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Category:Pritzker Military Library Literature Award Winner for Lifetime Achievement in Military Writing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Cat created by a
talk) 23:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Social enterprise

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. That was easy! I think there could be consensus to rename Category:Social entrepreneurship, but this multiple rename did not allow that issue to have a clear result. Also, it is clear that something needs to be done to cleanup this area. So, back to the drawing board. Maybe with some cleanup, a new approach or individual nominations consensus could be determined. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We have several cats here:

I feel like all are rather poorly differentiated from one another. There are a few (~15-20) articles on the overall field, and then something like 50-100 companies which would qualify as being a social enterprise (but that again needs better definition) - so it does make sense to me to separate the topic from the organizations - but I'm not sure we need 3 cats to do so.
In any case, I'm not sure the best course here, happy to hear your thoughts. I do think we should get rid of all of the people in Category:Social entrepreneurship, and categorize them into the Category:Founders category as appropriate. I note the category Category:Social entrepreneurs was deleted along with the rest of the Entrepreneurs tree back in 2007.Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to merge from three to two The existing Category:Social enterprises seems to be the best repository for organisations with another - I don't know about the name - for individuals involved. S a g a C i t y (talk) 08:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
for the individuals, we have both Category:Non-profit organization founders and Category:Founders of non-governmental organizations, as well as several others. Category:Social entrepreneurs was deleted a while back. I think one cat for the organizations Category:Social enterprises - with some clear criteria for inclusion so it's not a catch-all for all NGOs - and one more for articles about the general space should suffice - but I'm not sure what that cat should be called - perhaps Category:Social entrepreneurship fits best? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can you clarify your suggestion? It sounds like you're proposing to rename, and then redirect, the same category. Also, Category:Organizations supporting social entrepreneurship may be problematic as it could include orgs which support social enterpreneurship (but do really do it) like the Skoll Foundation, instead of social enterprises themselves which I think is more defining. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your first comment on my proposal. However, I would also keep the other sub-cat for social enterprises, and I think this means there would not be the problem that you suggest. Here is my proposed structure:
A social enterprise which also supports others would belong in both the sub- categories.
The parent cat would just hold the sub-cats, the generic articles and the list of social entrepreneurs. – Fayenatic London 22:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment: although I said "renaming Category:Social entrepreneurship", my proposal is not really a rename, but rather restructure, providing a more specific new category which would make that one redundant, given that we are against categorising biographies in this tree. – Fayenatic London 13:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is an organization supporting social entrepreneurship? Something like
Ashoka? The problem is, many major donors in this space (say USAID, Gates, etc) also support social entrepreneurs. I don't think this is defining. I'm ok with the rest of your structure above - a cat for the field of social enterprise, and then a cat for the orgs which are so deemed as "social enterprises", though we still need a decent consensus definition on what that means - that term itself has become quite wonky and overused.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep all, but rename Category:Social entrepreneurship to Category:Social entrepreneurs. I think that's the best solution here: it leaves one category for social enterprises, one category for people involved in the field, and one overarching container catgory. And yes, I'm aware 'Social entrepreneurs' was previously deleted as a category, but it shouldn't have been: like it or not, it's a widely-used term, and for many people it really is the best way of describing their profession. I've come across plenty of articles where I wanted to add that category but was frustrated that it didn't exist (e.g. Joe Green (entrepreneur)). The delete discussion was back in 2007, when the term 'social entrepreneur' was perhaps less widely used than it is now, and it was mistakenly thought of as being redundant to the 'businesspeople' tree when it's actually rather different. Robofish (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I accept that it is a term with some currency, but it still has IMHO major definitional issues - even social enterprise is tricky, but social entrepreneur even more so. Can you point us to some places where this is well and crisply defined, and with some notion of who is *not* a social entrepreneur? I think the founders-by-type-of-org tree is a better place for these people - if they started a business, fine, if they started a non-profit, fine - the rest is more woolly stuff around intent, and while I love that stuff, I'm not sure if we can categorized based on it.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep
    charity organization." And: "The forms social enterprises can take and the industries they operate in are so many and various that it has always been a challenge to define, find and count social enterprises." - This is just too broad for categorisation. - jc37 19:06, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: from April 12 in order to tag the other categories now affected
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 18:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rob Schneider

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added "see also" links for the current sub-cats to the main article. – Fayenatic London 19:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:08, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1920s in Saudi Arabia

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Closing this before we reach consensus on the 1927 categories would be inappropriate as this is part of a series. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Saudi Arabia did not exist in the 1920s (it was established in 1932), so nothing could have happened in Saudi Arabia in the 1920s. As an alternative, the category could be renamed to how the area was known before that time. Dirk Beetstra T C 09:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominators's note - the applicable rename would go to Category:1920s in the Kingdom of Nejd and Hejaz. --Dirk Beetstra T C 05:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films starring Jim Carrey

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The result of the discussion was: speedily delete per
G4 as re-created material. Category:Jim Carrey films was deleted here and a number of other times, and consensus on these types of "films by actor" categories has been unwavering through the years. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Delete We don't keep "films starring Foo" categories for a number of good reasons, the first being that "starring" is hard to define objectively, the second being that these categories quickly lead to clutter. Pichpich (talk) 03:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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