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Category:Local governments

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Despite the broad scope of the title, this is actually a set of administrative wards in the
Pangani District within the Tanga Region
of Tanzania.
These pages are all categorised appropriately under Category:Wards of Tanzania (check here, so I don't see any need to rename or otherwise rescue. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional oaths

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I will place the article in Category:Fictional events, as suggested by User:Marcocapelle; however, this is subject to editorial judgment outside of the consensus here. -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT, only one article. 108.210.219.55 (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Delete the article is already in another category. There is no need for this one entry category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Vodou

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 00:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Surprisingly, we don't have an overarching article about all of vodon/vodou/voodoo. But the disambiguation page is at
recognizable form for English readers. Since all six (!) spellings at Voodoo#Religions are legitimate for their particular traditions, I don't see a reason to favor the Haitian form over the most recognizable one. If the request is successful, I'll make a CFDS C2C request to update most of the child categories, though those associated with a specific tradition (e.g., Category:Dominican Vudú) should keep their respective spellings, of course. BDD (talk) 18:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Opera Software

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 00:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: New name for company ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:30, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Road vehicles by country

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Move Category:Taxicabs by country to Category:Vehicles by country or Cars by country, and consider deleting Category:Road vehicles in Singapore later. --Vossanova o< 17:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Vossanova: The two subcategories weren't tagged for CfD yet, I have done that now. More importantly, the proposal lacks a rationale, could you please explain why you think these proposed changes are useful? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia procedure header templates

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The result of the discussion was: rename. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Slightly broader name, for the scope of what's in it. Not all of them are procedures strictly speaking, but they're all kind procedural, relating to procedures, processes, features, etc., rather than something topical like "notability" or "humor", nor being a type of page like "policy" or "essay".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  17:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia proposals in brainstorming stage

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge.
(non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 13:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Category:Wikipedia draft proposals. Same thing, so use the shorter name, which matches the template ({{Draft proposal}}).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  16:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support upmerge, it does not distinguish itself from the parent category because one can always brainstorm about every draft proposal (preferably on the talk page). However, not all content of this category can be classified as a draft proposal, there are also contributions that read more like an essay. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure; I have no objection to re-categorizing some as essays, and I've been doing incremental work to better categorize essays by subject and type.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  12:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge per nom, unnecessary categorization. VegaDark (talk) 05:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films scored by Gopi Sunder

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: misspelt. See the article moved Tijd-jp (talk) 14:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Roman governors of Britain

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: to match the name of the province, as opposed to a later state. All other Governors of.. categories use the province name. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Religion and drugs cats

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I started the whole series of "Cannabis and religion", "Tobacco and religion", etc cats, but somehow I didn't standardize the order, so most of them are "X and religion", but the main cat and the alcohol one are "Religion and X". I think putting religion last makes sense since the drugs are subsets of the larger topic of religion. I'm open to suggestions but I think just "x and religion" flows smoothest. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 09:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Long songs

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: They are not actually long songs, but long recordings of songs. Besides the obvious, what exactly is the encyclopedic worth of this category, the Guinness Book of records might have space for the longest recording, but all of them with WP entries? No. Richhoncho (talk) 09:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete how long is long? Why forty minutes? Mangoe (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Hi, I'm the one the made the category; sorry if it doesn't meet guidelines, I wasn't trying to clutter things. I made it in good faith, thinking categories were just to aid people in finding similar articles. To address a few points, I'm not sure what the distinction is between a "long song" and a "long recording of a song". I only added articles to the category that are considered single songs by the artist, not that are simply mashed together live performances or something. As for the forty minutes number, I figured it was a line of exceptionality. There are plenty of thirty minute and below songs, but only a few forty and above that I could think of. Maybe the name is wrong, maybe it should be "Song that are above 40 minutes"; I don't know. CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A category is supposed to be something defining. Is the length of a recording really defining? Why? Secondly, a song has no specific length of time, or at least it can be variable, it is the recording of that song which has the specific length, i.e. different recordings of the same song will be of different lengths. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely think having a song (or, as you point out, a track) exceed forty minutes in length is defining. It's exceptional, out of the norm, and interesting. To create a song in the modern era that is that long takes a conscious effort to step out of standard conventions. As such, much of the album's surrounding structure will be altered to accommodate. Or, in some cases, the whole album will be composed of one song--which is undoubtedly an interesting deviation from what it expected. As to the difference between a song and a recording of a song, I think it's a little pedantic to look at a 50-minute track and say the nebulous "song" nestled within could be, in some pure form, 20 minutes shorter. When dealing with such large numbers, I think it's clear that the amount of wiggle room has been exceeded. And if that is the major hang-up, then the category could be renamed to 'Recordings of songs that exceed 40 minutes'. CelestialWeevil (talk) 15:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A classic example of the sort of category which by its nature must fail on either
    WP:ARBITRARYCAT (if a cut-off point is set). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Kimang'a Ward

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT. IN each case, the only content is the head article. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:History of flags

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The result of the discussion was: keep. -- Tavix (talk) 04:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, also it is not very clear how this subcategory distinguishes itself from the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Eliticides

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The result of the discussion was: delete as
WP:SOFTDELETE due to low participation. – Fayenatic London 00:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles in the category. No need to upmerge, both articles are in the tree of Category:Genocide already. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Asian antelopes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 23:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other subcats of Category:Mammals of Asia. DexDor (talk) 06:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sport in Morshyn

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per
WP:SMALLCAT. The Polish town of Morshyn is small. We currently have no Category:Morshyn, and AFAICS no content to populate Category:Morshyn apart from FC Skala Stryi (2004), which is the only article in Category:Sport in Morshyn. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Subcategories of Category:Fictional starfighters

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A small subcategory of an already underpopulated category. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 01:23, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I will only support a merge if those conditions are met. Charles Essie (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to other categories per Fayenatic London. They don't seem to have much potential for expansion.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:DC Comics weapons

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 5#Category:DC Comics weapons
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which is already in Category:Fictional weapons. Could probably be expanded, though, but useless as is. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 01:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Smallcat only applies if the category has no potential for expansion. This one can be expanded with articles from the parent category, it just hasn't been populated.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:18, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Zxcvbnm: Just for my understanding, which articles in the parent category are you referring to? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lasso of Truth, Power Ring, Trick Arrows, Invisible Plane and possibly more. I believe I left a message for someone to change the infobox so that weapons got sorted into that category rather than the objects one and that is why I left it blank but I am not sure if anyone did.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional televisual devices

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The result of the discussion was: partial merge and delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inclusion criteria (“resembling” the
WP:SMALLCAT as well. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 01:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Time viewing devices

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two articles and the main, the latter of which is tagged for notability as of November 2015. If this is an appropriate category, then it needs to be renamed to Category:Time viewers in line with its main article. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 00:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mirror of Galadriel, so that's three pages and two redirects already. It seems likely to me that other present and future works do/will notably feature time viewers, even if those listed in the main article don't have articles of their own. – Fayenatic London 23:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Robotech spacecraft

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP: SMALLCAT. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 00:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Andromeda (TV series) spacecraft

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 00:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Aerialbots

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looks like a
WP:SMALLCAT. Both articles are already in Category:Autobots, but not this one. 2600:387:A:5:0:0:0:A3 (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply
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