Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulf Herman

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  08:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ulf Herman

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not notable, no sources to verify RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 20:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. --Non-Dropframe _talk 20:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. --Non-Dropframe _talk 20:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. --Non-Dropframe _talk 20:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Competed at the fully professional level of his sport. Was part of a major stable in the third biggest promotion in the United States at the peak of its popularity. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice proof. No extensive coverage of any of this, mind. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 18:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete i think "fully professional" is misleading. There is no amateur version unless you count backyard feds. No really notable achievements as far as i can see. MPJ-US  20:45, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I did not actually remember his time in ECW, reading through the section he won one' match, a singles match on a house show over a tag team guy. Even his PPV "participation" consisted of him being ringside during someone else's match. So he was in ECW, but ECW was never so big that working for them on a regular basis is enough to establish notability, it's not even close to WWE, more like Ring of Honor. MPJ-US  08:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unless he was extremely marginal in the group another idea could be to either merge of redirect to

The Full Blooded Italians.--174.91.187.234 (talk) 22:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply

]

I disagree that working for the third largest wrestling promotion in the United States, who had a nationally (and then some) televised deal, doesn't establish notability. To work for the company for years is demonstration of notability. Keep in mind the parallels in other sports--playing a single MLB or NHL game is sufficient to establish notability. I'm not saying that a single match should be enough, but to compete for years, in a non enhancement/jobber role shows a level of achievement sufficient to show notability. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the books at the moment, but I have been told that All Or Nothing: The Story of Europe's Most Controversial Wrestling Company and Holy Grail: The True Story of British Wrestling's Revival (written by a former professional wrestler and a former professional wrestling manager, respectively) both have extensive coverage of Herman's career in the UK, where he also has a lengthy list of accomplishments to demonstrate notability. Ultimately, we've got a guy whose career on two different continents are each sufficiently notable; put them together, and there's no way this article should be deleted or merged. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - nothing on the search engines except some trivial mentions on News and Books. Zero on newspapers, scholar, highbeam and Jstor. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: This article needs some help. The claims of notability are not fluff, and there is a German version of his article de:Ulf_Herman and the Germans tend to delete slightly more frequently than here (though it was never subjected to AFD there). There is some evidence that more sourcing exists ( http://m.hildesheimer-allgemeine.de/index.php?id=2983&tx_ttnews[backPid]=2978&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=316488&cHash=5a710414a25796e3c7816d47e29b66a6 - brackets in link are screwing up wikimarkup). Is anyone willing to userify and improve if deletion is the only other prospect?--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:05, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Commment: I have also found this site (in translation): [1]. It describes him as a German wrestling legend and discusses his induction into the Hall of Fame for a German wrestling organization in recognition of his 23 years as a professional. I have also added a bit more information (with a few additional sources) and trimmed some of the promotional language. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:22, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've got to be kidding. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:43, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Being that this is the English language Wikipedia it's natural to unintentionally ignore foreign sources. His run in the English-speaking wrestling world wasn't incredibly noteworthy but he seems to have had a somewhat noteworthy career on the independent scene in Germany.LM2000 (talk) 00:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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