions to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen (2015–present), etc...), the Fall of Kabul (2021) article is long enough already as it is, and this article isn't just about countries' reactions and gives space for things that are relevant and might need a more in-depth overview than what can go on the Fall of Kabul page (ex: solidarity protests elsewhere in the world, the push to the UK minister of foreign affairs fired, how reactions differed among Afghan people, political debates that are starting to brew over a potential refugee crisis, how it affects perception of NATO power, etc...) NHCLS (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep Strongly agree that it's much better to include these reactions here than let them clutter up the main article. The Fall of Kabul was an incredibly important event globally, and how other countries react to it is, for obvious reasons, important information. As time goes by, this article can be cleaned up to only include the most important reactions (e.g. if a country formally recognizes the Taliban's IEA government), but I think it shouldn't need to be said that WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE obviously doesn't apply here.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Trim heavily and merge to
  WP:CWW) and the article could thus be deleted outright. TompaDompa (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep
  International reactions to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen (2015–present) , Reactions to the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests ,Reactions to the killing of Osama bin Laden ,Reactions to the Manchester Arena bombing .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:20, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep As per above. RopeTricks (talk) 10:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Better to have this rather than let it clutter the main article. Elishop (talk) 11:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as argued by others above - a summary should be included in the main page, but the substantive content here be retained with an action to remove flaglist with 'vague' statements of concern etc. and retain the stated reactions that are substantial/notable - as per other 'Reactions to' articles given as examples by Pharaoh of the Wizards in the statement above.Kaybeesquared (talk) 12:46, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep: per above. Nitesh003 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep: per above. Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Trim and merge into
  WP:NOTNEWS perfectly describes what is going on here. (Disclosure: I became aware of this article by a screenshot that was published on Discord.) stjn 11:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Merging this vast sum of information, even if trimmed, would arguably overwhelm the Fall of Kabul article. There's a lot going on here, and the event is the climax of 20 years of conflict, reporting, and America's longest-ever war. To merge this into that article would be to either grossly oversimplify the global response or to risk not trimming it enough to even fit properly. Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Trim and merge to Fall of Kabul. --Weaveravel (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think that it's actually a fairly good article. I don't support trimming because the reactions are already quite brief for each entity. BirdValiant (talk) 22:33, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]