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Category:Redirected fictional character articles

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category name is a relic from back when loads of fictional character articles existed and were merged/redirected in vast quantities. It's now added to any new redirect via Template:R from fictional character, which is misleading since a lot of the time a separate character article never existed. The new name would have parity with Category:Redirects from fictional locations and Category:Redirects from fictional elements. Xezbeth (talk) 20:48, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename, very sensible. Thanks for giving the history. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Characters created by J. J. Abrams

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:23, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: How do we know that Abrams created every character in Lost, Fringe, and Alias? He may have co-created the shows and served as an Executive Producer but these shows lasted for years and Abrams most likely had less input as they went on. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom's rationale... seems like a relatively impossible property to verify. The category is probably more accurately "Characters from works created by J. J. Abrams", which is of dubious value. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as above. It's interesting to note that no-one has created redirects for Jaylah or Krall from Star Trek Beyond, which I was expecting to see here. Some things do change. – Fayenatic London 09:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spain under-20 international footballers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is a long established convention at
WP:FOOTBALL that, in relation to international footballer categories, we use 'youth', 'under-20 or under-21' (whichever is the most senior youth level, as Africa and the Americas have under-20 and Europe has under-21) and senior - so for example Category:England youth international footballers, Category:England under-21 international footballers and Category:England international footballers. Spain, being a European country, has an under-21 team as the most senior youth level, and Category:Spain under-21 international footballers exists accordingly. As such, we should not have a Spain under-20 category, and its entries should be moved to Category:Spain youth international footballers and then this category deleted. GiantSnowman 16:35, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Inter&anthro: as explained, the long-establish ed convention for youth categories is to have the most senior youth level (either U20 or U21, depending on confederation - but for Spain, in UEFA, that is U21 and not U20) and then just 'youth' for everything below that. This category has been created and populated in error. GiantSnowman 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wrocław University of Technology

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The main article is Wrocław University of Science and Technology. Is there some reason for using different names? Seeing that it's a potential translation issue (the Polish name for this subject is pl:Politechnika Wrocławska), I didn't want to submit this for a speedy rename. Nyttend (talk) 15:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Performing groups disestablished in the 2010s

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Has only one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:NASCAR teams established in 2005

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only has one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dead (band) albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Albums category for an artist without an article. The entries here are two split albums that redirect to another notable band but with no info about the releases or this band. I removed the other parent categories except for "Albums by artist" since no sourceable info exists on the band in the English Wikipedia to be able to place it in genre/nationality categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gut (band) albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are 17 redirected album titles in this category (and only those titles), all of which redirect to the main article, Gut (band), which offers little to no info about these albums beyond a discography section. Categorization of redirects can be useful but not when the entire set within the category point to the same article with nothing to say about those topics. As a reader, I find it extremely frustrating when clicking through such categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Organisations based in the European Union

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Organisations related to the European Union. Timrollpickering 21:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a rather tentative suggestion, but I think the point of this category is not about where the organisations are based, but about how they relate to the EU - and this would include a lot of lobbying, thinktank and commercial organisations. Rathfelder (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Organisations based in Europe includes thousands of articles, and is considerably wider, geographically speaking. There are actually quite a lot of organisations which relate to the EU, but there isn't a category for them. Rathfelder (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What type of relationships with the EU are they about? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are actually only two articles in the category at the moment, but I've just found Category:Cross-European advocacy groups which I think is the same general idea, although there isn't an article to tell me what exactly is meant. I don't like its title because I don't know what it is supposed to mean, and of course even the term European is ambiguous. There is also Category:Pan-European trade and professional organisations. Maybe Pan-European and Cross-European mean the same? So I think we need at least a category relating to the EU, and perhaps another one (or more?), for organisations relating other, wider, conceptions of Europe. I guess most of the organisations I'm thinking about are based in Europe - in fact most are based in Brussels - but where they are based in not the basis of the category. Rathfelder (talk) 15:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is for official organisations which are part of the EU. There are large numbers of lobbying and advocacy groups and the like which dont belong there.Rathfelder (talk) 08:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • For sure advocacy groups don't belong there. But do they belong in a EU category at all? Can you give some examples of advocacy groups that exclusively lobby within EU government bodies? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Classical Palestine

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2018 DEC 3 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: split, the word 'classical' is normally used only for the Greek and Roman civilizations as such (besides Classical Greece preceded Hellenism), I have never seen it been used for countries in the Middle East in the Hellenistic or Roman era. Since we already have a Greek and Roman category in this case, the content can simply be dispersed. This is a follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - while Israel in the Roman era may imply to the Hasmonean Kingdom and Palestine in the Roman era may imply Roman Palaestina, the State of Palestine in the Roman era is a completely anachronistic notion. I do not like anachronistic categories. Period.GreyShark (dibra) 07:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Israel/Palestine was first occupied by the Syrians (Seleucids), then independent, and finally conquered by the Romans. Having a parent category for these three very different periods (other than an Ancient parent category) makes little sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • These alternatives wrongly conflates a "by region" tree structure with a "by modern state" tree structure. The two should be kept separate. This nom is about the region. Open separate discussions for the "by state" questions please. They also wrongly conflate different time periods when entirely different cultural pressures were brought to bear on the regions under discussion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Classical Syria

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2018 DEC 3 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, based on the category content this is apparently about the post-Seleucid, hence Roman, period in Syrian history. Further rationale see nomination below. This is a follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Syria in the Roman era refers to Roman Syria and should be renamed.GreyShark (dibra) 20:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This suggests it was a single era, which is factually incorrect. In the Hellenistic period Syria was not Greek, it was an independent country and just had Greek cultural influences. That changed entirely when the Romans occupied the country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia categories that should not contain articles

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: How is this different from
talk) 13:08, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
The exact meaning of this category is unclear, but it certainly isn't the same thing as container categories. For example, categories for dab/talk pages should not contain articles but are not necessarily container categories. DexDor (talk) 20:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Struck vote, below comments may give more food for thought. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I doubt that this category is actually helpful and would lean towards deletion, but a better rationale might be helpful.
    talk) 20:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
    ]
The previous CFD had a more detailed rationale. DexDor (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as afaics this category is confusing without being useful for anything. It's confusing because it's not clear whether it's supposed to be for categories that shouldn't contain articles or only for articles that shouldn't directly contain articles. This category doesn't (e.g. from looking at inlinks to it) appear to be being used in any processes. I haven't found this category useful (e.g. when creating
    User:DexDor/NSCat). DexDor (talk) 20:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - it is certainly confusing.
    Oculi (talk) 01:54, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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See my comment above re what's unclear about the category scope. Would you be in favour of similar "should not contain" categories (rather than or instead of lists) for dab pages, templates, talk pages, user pages ...? DexDor (talk) 22:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People associated with oil shale

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, and per
WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply
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We don't have a Category:Researchers and developers tree. DexDor (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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