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Category:Spa towns in Montenegro

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT 1P, 0C. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:LGBT people with disabilities

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Category:Rappers from Round Rock

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per
WP:SMALLCAT (1 article). User:Namiba 20:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Reliefs in Hungary

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The result of the discussion was: merge. There is no value in keeping a category until we have enough articles to populate it.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I created the category because I think there is a potential in having a separate category for notable reliefs. Hungarian art history is still underrepresented on English Wikipedia but I hope that gradually new articles will be written about notable artworks and added to the category.Zello (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:11th-century rulers in Al-Andalus

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The result of the discussion was: rename just second as per nom..
Nominator's rationale: All people in this category are already called/categorised as "emir" of a
WP:CATSPECIFIC for emirs and caliphs than "rulers". Grammatical point: 'al-Andalus' should be written with a lowercase 'a' unless at the start of a sentence. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:Musical Artists

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per
WP:CSD#G11. ✗plicit 05:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Self-promotional category. This really should be speedy deletable but it doesn't quite fit any CSD criteria, so I guess here we go. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Female-led UK punk bands of the 21st Century

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Category:Dutch-speaking countries and territories

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:09, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:C2D per main article List of countries and territories where Afrikaans or Dutch are official languages. Currently, countries and territories where Afrikaans is an official language (which according to the infobox at Afrikaans seem to be South Africa, Northern Cape, Western Cape, City of Cape Town, and Namibia) are not included in the category, and do not have their own category. The current category scope is limited to Dutch per parent Category:Dutch language, and I recommend to keep it like that. At Talk:Dutch language#Official language of the Netherlands, Austronesier and I have so far not been able to reach consensus on whether Dutch is an or the "official language of the Netherlands", but for the time being Netherlands can stay in this category until agreement is reached. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Support It should not matter if a country has more than one official language. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rugby union players that played in the NFL

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:TRIVIALCAT, playing in the NFL has nothing to do with playing rugby. A similar category was deleted in 2020 by consensus. A follow-up discussion on this one led to no consensus. User:Namiba 16:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Meng Huo and associates

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete in the spirit of
WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Delete per nom,
WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH, and precedent. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Delete per nom. SAAeh (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Three Kingdoms nobility

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:6th-millennium BC people

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 11#Category:7th-millennium BC people, which resulted in "no consensus", but a suggest[ion to] start a new nomination just focusing on the earlier categories. Alright, here it is. Barum Woman is the only item in Category:7th-millennium BC people, and Minnesota Woman is the only item in Category:6th-millennium BC people. Minnesota Woman is also already in target Category:Human remains (archaeological). The dating of these prehistoric women's lives is so difficult and wide-ranging that not even millennia can be accurate categories for them. And as we know nothing about their lives except from what can be (re)constructed from their archaeological remains, that is the appropriate category, and we should take them out of these inaccurate and unhelpful millennia categories. The previous CfM was unhelpful in suggesting Category:Ancient people as a target, because Ancient history is generally considered not to begin until c. 3000 BCE. And however vague the datings of the Barum and Minnesota Women are, they definitely lived and died at least 2000 years before then, so 'ancient' doesn't really apply to them. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging previous participants: @Qwerfjkl, Fayenatic london, PamD, Marcocapelle, Est. 2021, and Pppery: for your information. I expect we will be able to find agreement on just these two more easily, so let's do these first. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to tag me. — Qwerfjkltalk 16:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I just wanted to let you know I acted upon your advice to start a new CFM for just the oldest ones. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Veo cómo cantas

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per form of parent Category:International versions of I Can See Your Voice.
Note: In May 2023,
the Spanish counterpart of the same name.[3]

References

  1. ^ "TelevisaUnivision presenta sus grandes apuestas para el 2023-2024". Univision (in Spanish). TelevisaUnivision. 16 May 2023. Retrieved 17 May 2023.
  2. ^ "TelevisaUnivision Reinforces Its Position as Home of Hispanic America at 2023-24 Upfront Presentation". Univision (Press release). TelevisaUnivision. 16 May 2023. Retrieved 17 May 2023.
  3. ^ "Así es 'Veo cómo cantas', el formato de Antena 3 de los creadores de 'Mask singer'". El Español (in Spanish). 20 January 2021. Retrieved 28 February 2021.
Saisønisse (talk) 06:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Category has just been tagged, so it should be open for another 7 days.
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Category:Diasporas by destination country

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Category:A-Class Johnny Depp articles

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per
WP:G5. Besides the consensus in the discussion, these categories were created by a sock puppet evading his block. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Cluster of badly-formatted class-rating categories for a Wikiproject, none of which have any articles filed in them at all -- instead, they were curating lists of talk pages as text, which is not at all how this is done. Categories such as this must be transcluded by the use of class and quality assessment code in the Wikiproject template, not by listing talk pages on the category page in text format or by directly adding the category to the talk page itself -- but the newly created {{WikiProject Johnny Depp}} features no such category-generating code at all.
The categories, further, were listing a lot of extremely wrongheaded pages that wouldn't be appropriate for inclusion in Johnny Depp project categories even if they were properly formatted: for instance, the list in the GA-Class category included the likes of Talk:Aerosmith, Talk:Al Pacino, Talk:Benedict Cumberbatch, Talk:Bob Marley, Talk:Keith Richards, Talk:Michelle Pfeiffer and Talk:Patti Smith, and the C-Class category listed things like Talk:Alfred Molina and Talk:Cannes Film Festival -- i.e. anybody or anything that has any tenuous or tangential connection to Johnny Depp at all, regardless of whether that connection does or doesn't have any importance to the other topic's article whatsoever. But that's not how WikiProject categories work either: Bob Marley doesn't belong in a Johnny Depp category just because Johnny Depp once owned a portrait of Bob Marley; Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't belong in a Johnny Depp category just because they were once castmates in a movie, and on and so forth. (Can you even imagine if we tagged every actor's biographical article as being under the auspices of a dedicated WikiProject for every other actor they had ever been in a film with, and every film festival as being under the auspices of a dedicated WikiProject for every individual actor who ever attended it because he was in a film screening there? No, just absolute no.) So I can't justify adding the appropriate code to the project template to properly populate these categories either, because the overwhelming majority of the pages in the lists wouldn't even warrant the template anyway.
It's questionable whether a WikiProject Johnny Depp (itself newly created within the past two days by somebody who clearly didn't know what they were doing, and didn't go through the proper process for launching new WikiProjects to get any guidance on how to do any of it correctly either) is even necessary at all, if it needs to commandeer Bob Marley and Benedict Cumberbatch and Keith Richards just to have articles to oversee, but that's a question for a different forum than CFD -- but even if it is maintained, project categories should only be created by people who actually know how to do that properly, and how to correctly assess what articles belong in the tree. Bearcat (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added that to this batch. Thanks for the catch! Bearcat (talk) 15:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. Not even sure if this WikiProject is at all necessary in the first place. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as per nomination. Sorry, but Johnny Depp is not special enough to have a WikiProject. I do not think any individual should be. Peaceray (talk) 03:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cham Albanians

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The result of the discussion was: split.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Current description suggests the category is only meant for people. jlwoodwa (talk) 08:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Presumably the content can be diffused to two subcategories without deletion of the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split per nom. Organisations and people by ethnicity are very different trees so I think nom is right. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Things named after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

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The result of the discussion was: delete all.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete, prime example of
WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Support the expansion. (This is a clarification of my earlier !vote, not a 2nd one.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This stuff is good for a list article or a disambiguation page, not a category. Place Clichy (talk) 13:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listification of the categories is in principle a good idea and just copying and pasting the content of a category to plain text is easy enough. But the question is if someone is going to take the effort to turn them into proper medium-quality list articles. Unless someone wants to volunteer for making proper list articles right now, my suggestion would be to add a list, without any additions, on every of the six talk pages of the respective biography articles for anyone interested in the topic to elaborate it to an acceptable list article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Would an article list with no content end up being deleted? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
CSD A3 would definitely apply if it's standalone. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
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Enigmatic taxa

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:08, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Fix left over ungrammatical uses of "enigmatic" in some categories, and a few "incertae sedis" categories were left that were not renamed to use "enigmatic" instead. (More to be added if I find any) See previous CfDs renaming "incertae sedis" categories to use the word "enigmatic" instead, and subsequently fixing use of the word "enigmatic" in some of them: March 2021, November 2021, Jan 2022. Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per precedent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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