Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Mooradian

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Mooradian

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Delete. Poorly sourced

primary source historical directory of its own players. None of this, neither the substance nor the sourcing, is good enough to get him in the door. Bearcat (talk) 21:45, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

Every single high school athlete who exists at all is always going to get his name into the sports section of the local paper from time to time, so all of the ones there that link to the sports page in the
WP:GNG, the coverage has to be substantive and not just a glancing namecheck of his existence. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:16, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:16, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per IAR. Journalist biographies are among the hardest to source out at WP since much of what is available is generated by the publications for which they worked while biographical coverage in competing papers is non-existent for obvious reasons. My own inclination is to be inclusionist towards the bios of retired journalists and deletionist towards the bios of newcomers on the make. Carrite (talk) 17:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And what about any of this constitutes a reason why the journalist in question merits permanent coverage in an encyclopedia? Bearcat (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- the only claim of notability could be under
    WP:NAUTHOR, but I've not been able to find any meaningful reviews of the subject's memoirs. Ping DGG to see if they may be able to check on library holdings. Or if any reviews are presented, I'd be happy to look at them. The subject's life is an interesting one, but unfortunately does not quite rise to the level of encyclopedia notability per guidelines or currently available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Library holdings aren't a notability claim that exempts a person from having to be sourced better than has been shown here, and 52 isn't that high a number in the first place considering there are millions of libraries in the world. Bearcat (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't making any such claim, but was simply responding to K.e.coffman's wish for information about library holdings. I agree that 52 is a low number, but I'm not sure that there are millions of libraries in the world unless you count my collection of books on shelves and piled up in various rooms and in boxes in the attic as a library. And Worldcat only indexes major libraries so being in several hundred might be an indication that a book and/or its author merits further investigation as to notability. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was a little too busy with real life to take part in the failed AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward L. Keithahn earlier this year, yet another exercise in pushing the POV that the only biographical subjects we need be concerned about are living people notable within the past decade or so who are good at getting themselves mentioned in certain places on the web. I don't know what was more pointless, the AFD itself, or that the "keep" rationale based on a WorldCat search amounted to the only significant improvement to the article since. It tells me that it's a waste of my time to go hunt again for the book sources from the 1940s and 1950s which not only clearly demonstrate his notability but provide meaningful biographical information if other editors believe the only purpose that Wikipedia articles serve is to reflect the results of their incidental web search. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:41, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- still delete as the library holdings do not seem sufficient to presume notability. BTW I notified WikiProject Armenia of this AfD a week ago, so I think we've made a good faith effort to locate sources and establish notability. Does not meet the notability guidelines at this time. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:24, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Local journalist who self-published a memoir. It sounds like he's had an interesting life, but nothing in the article suggests WP:Notability. --MelanieN (talk) 23:59, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In addition to
    ISBN 0199350698. Retrieved 2016-10-31.

    The book notes:

    Tom Mooradian was a 19-year-old from Detroit and one of the few American-Armenians to migrate. In his memoir The Repatriate, he relates how he quickly realized he had made a mistake and sank into depression. He had renounced his US citizenship and bought a one way ticket. Letters home were censored so as not to spoil the propaganda message. In a coded postcard, Mooradian warned his parents not to come, asking them to encourage Uncle Avak and Auntie Vartouhie (who were both deceased) to repatriate: "Our homeland needs more workers like them. They will fit in with the rest of us who are dying to see them." His family took the hint and did not follow him. Mooradian eventually made himself into a leading Soviet Armenian basketball player and 13 years later found a way back to the United States.

    • Cunard (talk) 04:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete as the link above is not only from the start, an interview, but it's literally a set life story about his thoughts of what happened in his life "he warned his parents not to come, asking them to encourage ncle Avak and Auntie Vartouhie (both are deceased)...." Mooradian [became] a basketball player and [back to the United States]". Not only is that blatantly a webhosted web of information about not only some random uncle and aunt, but it's not actually relevant to notability therefore if that's literally the best there is, an interviewed set of quotes and named family, it's not significant or substance. SwisterTwister talk 05:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment -- updated my vote to full "delete" as no better sources have been presented than what I was able to find myself, including the passage above. This is one paragraph -- clearly insufficient to build a bio article. The rest of the sources are equally unconvincing. The subject is not notable as an author, and there's nothing besides that. Per
      WP:WHYN, there is no reason to have an article on the subject.K.e.coffman (talk) 06:15, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
      ]
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