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Category:Venezuelan protests (2014–present)

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Main article moved to same title (Protests against Nicolás Maduro), more specific. NoonIcarus (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Charles Essie (talk) 23:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The move has not been disputed since it was done on 4 November 2022, and the title was proposed even earlier in 2019, without any feedback, so this really seems like a uncontroversial move. I have mentioned Maduro in both the first paragraph and in the infobox now, but if anyone finds the move objectionable I don't mind that there is a wider discussion on the matter. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in absence of any further challenge to the move of the main article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trans men

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Transgender foo-related topics.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: The current setup is needlessly confusing. Category:Transgender men contains articles about individual people, while Category:Trans men covers related topics. Ditto for Category:Transgender women and Category:Trans women. I would like to rename the topic categories to make their scope more obvious, but I can't think of a way to do so gracefully. (I am very open to any better suggestions.) Cheers, gnu57 20:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's then wait with the alternative until and if the article is renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:25, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Works by writer nationality

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus on whether the possessive was necessary. The additional discussion about whether nationality is defining could better and more thoroughly discussed in a separate nomination, but insofar as it was discussed in this discussion, there was no consensus.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Following the precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 May 19#Category:Poems by nationality, the possessive form would be better. – Fayenatic London 10:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added "if renamed" in my previous comment, as I prefer to remain neutral about a 's matter. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I have no objection to jc37's alt proposal. Pinging
    Fgnievinski, Peterkingiron as participants in the previous CFD who are still active here. – Fayenatic London 09:51, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
"A" is not a definite article, it's an
headlinese
, as often adopted in category titles, it's not uncommon for minor words to be dropped (typically articles, short prepositions, and some conjunctions).
About the possessive or not, I've consulted ChatGPT [2]:

In terms of English grammar, the expression "writer's nationality" is preferable to "writer nationality." Here's why:
In English, when we want to indicate possession or association, we typically use the possessive form by adding an apostrophe and an "s" ('s) to the noun. This construction is called the "genitive case" or "possessive case." It helps clarify the relationship between two nouns.
In the case of "writer's nationality," the noun "writer" is being used to indicate possession or association with the noun "nationality." By using the possessive form, we show that the nationality belongs to or is associated with the writer. The apostrophe-s ('s) indicates the possessive relationship.
On the other hand, "writer nationality" does not convey the possessive relationship. Instead, it presents "writer" and "nationality" as separate nouns without any indication of ownership or association between them.
Here are some examples to illustrate the difference:
Correct: The writer's nationality is British. (The possessive form clarifies that the nationality belongs to the writer.)
Incorrect: The writer nationality is British.
Correct: I'm interested in knowing the writer's nationality. (The possessive form indicates that we want to know the nationality associated with the writer.)
Incorrect: I'm interested in knowing the writer nationality.
Therefore, when discussing the nationality of a writer or any other possessive relationship, it is more grammatically accurate to use the possessive form "writer's nationality."

I'd appreciate any sources contradicting the above guidance.
fgnievinski (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
reliable source
? That's interesting to note...
Anyway, you're correct, "a" is an indefinite article. I phrased that poorly. Though that's pretty much immaterial here, as I note below.
As for the rest, category titles double as the inclusion criteria of a category. So when we categorise, we're talking about a topic. So "writer nationality" is the topic, not 2 unrelated words. So no, you're incorrect about usage in this case, because we are not writing a sentence about a particular writer's nationality. - jc37 03:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We're not discussing article content, so I'm not sure WP:RS applies. I've brought usage examples and guidance from a popular tool. It'd be nice to have any external source supporting your interpretation. Anyways, I've weakened my vote in deference to your vehemence. Kind of reverse appeal to authority, as I assume you have special training in the subject.
fgnievinski (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Note: additional related proposals -- seeking a wider consensus:

fgnievinski (talk) 21:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support use of the possessive case ('s). Even if it's BritVar it's still more correct IMHO. 09:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Note: the above vote is by user Laurel Lodged.

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  • Question At the risk of making a complex discussion even more complex: how is the nationality of the writer of a work
    WP:NONDEFINING. But maybe I'm wrong? Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Somewhere (I forgot where) there is an instruction that we may diffuse by e.g. nationality, irrespective of definingness, if otherwise it would lead to exceptionally large categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Except in this case (as I note below) there's no need for this entire tree at all - it should probably be uprooted... - jc37 05:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    if otherwise it would lead to exceptionally large categories. Fair enough, but if I (randomly) look at Category:Works by musician nationality, for instance, I'm seeing lots of 1C 0P. So, too, with Category:Sailboat type designs by nationality of designer. Lots of redundant layers that don't seem to aid navigation.
    Who is really setting out to read Wikipedia to search for Category:Sailboat type designs by Slovenian designers anyway? Nothing against Slovenian sailboat designers, they're probably good at their profession, but it's oddly specific and has only 1 item. So does Category:Slovenian yacht designers. It's sub-sub-subcategorisation run amok. (Except that they're not designing submarines, but you get my point. ) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:48, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) - You know, that's a fair point.
    Something like
    Italian Opera is a thing, which is subcatted under Category:Opera by country, which is part of the Category:Performing arts by country tree. And any creators should already be under the Category:Works by creator
    tree. We probably shouldn't be further intersecting by nationality.
    Maybe the whole Category:Works by creator nationality tree should be nominated for deletion. - jc37 05:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Also good points. When I read the opening lines of Italian opera, I see Italian opera is both the art of opera in Italy and opera in the Italian language. Category:Italian-language operas (language-based) might thus be even more accurate and specific than Category:Italian music (country-based). If some opera performance group in, say, the Swiss region of Ticino, would like to write and perform a new opera piece in the Italian language, I think - depending on several characteristics - we would still call it "Italian opera". It's not like Italy as a country or Italians as a nationality have a monopoly on writing or performing an Italian(-language) opera. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if we changed Category:Opera by country to Category:Opera in Italy more specifically, as Italy is where this style/genre of opera originated and is apparently the dominant form of opera in that country (not surprising).
    I wouldn't even mind designating Italian opera as the main article of both Category:Italian-language operas and Category:Opera in Italy. It's an intersection of the country/nationality and language trees; probably neither can claim it exclusively for themselves.
    Nominating the whole Category:Works by creator nationality tree might be a good follow-up; let's just first establish consensus here. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    PS: Nationality is evidently relevant for biographies of creators, writers etc. but I don't see how it is relevant for the works of those creators. Is a civil engineering book written in German, translated to English, published in EPUB format by some publishing house in the UK (say, Palgrave Macmillan), distributed online by U.S. corporation Amazon and bought by me from my home in the Netherlands, "Liechtensteinian" just because the author, who might be living in Zürich since her teens when she began studying at ETH Zurich, has Liechtensteinian nationality due to being born in Schaan? I really don't see the point in categorising the book as such. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:17, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I won't attempt to answer a rhetorical question, but note that Category:Works by American writers has more than 700 subcategories. If we would add works categories from all nationalities it would become thousands of subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. While it doesn't really help anyone find anything. If you're looking for books by an American writer, why not just Category:Writers by nationality > Category:American writers > Category:Foo Bar > Category:Works by Foo Bar. What else but works would our readers expect American writers to write? Writing submarines? Writing chocolate factories? It's a boatload (pun intended) of redundancy. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That will not work because the third layer Category:Foo Bar does not exist for many writers. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think the two chains need to be connected. Category:Works by Foo Bar would be under Category:Works by creator. Which is my point, there's no need to intersect "works by creator" with "creators by nationality". So I'm saying that we uproot the triple intersection of "works by creator by nationality". - jc37 07:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, but then we are still stuck with the fact that the Works by creator will contain thousands of subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Strong oppose to the later suggestion of deleting these categories. The nationality of a work's author is treated as defining in many contexts; for instance, consider the WP articles on
    WP:DEFINING. Here are some examples: the To Kill a Mockingbird article begins, "To Kill a Mockingbird is a novel by the American author Harper Lee"; Ulysses begins, "Ulysses is a modernist novel by Irish writer James Joyce"; The Three-Body Problem begins, "The Three-Body Problem ... is a science fiction novel written by the Chinese writer Liu Cixin"; Revolver begins, "Revolver is the seventh studio album by the English rock band the Beatles"; Mona Lisa begins, "Mona Lisa ... is a half-length portrait painting by Italian artist Leonardo da Vinci"; Carmen begins, "Carmen ... is an opera in four acts by the French composer Georges Bizet". There are literally thousands of articles that begin like this, defining the work in the first sentence as the product of an author of a given nationality. The work-by-artist-nationality categories thus reflect standard Wikipedia practice for articles about creative works. There is also another practical consideration here, which is that the artist nationality categories allow works by artists without their own categories (or even their own articles) to be easily sorted, without having to make dedicated "works by [name of artist]" micro-categories for all of them. Either of these reasons would be enough to keep the categories on their own; together, they reflect both established Wikipedia practice and serve a useful navigational function, making them essential for articles about creative works. Phediuk (talk) 16:26, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Empty tomb

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Category:Bluey (2018 TV series) song redirects

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:09, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme for redirects for songs from specific television series. I'm not sure the redirects need to be categorized or even need to exist at all, but for the discussion I'm suggesting an upmerge to its parents. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indo-European archaeological sites

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Category:Indian hospitality

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: unique "by nationality" (i.e. Fooian hospitality) category. Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1-2 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 14:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:History of the Pakistan Super League

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary overcategorisation. Only one article specifically applies to the history: History of the Pakistan Super League, that article should also be upmerged into Category:History of Pakistani cricket too. The others are related to the PSL but not to the history specifically, so should just be upmerged into Category:Pakistan Super League. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Patreon creators

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Patreon is a platform used by nearly current every content creator, thus making this a non-defining characteristic. User:Namiba 13:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Vietnamese posthumous empresses

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. I was able to populate its only child Category:Nguyễn dynasty posthumous empresses‎ though. I checked zh:Category:阮朝追封皇后 with a lot of autotranslate and checking linked enwiki articles. Not all of the latter could confirm the women in question had been posthumously granted the title of "empress", so I didn't simply copy whatever zhwiki (or viwiki) said. I can't find posthumous empresses from other Vietnamese dynasties with enwiki entries for now. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Maybe that subcategory should be merged too, as a very narrow intersection, but that is not what this nomination is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Đinh dynasty empresses

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT: Dương Vân Nga was the only Đinh dynasty empress ever. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Timurid empresses

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Category:Ratchet & Clank characters

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT - only one current entry. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Former empires in Europe

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Category:Symbols of Canada

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Users agree that there is a need for some other countries, such as Mexico, to have a similar holding category for both national and sub-national symbols.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: unique country category. Estopedist1 (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ethnography of Canada

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Indo-European archaeological artifacts

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:53, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: merge, trivial intersection between language family and archaeological findings. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Armorials of the Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1-2 entries. Estopedist1 (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

mention me) 06:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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So the category tree claims to be about galleries of coats of arms, not books of coats of arms. Where does it say that "gallery" is part of what an armorial is?
WP:CONCISE, but this is giving a Wikipedia-invented meaning, namely "Wikimedia list of coats of arms", to a term that has no such commonly recognised meaning. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Fictional zebras

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Works about zebras, which seems to satisfy almost everyone and no explicit arguments against it were made. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: because if there's Category:Camels in art, why can't zebras have that as their category name? ChameleonGamer 13:54, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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mention me) 06:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Reservoirs and dams in India

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Category:Assassinated heads of government

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Head of government and head of state have no uniform interpretation or usage across the world regarding their top officials. Articles often have both categories. In some countries for example, the president is head of state and government (President of the United States), while in others, the president is head of state but not head of government (President of Israel). In the page List of current heads of state and government this situation is well illustrated.
In addition, in monarchy systems of government, the monarch could be head of state but not of government as is currently the case in most monarchies, but historically, monarchs could be head of state and government. Also, relevant subcategories could be more accurately placed in the parent category. For example, Category:Murdered monarchs, some of which have the issues mentioned above. One drawback I can think of is that some editors might be looking specifically for heads of state, for instance, and not heads of government. Thinker78 (talk) 04:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, they are very different offices in many countries. The comment about monarchs is not relevant because monarchs have their own category tree anyway. This is mainly about the distinction between presidents and prime ministers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Some presidents are only heads of state, others are heads of state and government. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Marcocapelle. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Very different offices. Dimadick (talk) 19:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The phrase "heads of state and government" is also used very much by reliable sources.[1] Thinker78 (talk) 00:53, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Western Connecticut Wolves

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: The intercollegiate athletics teams of Western Connecticut State University are now known as the Wolves. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22heads+of+state+and+government%22&btnG= Heads of state and government search. Google Scholar.
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