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Category:Serbian and Montenegrin footballers

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The result of the debate was Delete. Clear consensus to delete formed in the below debate and per comments at the previous debate. Hiding Talk 10:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serbian and Montenegrin footballers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category is redundant to Category:Serbian footballers and Category:Montenegrin footballers. The previous cfd, here, decided to keep it until split. I've finished splitting it, so it is time to delete. Picaroon9288 22:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Individuals in the history of France

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The result of the debate was Delete. The consensus formed here feels the category is superfluous to French people. Although the process was interfered with, I think a quick glance through the contributions of the category emptier would allow a precis of what the category contained, and given only one user felt that was an impediment, I don't see that as an obstruction to closing the debate. 10:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Hiding Talk

Category:Individuals in the history of France (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete: it strikes me as extremely weird and vague criterion for categorizing, and it is unmatched by any subcategory in other counties' "history of" categories. It also looks like it has been created without paying attention to its possible consequences: I am willing to bet that three quarters of articles in the category French people can go in there. The precedent created here is unmanagable. Or at the very least rename to "People in the history of France". Dahn 22:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake - as the consensus seems to be towards deletion, I've jumped the gun a bit and emptied it. Hope you don't mind. User|Neddyseagoon 13:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whawhawhawhahwawhawhat?! (Silly bit.) That is naughty, Neddy; please don't do it again (silly/serious bit). Apply at quonce, David Kernow (talk) 02:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Well, since it was prematurely emptied, I now have no way to know was in it in order to comment upon it, sigh. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Regardless of what was in it. Sumahoy 00:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Modern ships

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The result of the debate was Rename, consensus below and here. Hiding Talk 10:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename. Several weeks ago we had a CFD on this subject and decided to rename, but these categories slipped through the cracks. TomTheHand 16:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Seems to fit previous CfD. AuburnPilot 17:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename "Modern" is little better than "famous" as a category-defining term. Calsicol 11:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British skeptics

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The result of the debate was No Consensus - Rename and relist. I can see a strong move to delete, but I think there's a general agreement that this whole issue should be settled with discussion on all the categories in Category:Skeptics rather than simply take one out of the chain. So am renaming per our spelling usage conventions, but relisting as part of an umbrella nomination. This close should not be taken as endorsement of the category or a keep. Hiding Talk 10:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British skeptics to Category:British sceptics

  • Rename, British spelling of sceptic for an obviously British category. Schaefer (Talk) 19:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename further or delete as overly vague. Sceptic towards what? Government? Religion? Economy? Wikipedia? What is the meaning of this cat? >Radiant< 20:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Radiant Dahn 22:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Radiant. Vegaswikian 23:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Pavel Vozenilek 00:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename to conform to Wikipedia's English language standard. The Category:Skeptics is divided into nationalities. When more articles of biographies of the different varieties of skeptics then they can be divided further, but until then all of the above. FancyPants 00:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - I suppose the idea was to group skeptic philosophers. I suggest turning all categories into "something skeptic philosophers", and drop inclusion of all articles that are not about philosophers (and rather about people who some user assessed as "skeptics"). Dahn 00:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Radiant. The word skeptic does not have an operational definition as applied here. (And if kept, of course it should be changed to the British spelling.) Doczilla 02:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename LW77 00:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - First,
    List of Skeptics and skeptical organizations, while interesting, has no discernable criteria for inclusion. One may be skeptical, and not necessarily be a skeptic. Second, I don't believe that these should be divided by nationality, so much as by topic (there are several psychic-power skeptics, for example). - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Upmerge all "Skeptics by nation" categories to Category:Skeptics, and Delete. (Since this nom only names one, do that one, and hopefully more will follow.) - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    note 3 British, 3 Finnish, 35 American
    • At this point, it would likely be better to nominate Category:Skeptics if that is what you want to do. There are four 'by country' subcats and two topic specific subcats. There are also some other articles listed. Vegaswikian 19:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fauna of the United States by state and its subcategories

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fauna of the United States by state (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

✉ 19:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
]

  • I think they have all been tagged now, could you please change your reason or vote? Thanks. --liquidGhoul 09:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose any such change, whether each article is tagged (as they are required to be by the delete rules) or not. Each state has its fauna and that needs a category to group them together. The supercategory is then needed to group them together. These categories are obviously useful for many purposes.

The number of them (by necessity) does not make them or anything else 'not useful'. Also, wasn't the same or similar deletion proposal on flora or fauna of the US states just defeated a couple of weeks ago? Hmains 20:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Edit the category. Add one of the following tags at the top of the category text of every category to be deleted or renamed." Hmains 16:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't see how it is original research. I am sure there are many sources, as there is with Australia, which seperate North America into biogeographical regions. I don't have the sources, as I am not as interested in North American fauna/flora etc., but I am sure there is someone who is. I also can't see how state borders would be used in the science of biogeography, except in the case of explaining the borders of biogeographic regions (e.g. 200km west of Virginia border). There would be absolutely no difference between one side of a state border than the other, unless there is a physical reason for the border (such as a river). I can see the use of these types of categories for people who, say, want to find a frog in New York. But, I don't think the alternative, such as eastern United States or whatever we end up using, would be any more confusing. Together with the fact that most non-Americans probably don't know all 50 states, and their locations, and it is very hard for me to find an animal I know is in a particular region of northern America. --liquidGhoul 07:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all "flora/fauna by nationality" categories. These should be categorized by physical geographical location, rather than political division. While island groups, such as Indonesia or Hawaii, may be nations/states, they are also considered physical geographical locations. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes a country or subdivision of a country less of a useful geographic unit than an island. I don't understand what sort of geographic units you are suggesting we replace these with. Would you please explain? Guettarda 04:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I (hopefully) clarified my statement above. Flora/fauna of the western U.S., or of the Sahara, or of the arctic tundra, are all by geographic region/location/feature, rather than by Luxembourg, or Rhode Island, nations/states. Does that clarify? (See also: Template:Regions of the world.) - jc37 11:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Listify and then Delete. I am trying to get a discussion going on the Flora of <region>/Fauna of <region>/Biora of <region> categories. Please see Category talk:Biota by country GameKeeper 13:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • postpone i.e. keep for now wait until discussion on distribution categories at Category talk:Biota by country has reached consensus. Deletion of these categories now will loose data which may need to be used at a later stage. --Salix alba (talk) 14:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as they are useful for narrow endemic species, but encourage editors to be sensible: don't add a Cat:Fauna of Country/State if the species occurs in more than 4 or 5 countries/states; in those cases use larger regional cats (so a widespread species like
    Red Fox would be in Cat:Fauna of Asia, Cat:Fauna of Europe, Cat:Fauna of North America, but not in any country or state cats). - MPF 20:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Famous American Military Defeats

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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Famous American Military Defeats (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
POV cat with little content and little room for expansion PPGMD 19:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, POV. >Radiant< 20:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. Dahn 22:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. On a side note, it doesn't follow Wikipedia rules for article capitalization. Doczilla 02:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWithout comment on the merits of the article, I recommend fixing errors of capitalization rather than deleting an article because the wrong words are capitalized.Edison 22:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Criminal suspects

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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Criminal suspects (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, This category is too vague and potentially too large. There's no definition for "suspect", and law enforcement agencies don't necessarily release lists of suspects so it is difficult to verify. Anyone who has ever been questioned by investigators or accused in the press could be included. Will Beback 18:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom; the definition of "bona fide" law enforcement agency is furthermore problematic in parts of the world.-choster 18:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, arbitrary. We want facts, i.e. convictions. >Radiant< 20:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. Dahn 22:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this vague category that potentially includes the majority of the human race. Suspects? Be serious. Doczilla 02:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should be redefined. I intended it to cover people who are being investigated for crimes in current events, not anyone who has ever done something wrong. --Afed 03:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perhaps too transitory to categoriz/se...?  David Kernow (talk) 04:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • How would we know when the subject ceases to be a suspect (barring an indictment)? -Will Beback 20:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, and because it's a legal risk to Wikipedia. --
    Aaron 22:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete per nom. Calsicol 11:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete - suspect of what, and by whom? This is a very bad idea. It also just screams for citations/references. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Escorts

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Escorts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Lewis and Clark

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Lewis and Clark Expedition. Vegaswikian 05:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lewis and Clark to Category:Lewis and Clark expedition

  • Rename The main article of the category is 'Lewis and Clark expedition'. While this category includes bio articles on Lewis and Clark, the focus of the category is on the 'expedition', not just the two leaders of it. This rename should improve clarity. Hmains 16:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom, and I think Lewis and Clark Expedition should be renamed to reflect this capitalization as well. -choster 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • revision I accept that my rename proposal should be changed to:

Category:Lewis and Clark to Category:Lewis and Clark Expedition to match the article and to match capitalization rules Hmains 20:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:National parks of the United States

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The result of the debate was keep (cf also #National Parks discussion below). David Kernow (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"National Parks are capitalized because the U.S. maintains named National Parks as well as other areas which represent the same level of protection but are not so named."
—Chidom talk  16:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC) on behalf of Rmhermen talk[reply]
  • Oppose per convention of Category:National parks. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This has gone back and forth a couple times. I thought consensus was to capitalize because the category then unambiguously refers to an official designation (e.g. a Wilderness Area being quite different from a wilderness area, Gettysburg being a national park but not a National Park)" see CFD 2006/Feb/16. -choster 18:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Content of this category is absurd. Pavel Vozenilek 00:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object I believe this falls under [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Institutions}Wikipedia:Manual of Style: Institutions]]; parks should have "title case" when a specific park is being named, but not when the type of instituion is being referenced. The example in the
    WP:MOS
    using "university" and "University of Ottawa" would, in this instance, result in:
"the national parks are managed by the
United States National Park Service, which is an agency of the United States Department of the Interior
",
but
"Acadia National Park is managed by the...." (etc.)
This would also conform to the usage of the National Park Service (NPS) itself. They refer to "national parks"—nps.gov NPS History and Culture—but list individual parks by their proper names: NPS View All Parks A-Z (hyperlinked index). They give proper names to all parks, historic sites, etc., and refer to them individually by those proper names with title case, but when referencing them as groups, use lower case.—Chidom talk  04:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The capitalisation policy applies to the U.S. as much as it does to the rest of the world. Hawkestone 11:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - From everything here, it would look like the specific usage in this category name means that the "p" should be lower-case. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Robbi McMillen

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Divide into Category:Robbi McMillen songs and Category:Robbi McMillen albums. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've moved all the contents into those categories (and un-disambiguated them all), as I don't expect anyone has an objection to that. No opinion on whether the category stays, though I certainly don't mind its existence.--Mike Selinker 14:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Category:Categories named after musicians would apparently be it's parent cat. (I'm restraining myself... really... all these musician/singer cats are a mess.. really...) - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete now that it has been divided. I don't think eponymous categories should be created just to house the main article and the album and single subcats. --musicpvm 23:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Low Saxon

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Low Saxon into Category:Low German

  • Merge, Category:Low Saxon should be merged into Category:Low German. Both refer to exactly the same concept, but the name Low German is more common in English sources, see Talk:Low German (linguistic sources have been adduced especially in the following two contributions: [1], [2]). ― j. 'mach' wust | ⚖ 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, per nomination. Dahn 11:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Low Saxon. The term is ambiguous. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge the only ambiguities are between a set and two of its subsets; and those subsets do not have and do not need subcategories in Category:Low German. For categorization purposes, those are irrelevant distinctions that only make information harder to find. Deal with the sets and subsets in articles. Gene Nygaard 18:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:E-RPG System

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:E-RPG System (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete Category created to house adverts for the game system's component sourcebooks - now empty except for the E-RPG System article. Percy Snoodle 12:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Famous redheads

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Famous redheads (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, Redundant to List of redheads, which, though in need of cleanup, can be much better defined and therefore avoid POV. Also, only one person was added to it. Shannernanner 12:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy, recreation. We don't cat by hair color, and we don't use 'famous' in cat names. >Radiant< 14:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Hoylake 17:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Radiant above. Dugwiki 18:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Pavel Vozenilek 00:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. We do not categorize by hair color. Hair color changes, you know. These hair color categories just keep getting deleted. Doczilla 02:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and leave {{deletedcategory}} per above. David Kernow (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, people should not be categorized by appearance. --musicpvm 17:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to List of redheads - Due to "famous", and because the list is much better. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Estudios Churubusco films

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Estudios Churubusco films

  • This is a category for films shot at the Mexican studio. This seems a bad precedent, we could end up with a category for every major (or minor) film studio. There is already a list at
    Films shot at Estudios Churubusco so a category isn't really necessary. JW 12:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Keep Why not for Mexican studio? or Russian? We can have cats like Films by Country by studio -> American films by studio, Mexican films by studio and so forth Kmorozov 12:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The category is for non-Mexican films shot at the Churubusco studios, so it wouldn't come under Mexican films by studio. "Studio" in this context means "a place where a film is shot", not "a company that produces films", which I think is what you mean. JW 13:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: this is going to be yet another useless category platered over all movie articles. I think the ability to have visually distinguished primary and secondary categories is long overdue. Pavel Vozenilek 00:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per precedent: We have 35 other studio subcats in [[Films by studio#{{{2}}}|Films by studio]], and 32 entries in this one. (And I believe the parent cat is indeed for films produced by a particular company.) Her Pegship 16:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
That is my point. The parent category is for films produced or distributed by a particular company, but this sub-cat is not. This category is for films shot at Estudios Churubusco. It includes, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Hunt for Red October and Free Willy. These aren't Mexican films made by Estudios Churubusco, they are films partly shot there. This category is completely different from the others in Films by studio, and there's no precedent for this. It isn't the same as United Artists films or Twentieth Century Fox films. JW 09:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - So the point seems to be that "Films by studio" is meant to be "Films produced by studio" and not to be "Films produced at studio"? If so, then I suggest Category:Films by studio be tagged for a rename. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have the feeling this and the nomination below might best be closed as with no consensus, pending clarification of the "Films by" categories...  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 01:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I would second that. - jc37 03:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films by Studio sub-cats

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A rename to bring these in line with the other categories in Category:Films by studio, Category:Paramount films, Category:United Artists films, Category:New Line Cinema films etc. "Films by..." isn't appropriate in these cases as the categories include many films distributed, but not produced by these companies. London Films is a slight exception, because "London Films films" wouldn't make sense. JW 12:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have amended Lions Gate proposal. Keep third category proposed (Films by London Films) as "productions" not a synonym for "films"...  David Kernow (talk) 04:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Her Pegship 16:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - I am seriously confused by this nom, especially in light of the one directly above. Can someone further clarify? - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is just a rename to match the other sub-cats. They are all called "X films" not "Films by X". "Studio" is being used here, incorrectly really, to mean production company or distributor. JW 08:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Norm

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The result of the debate was rename to Norms (mathematics). David Kernow (talk) 01:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Norm

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Category:Songs heard at Kansas City Chiefs home games

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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 01:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs heard at Kansas City Chiefs home games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, this is an extremely trivial characteristic and also unverifiable. musicpvm 10:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, trivia. >Radiant< 14:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Hoylake 17:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this trivia. Doczilla 02:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. (Listify if article includes citations.)   David Kernow (talk) 04:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete ooo, ooo, can I be the organist/DJ at a sporting event so that I can balloon such categories? : ) - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:RPG Series

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The result of the debate was rename. David Kernow (talk) 02:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:RPG Series to Category:Computer and video role-playing game series

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Category:College football defunct bowls

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The result of the debate was rename. David Kernow (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:College football defunct bowls to Category:Defunct college football bowls

  • Rename, College football defunct bowls is a very awkward title and it doesn't match Wikipedia convention. Woohookitty(meow) 06:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Rename per nom. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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National Parks

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The result of the debate was Rename all to variations of Category:National parks in Foo. Everyone noted that the P should be lower case in Parks but also that "in" was preferred to "of". Hiding Talk 18:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved a related group from speedy. Please discuss as a group at the end of the listing. Vegaswikian 06:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Start discussion here.
  • Comment since the categories are for national parks in general; not part of a proper name, we know it should be parks and not Parks. So it should either be National parks of Foo or National parks in Foo. The in form is normal for parks in a state, but the of form is specified for national parks in the
    naming conventions. I think the in or of is debatable, but it should be parks and not Parks. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Rename to proper capitalization; no opinion as to 'of' or 'in'. >Radiant< 14:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove capital Ps" but do not change to of as U.S. states are not nations. Hoylake 17:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment looks like User:Averette created this discussion by creating new cats and moving articles around without a discussion. Vegaswikian 23:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to proper capitalization; Strong Oppose to changing 'in' to 'of'. Vegaswikian 04:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to proper capitalization; Strong Oppose to changing 'in' to 'of'.Calsicol 11:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename "p", per nom. Normally I would agree with "of", but I think in this case it should be "in". If it was the Park Service of Oregon, or something like that, then I would agree, but it's not. - jc37 00:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Actresses who portraying Sandy Olsen to Category:Actresses who portrayed Sandy Olsen

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The result of the debate was Delete Clear consensus below and in previous cfd debates. Hiding Talk 18:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

per respect of English grammar. Pascal.Tesson 21:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy renames. Vegaswikian 06:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category: United States Courts of Appeals judges

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The result of the debate was Opposed. No consensus for the proposed rename, in fact a clear consensus to keep the current name. Hiding Talk 18:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category: United States Courts of Appeals judges to Category: United States circuit judges

  • Rename. The new name is compact and elegant; any judge of a court of appeals is named a circuit judge by statute. (See 28 U.S.C. § 43 and 28 U.S.C. § 44.) It also avoids arguments over whether court should be singular or plural and whether we should be referring to “X judges” or “Judges of X”. — DLJessup (talk) 04:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The problem I have with this is that many states use the term "circuit court" for their lowest level courts so then the judges of those courts are called circuit judges. So using circuit judges here is confusing. --Woohookitty(meow) 13:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The current name is just fine as it is. No reason to change it at all. Hmains 16:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Revised vote: Rename to 'United States courts of appeals judges' as the per capitalization rules and per the actual name of the courts Hmains 16:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is simply untrue that there is no reason to change the name of the category. At a minimum, “Courts of Appeals” should not be capitalized, because it is a common noun referring to a class of courts rather than a specific court. — DLJessup (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As above, ambiguous with local "circuit judges" Dugwiki 19:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Woohookitty and Dugwiki have a point about ambiguity. I will withdraw this nomination soon. However, the current name of the category is unacceptable to me due to capitalization issues, so I would like to relist, and I would like to have some idea of what other people find acceptable before I relist a move. To the individuals opposing this move and to anyone else who wants to comment: do you find Category:Judges of the United States courts of appeals an acceptable alternative?
    • Actually, I think the name as it is is clearer than your alternative proposal. --Woohookitty(meow) 22:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment United States Court of Appeals or United States Courts of Appeal are properly capitalized: capitalization is used for the names of specific (proper) persons, places or things. See Category:United States Courts of Appeals and its subcategories and articles. The only item I notice as wrong is the main article 'United States court of appeal' which has a redirect from the proper name of 'United States Counts of Appeal'. To be correct, this re-direct should be reversed. This is not withstanding new attempt at speedly rename of the category that I just noticed. That is as wrong as this rename attempt. Hmains 17:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Uh, no. The article
      Talk:United States court of appeals#Move before the move took place. United States court of appeals is only a proper noun if we are referring to a specific court; in this case, we are referring to the class of such courts, so it is a common noun. As far as I can tell, the category is miscapitalized because of simple omission, rather than as the result of a debate on the issue. — DLJessup (talk) 18:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
      ]
    • I now understand and agree with you. thanks Hmains 19:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. A category "United States Circuit Judges" would be broader than "United States Court of Appeals Judges," as it would include judges of the
    Evarts Act of 1891 and the final abolition of the Circuit Courts in 1911. (A well-known trivia question asks, "Who was/were the only judge(s) to serve in their lifetime(s) as a U.S. District Judge, a U.S. Circuit Judge, and a U.S. Supreme Court Justice?" This question has two correct answers; if "U.S. Court of Appeals Judge" is substituted for "Circuit Judge," it only has one.) Newyorkbrad 20:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:WikiProject Reference pages

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The result of the debate was Rename. No objections noted below. Hiding Talk 18:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:WikiProject Reference pages to Category:WikiProject Contents pages

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