Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/System console

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The result was merge‎ to Computer terminal. I don't know how to carry out a closure for a "Split" which doesn't appear as an option. Also, we also can not Merge to nonexisting articles so please do not suggest this unless you are willing to create those articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

System console

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An article one month shy of TWENTY years old, without a single source, and tagged for

WP:OR. I don't see any chance of rehabilitating this article such that it can be considered reliable to any degree. It's interesting - but one can only guess if any of the info is actually true or accurate. Computer terminal seems to cover the concept in a more structured manner, albeit with problems of its own... cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 05:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 05:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't see any particular problems with accuracy here, but it does focus mostly on terminal-like consoles which are already discussed well in Computer terminal. There's more of a distinction for early computers where the console was a panel of lights and switches rather than a terminal. One way to address this would be to add a paragraph about early computers' consoles to Computer terminal, and then turn this into a redirect? Adam Sampson (talk) 13:14, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I could certainly provide some sources, but IMHO the material should be split between Console (hardware) and Console (software), possibly as sections of Front panel and Computer terminal, with suitable {{distinguish}} templates. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it's sufficiently covered by the relevant console articles as above. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
NO sourcing, odd. 2004 was a fun time in Wiki. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not all of the material on hardware consoles is present in Front panel. I believe that a split and merge would be more appropriate than a delete. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Split and merge would be fine, too. System consoles are low-level direct interfaces to the OS and and/or hardware, especially useful for investigating the state of the system and recovering from problems when higher level interfaces are having troubles. The system console interface can be through a modern text terminal, but it doesn't have to be--it could be through a teletype or a specialized front panel. A quick search shows some online materials [1], [2], [3], and I am sure that are many paper sources out there on the system consoles in the older computer systems. Basic facts are verifiable, so a merge is a reasonable alternative to deletion, per our policy (
WP:PRESERVE). It would be a little strange to discuss the system console concept only in the articles on the different kinds of interface the system console can be instantiated on, but that approach could work with a DAB page pointing to the different interface articles. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 16:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks, everyone, for your comments. I believe this may be the first time I've formally proposed a deletion in about eighteen years here. I'm interesting only in good sourcing and relevance, and minimizing unnecessary duplication. Delete, merge - I'm amenable to whatever comes about, and I'm not locked onto any desired outcome. My first system console was a true paper TTY, so this is not for any lack of love for system consoles... cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 08:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm fine with a split/merge as discussed above.

Oaktree b (talk) 16:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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