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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 20:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Closeted Gay actors

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete for obvious reasons, starting with BLP.
BencherliteTalk 21:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Per
WP:CAT/EGRS, "Categories that make allegations about sexuality – such as "closeted homosexuals" or "people suspected of being gay" – are not acceptable under any circumstances." Need I say more? Tom Danson (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Kosala

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The result of the discussion was: keep. I see that
WP:CFD. Note: the India noticeboard discussion has been archived to here. – Fayenatic London 20:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: As discussed in Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Request_to_remove.2Fdelete_Category:Kosala_and_its_sub-categories., the category does not have any articles related to Kosala, but all to modern Odisha. Redtigerxyz Talk 20:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While the category is being misused with modern topics, there do appear to be some relevant articles to justify a category for the ancient region (e.g.
    Sravasti). I recommend cleaning up the category instead. Some of the non-relevant subcategories (e.g. Category:Districts in Kosala) should be nominated for deletion separately. SFB 20:13, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • We had discussed the same thing
    talk) 13:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Solanaceae stubs

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The result of the discussion was: narrow the scope and rename to Category:Potato stubs. – Fayenatic London 21:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The associated template is called "Potato-stub" and all stubs currently within this category are related to potatoes. The category is populated solely by that template, which also sorts them into Category:Vegetable stubs

This leads to several problems:

  • Potatoes certainly fall under Solanaceae, but they're not synonymous: Solanaceae is the nightshade family of flowering plants and also includes tomatoes, eggplants, tobacco, petunias, daturas, mandrakes and chili peppers, amongst others.
  • Because of the difference between the template and the category's name, a lot of Solanaceae-related articles (that is, everything not potato-related, and even some potato-related articles) remain in its parent Category:Solanales stubs
  • While many plants in the Solanaceae family are or produce vegetables, this cannot quite be said for all of them. Beyond the whole "tomato as fruit or vegetable"-issue (where it basically depends on if one is speaking from a biological or culinary perspective), there also are matters to consider like Datura and Tobacco.

As a result, this categorization is a bit of a mess. I personally see a few options:

  • Narrow the scope to potatoes, tomatoes and eggplants, each of which is part of the genus Solanum. Rename to Solanum stubs and recategorize the appropriate stubs from Category:Solanales stubs into it. Either change the stub-sorting template to reflect this or add two more templates, one for tomato and one for eggplant.
  • Narrow the scope to potato-related stubs, which seems to be the de-facto usage of the category. This would include renaming to Potato stubs or similar.
  • Keep the stub category as is, but specifically include all Solanaceae-related stubs into it. De jure this would be keeping things as-is, but de facto this would be a broadening of the scope. In this case, at the very least a more general template should be added which does not also feed the stub into vegetable-stubs. Template:Potato-stub would then basically degrade to upmerged template and it probably would be useful to have some upmerged templates for other similar groups. (The latter part of that is more of an issue for the stub-sorting project, though)
  • Merge the articles in here back into Category:Solanales stubs and Category: Solanaceae and delete the current category.

This outcome would be the least preferable in my opinion. It is a stub-category that certainly could be useful. It is currently under-populated, but that seems to be mostly the case because no matter which definition one holds, a fair few (if defining scope as "potato-related") to a lot (if defining scope as "Solanum-related" or "Solanaceae-related") of articles are miscategorized into its parent. Beyond that, even choosing the most narrow scope ("potato-related") there are a lot of stubs that lack stub-sorting altogether or are only stub-sorted into a different sorting-tree (generally, "agriculture" or "vegetable"). AddWittyNameHere (talk) 19:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People born in Jammu & Kashmir

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The result of the discussion was: speedy merge C2C. – Fayenatic London 23:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't categorise by place of birth on the English Wikipedia, but rather where a person is from. Since we already have Category:People from Jammu and Kashmir, I propose that this category should be deleted. Jared Preston (talk) 19:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We categorize by where people are from, not by specifically where they are born.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Category:People from Jammu and Kashmir. It has been policy not to try to define this too precisely. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support merge per Peterkingiron – defining this more narrowly than "from" often limits navigation benefits, as many people are born in unrelated nearby areas due to logistics/infrastruture, rather than association or living arrangement. SFB 21:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Plus, there are certain numbers of people who are born far away while their parents are on vacation, temporarily serving in a military force, or diplomats among other things. We have multiple articles in Wikipedia on people who are by every possible definition American who were born in Germany while their fathers were serving as part of the 50-plus year American occupation of that country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bishops of Stockport Borough

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename C2D and
WP:G6. – Fayenatic London 23:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Unintended consequence of a
BencherliteTalk 12:00, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply
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Mayors of towns in Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Mayors of places in the Republic of Ireland. Although these were not mentioned, it is also necessary to upmerge to the other parents: Category:People from Sligo (town)/Category:Politicians from County Sligo and Category:Local councillors in County Kilkenny/Category:People from Kilkenny (city). – Fayenatic London 22:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy nominations. These are sub-categories of Category:Sligo (town) and Category:Kilkenny (city) respectively, and therefore should use those names instead of the ambiguous Sligo (as can be seen at Category:Sligo) and Kilkenny (as can be seen at Category:Kilkenny). Armbrust The Homunculus 06:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy noms
  • Comment Should we have these categories at all? Are they Executive mayors or merely chairman of the council. In England, such mayors would fail
    WP:POLITICIAN and the articles would be deleted unless they were notable for other reasons, which would apply to two of the 3 articles in the Sligo category now. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Actually, all three of the people in the Sligo category do have more substantive claims of notability than just the mayoralty; two of the three served as Teachta Dála, and the other one is a former national chairperson of one of the country's major political parties. So they all pass NPOL on those positions — but you're correct that a mayor of Sligo wouldn't qualify for an article just for being mayor of Sligo. Bearcat (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: Refactored slightly to combine into one discussion. Category talk pages have now been tagged with WikiProjects Politics and Ireland, so that this should appear on the Alerts for those projects.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 10:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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