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Category:Indigenous peoples of the Americas by century

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This has been renamed (incorrectly) out-of-process. The subcats are all 'people' categories, as opposed to 'peoples'.
Oculi (talk) 23:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Comment: @
Oculi: Have a look at the history. I just recently created Category:Indigenous people of the Americas by century and renamed it as it seems the term 'Indigenous peoples' is more commonly used everywhere I looked. I even nominated a merger. I didn't rename it out of process because I just created it and nobody else had even edited it. --Slivicon (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2015 (UTC) Edit: I just noticed your comment on my merger. So, basically, if you're correct in that they should both be kept, I don't really care if you want to rename this back, since I'm the one that created it in the first place. My goal is consistency, nothing else. I just thought having both "Indigenous people of the Americas" and "Indigenous peoples of the Americas" was a mistake, but if you're correct, then apparently it was intentional. --Slivicon (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Rastafari movement

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2015 SEP 1 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Main article moved from
Rastafari Movement to Rastafari through discussion, but basically that title and other previous titles (like Rastafarian and Rastafarianism) are reductive titles created by non-adherents. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Rastafarians

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2015 SEP 1 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Similar to the above. This is complicated by the fact that the Religion Rastafari is also the term for the adherents in the singular or plural form. The term Rastafarian is considered reductive and offensive. My inclination is Category:Rastafari practitioners ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1915 establishments in Formosa

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Note that there is no longer a duplication of categories, since Category:1915 establishments in Taiwan has been deleted after this discussion started. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Taiwan is the common name for the category, rather than the name of Formosa. Ricky81682 (talk) 20:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films set in mountains

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unless we're talking about the adventures of Middle Earth dwarves and such *inside* mountains -- which we are not -- this has got to be "on," I'd say.
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Category:Anti-austerity measures protests in the European Union

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Anti-austerity protests in the European Union. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2D per Anti-austerity movement. Charles Essie (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd really keep "protests" in the category name, C2C to parent and per actual content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indigenous people of the Americas

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Appears to be attempting to be the same category. 'Indigenous peoples' seems to be the more common naming. Slivicon (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taito NESiCAxLive games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While Taito created and maintains the NESiCAxLive arcade system, not all games using the service are developed by them. Companies that support this arcade system include Arc System Works, Square Enix, CAVE, Treasure, and SNK Playmore to name a few. It would be incorrect to tag some of their games under the umbrella of "Taito games" when "NESiCAxLive games" is definitely more apt. Jotamide (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The above rationale is good. The category was likely named as such because the original NESiCAxLive page was named
Taito NESiCAxLive (before being renamed) and this led to the reason why the category is named as such. The change in name to just NESICAxLive was done to bring the page into sync with wikipedia pages in other languages, and lets be honest there are no other NESiCAxLives around. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Category: Matthews family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Merging to Category:Wesley Clover is unnecessary because the two relevant articles are directly in that category already. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People with alcoholism or addiction

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining, full of potential BLP issues and all too similar to previously deleted Categories Category:People with alcoholism, Category:Alcoholics. Egghead06 (talk) 15:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Unless self-confessed, this is potentially libellous. There is also an issue of verification, quite apart from (regrettably) beiing too common to merita category. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep not sure I follow the libel argument because each person in the category mentions their alcoholism or their addiction. It is characterized as a disease by modern medicine. Other diseases have categories. Spell out the BLP issues, so that I can respond.--JumpLike23 (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-defining, plus the obvious verification problems. I've already removed it from a couple of articles about people who may have been heavy drinkers but alcoholism was absolutely unverified. Glancing through the list, there are others. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then, merge there needs to be a category for people who self-identify as addicts or alcoholics based on coverage the subject gets. The Libel and BLP point doesn't work because many of those people have significant coverage of their treatment for drug and alcohol abuse or drug and alcohol abuse per se. How is that different than the people with cancer category? --JumpLike23 (talk) 05:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Even the self identifying alcoholics category got deleted in 2012 for similar seasons.--Egghead06 (talk) 05:49, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How then do we tag people who are notable for their drug and alcohol addictions or their work toward recovery who are still living?--JumpLike23 (talk) 06:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why do we need to? I'd question whether anyone was notable for their drug or alcohol addictions. All of these subjects are notable for other things, and they just happen to have (had) drug or alcohol problems. Drug / alcohol addictions are not defining characteristics with respect to notability. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that no one on here is notable for their drug and alcohol abuse per se. However, my point is that the subject itself receives coverage such that it is notable and worthy of a category. I agree that the language may be problematic, which may make the category untenable. I think we should try to make it work though.--JumpLike23 (talk) 23:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then listify instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not defining. Neutralitytalk 23:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not defining, as are most physical/medical characteristics - people with cleft palates, left-handed people, people with glass eyes, people with false limbs, people with wikiphobia, or whatever. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Besides BLP issues and being at times non-defining, there is also the fact that the name is unclear. Does it mean alcoholism or alcohol addiction, or does it mean any addiction. The fact that it is unclear makes it a non-workable category name. If it includes any addiction, it has extremely fuzzy limits. In fact being an alcoholic is hard to define. Then there is the issue of the fact that many people are only alcohlics for part of their lives. The whole thing is a mess.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I concede.--JumpLike23 (talk) 06:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Indian comedy horror films

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus without prejudice to a fresh rename nomination for the parent category and all country categories simultaneously. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article is
horror comedy. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:27, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
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