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Category:Vancouver Whitecaps coaches

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The result of the discussion was: split per nominator. The existing category will become a {{container category}}. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These two versions of the Whitecaps have their own categories, so their coaches should not be commingled in one category. See this series of Whitecaps nominations for details.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 23:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Three distinct categorizations of this clubs history. This needs to be split to continue with that flow (although could the current category simply become a housing cat for what would be the three coaching cats?). – Nurmsook! talk... 18:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Japhetic

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Clarification of the adjective per
main article (to distinguish from language). Brandmeistertalk 22:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Professional

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at CFD November 5. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A collection of unconnected things and concepts that simply share the name "professional" - grouping "professional sports" with "professional negligence" and "professional courtesy" is an example of
BencherliteTalk 21:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Strongly oppose -
--Penbat (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What are
BencherliteTalk 21:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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No it is not a mess. I was intending to shortly add new articles professional boundaries and professional competence to this category. Professional courtesy, professional embarrassment and professional negligence in English law are all aspects of professionalism. Anyway you conveniently mention Category:Management but not Category:Occupations --Penbat (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, they don't belong together in a subcategory of
BencherliteTalk 14:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
I dont mind if the template is called "professional" or "professionalism".--Penbat (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it stands this is a collection of things with a similar name, which is not how we categorize things.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don't see a category, "Amateur", and I don't see a category for "semi-professional". Just a random collection of hodgepodge. Benkenobi18 (talk) 05:11, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Garages

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The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Garages (house) and (Category:Garages (parking).--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:55, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Split. Currently this category covers two very different uses. One is for a 'room' in a house, and the other is a commercial, generally, storage facility. Also garage is a dab page. I suspect that the send target may generate some discussion from the US/UK differences. Which is why I chose a main topical article to dab the second one.Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies

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The result of the discussion was: rename per nom.
BencherliteTalk 21:58, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to clarify that this relates to constituencies of the
Welsh Assembly, Scottish Parliament, Northern Ireland Assembly, Parliament of Northern Ireland). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies has been notified --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom has been notified --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scottish Parliamentary constituencies

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The result of the discussion was: rename per nom, in particular for consistency with the top-level category rather than creating a new category name midway through the structure.
BencherliteTalk 22:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Rename to clarify that this relates to constituencies of the Scottish Parliament, and not to constituencies in Scotland of the Parliament of the United Kingdom or constituencies in Scotland of the European Parliament. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Scotland has been notified. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Massacres in the Palestinian territories

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 00:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, should be upmerged to Category:Massacres in Palestine. It is not as if this category is supposed to grow considerably over time. :) Debresser (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To both Chem Term and BrownHairedGirl: "Palestinian territories" are not a country. That is precisely why I said it should be upmerged to "Massacres in Palestine", which is a country. Debresser (talk) 23:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Constituencies in the United Kingdom

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The result of the discussion was: rename both per nom.
BencherliteTalk 22:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Rename both to a more inclusive title, and to fit the pattern of the 2 other national subcats of Category:Constituencies in the United Kingdom, which I have just created.
These are both container categories, which include constituencies of entities called "Parliament" and also of entities called "Assembly". So including the word "Parliament" is misleading.
I prefer the word "in" rather than "of", because
  1. it fits the pattern for other human-geographical categories ("cities in", "towns in"), etc;
  2. it avoids any pedantic concerns about whether constituencies in these countries which elect to bodies elsewhere are truly "of". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
the following WikiProjects have been notified: WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom [1], WikiProject Wales [2], and WikiProject Northern Ireland [3]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:I Hate Kate albums

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same band, different name. There is no reason to have a new category for every band name iteration (cf.
A Silver Mt. Zion, who has about a dozen.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:16, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Hot Swing Trio albums

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge, as artist is a redlink —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hannah Montana albums

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 00:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize albums by persons who don't exist: cfr. Category:Garth Brooks albums, not Category:Chris Gaines albums. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep the category is more about being part of that franchise that being by that person. It fits in with the other categories concerning the franchise. Also they wouldnt be purely cyrus albums anyway as some are soundtracks with multiple artists.MaybeMaybeMaybe (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. The article Hannah Montana is about the TV show of that name. This is supposed to be albums by artist, and the convention we have in wikipedia is to refer to the artist in question as Miley Cyrus, so her work should be categorized under that name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:G-Dragon & TOP albums

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No participants other than the nominator, whose description is inaccurate, or at best incomplete. The only content is
T.O.P (entertainer). Both those articles exist, and if that had been explained in the nomination it might have created a different outcome to the nominator's recommendation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Artist is a redlink —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chamillionaire mixtapes

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Chamillionaire albums and Category:Mixtape albums.
Proposals are more likely to be well-scrutinised and reach a clear consensus if the nominator takes a few extra seconds to list the merger targets, rather than leaving other editors to go find out what they currently are. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme for Category:Mixtape albums by artist —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Double upmerge to
    BencherliteTalk 22:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Buddy Miles Regiment albums

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge, redlink artist. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tobacco smoking in New Zealand

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Tobacco in New Zealand - jc37 23:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match parent article, it goes agains the current convention, and per
WP:TITLE. Smoking does no need to be qualified with the word tobacco. Coverage of the other major drug that is smoked is in the Cannabis in New Zealand article. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_October_20#Category:Tobacco_in_New_Zealand. Note that there is a Category:Tobacco by country and a Category:Smoking by country. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Oppose, merge into the more general category which is adequate for all the articles on the subject, ie Category:Tobacco in New Zealand (see discussion of 20 Oct about that category). No Smoking. Hugo999 (talk) 12:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • If merging is the issue, then we need a group nomination to eliminate all of the smoking categories. Smoking as a category name is clearly ambiguous since tobacco is not the only thing that is smoked. Conversely, smoking is not the only way to consume tobacco. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The 20 & 28 October proposals related to New Zealand only, and this (28 October) proposal is bypassing the main (20 October) discussion. Hugo999 (talk) 04:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural close—this should not have been proposed while the broader discussion is taking place on the 20 October page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Tobacco in New Zealand. I have to specifically object to Beeswaxcandle's Procedural close nomination. What should not have been done was the creation of this category on Oct. 27th when the parent category was still under discussion. However since this category was created in a manner essentially meant to be an end run around CfD, we should merge it to its parent.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I'm fine with this proposed upmerge. I was more concerned with having two conversations about essentially the same thing. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Genres of death metal

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The proposed action says "delete Category:Subgenres of death metal", but the nominator's rationale says "upmerge", and the one other participant says "delete". The effect of this would be to leave the contents of Category:Subgenres of death metal outside of Category:Death metal, and it is not clear that this is what either editor intended.
When a nominator makes a self-contradictory proposal, other editors are likely to be confused, and the result is a no consensus discussion which wastes everyone's time.
There are standard templates which set out proposed actions clearly, and they can be used very easily with
WP:TWINKLE. Editors should consider using them when making CFD nominations, so that their intentions are made clear. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Has one further subcategory: Category:Subgenres of death metal. I have no clue why that exists underneath this, but either way, just upmerge them all to Category:Death metal. Why would we need these? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Public policy and citizen participation in California

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The result of the discussion was: delete. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category tree for "public policy in foo" is for nation-state level, and there is no established "public policy and citizen participation" category yet. I see what the creator is getting at, but this is not well defined enough. see also Category:Political advocacy groups in the United States, which is by focus, and Category:Advocacy groups, which is also by focus, and for comparison Category:Environmental organizations based in the United States, Category:Environmental organizations based in California. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:42, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Iraqi intellectuals

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The result of the discussion was: delete manually and distribute contents to other categories such as a Category:Iraqi academics, Category:Iraqi scholars, Category:Iraqi writers, where appropriate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete "Intellectual" is too much of a catch-all term to be a sound basis for categorization and we therefore have no Category:Intellectuals or any category of the form Category:Fooian intellectuals. There are many more precise alternatives including Category:Iraqi academics, Category:Iraqi scholars, Category:Iraqi writers among others in Category:Iraqi people by occupation. Pichpich (talk) 03:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Croix du combattant volontaire 1914–1918

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete appears to have been missed during this recent discussion but it should probably go as well. (In particular, its lone parent was zapped by the previous CfD) Pichpich (talk) 03:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Crusaders navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename
C2E. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Rename as (very) ambiguous. I think an overwhelming majority of people opening this category would expect to find navigational boxes about Richard the Lionheart. Pichpich (talk) 02:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. I have no issues with the name being changed at all. I probably should have created it in the suggested name in the first place. Sorry I'm new to this. Mr51cuk (talk) 21:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Four Leaf Records albums

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete or Rename to Four Leaf Clover Records since that appears to be the correct name of the label. That being said, I'd prefer deletion since there's no article about the label and as far as I can tell no article about another album on that label. It's not clear that the label would be sufficiently notable for an article. (The label is mentioned in Jim Riggs and in Sven Scholander but it seems to be of very limited importance). Pichpich (talk) 02:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Subdivisions of India

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The result of the discussion was: Opposed - jc37 23:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The generic term "country subdivision" is used 1500 times in the category namespace. The current name is misleading, since in the context of India "subdivision" may refer to a specific type of country subdivision below districts in Sikkim, Manipur and Lakshadweep; details at
Subdivisions of India. The generic term from the top category can be used as a container for all types of country subdivisions of India. ChemTerm (talk) 00:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC) - Reworded. ChemTerm (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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