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Category:2000s assassinated politicians by continent

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to aid navigation Mason (talk) 22:25, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I follow either. The two categories you suggested for dual merging are the current targets. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, just ignore me this time! The 2000s category currently also belongs in Category:Assassinated politicians by continent, but that's not essential, as its contents will still be contained there via the continent subcats. – Fayenatic London 08:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Killings of politicians

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Category:Executed slave traders

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The result of the discussion was: merge as per Marcocapelle.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Not defining intersection. perhaps purge/rename if the intent is to only include people convicted and executed for slave trading/owning (Category:Executed people by crime )Mason (talk) 21:44, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Slave traders killed in the American Civil War

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The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this intersection of owning slaves and being killed in a war is defining Mason (talk) 21:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Androgens and anabolic steroids

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: The current name is confusing because it suggests that androgens and anabolic steroids (more correctly "anabolic–androgenic steroids") are different molecules, which is not the case. It makes some sense to have separate articles for endogenous (androgen) vs exogenous (anabolic steroid) administration, but the same compound is going to be identical and have identical effect regardless of where it comes from. All endogenously produced androgens are anabolic steroids. The most commonly used exogenous steroid is testosterone, which is also endogenously produced. (t · c) buidhe 20:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tentative support. I think that everything @Buidhe has written here sounds reasonable. I just don't have any content knowledge to lean upon (and I suspect that others might feel similarly). Mason (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Van Nuys

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People and person templates by country

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: This tree currently uses a mixture of country and nationality. All the people and person templates should use nationality. There are many more inconsistent subcats which can be renamed speedily if these are agreed. – Fayenatic London 07:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Categorization of singles by record label by decade

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Category:Lists of museums in insular areas of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:NARROWCAT. The lone article is List of museums in Ponce, Puerto Rico. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose. The insular areas of the US are not "IN the United States" (as the new merge-to category suggests ["Lists of museums IN the United States by populated place]"); instead, they are in the insular areas "OF the United States". Only the 50 states and DC are "IN " the United States. The territories are, instead, possessions of the United States and not part of the United States. As such, placing the contents of the current merge-from category into the merge-to category of the herein request wouldn't be a factual reflection of reality as it would be inconsistent with the relationship between the territories and the United States as defined by the US Congress and the Supreme Court of the United States, as well as numerous other organizations and authorities.
The fact there's a single article in the merge-from category is insignificant here because the predominant factor here is the failure of the proposed merge-to category to properly represent factual reality to begin with. There's good information about this
HERE. Mercy11 (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Support, because "in" is for indicating location. Mason (talk) 21:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Mason. If the category name is inaccurate, it can be renamed. In any case, there should only be one category – whatever its name. HouseBlastertalk 13:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Charter preparatory schools in the United States by state or territory

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The last two categories have been deleted (from another discussion) and as such will not be merged.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. Only one sub-category each. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:34, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The territories of the US are not "IN the United States" (as the new merge-to category suggests); instead, they are in the insular areas "OF the United States". Only the 50 states and DC are "IN " the United States. The territories are, instead, possessions of the United States and not part of the United States. As such, the merge-to categories resulting from the herein request wouldn't be a factual reflection of reality as it would be inconsistent with the relationship between the territories and the United States as defined by the US Congress and the Supreme Court of the United States, as well as numerous other organizations and authorities. In fact, even the merge-from category is wrongly named as it presumes the territories are IN the United States (per the current category's own name), which is also incorrect. There's good information about this
    HERE. Mercy11 (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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In this explanation, I will pick one of the 5 merger proposals above, but corresponding explanations would apply to the other 4 merge proposals.
Say there was a notable Catholic preparatory school (merge proposal #4 above) located in Ponce, Puerto Rico, named Colegio Ponceño which, because of its notability, has an article in WP.
Since such school is said to be located in Puerto Rico, which is a territory of the US, under the existing pre-nomination categorization scheme such school could, theoretically, be categorized under Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state or territory.
Now, if the merger nomination was to go thru, it would result in that school (and similar schools) to come to be categorized under the proposed Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States, giving the (factually wrongful) impression that the school is located IN the United States. Since Puerto Rico is not IN the United States then, to correct the anomaly, either Colegio Ponceño (and, of course, potentially all the others, if any other "territorial" schools were already categorized under the current Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state or territory) would need to be removed from such subcat or, if left in it, the contents of the subcat would consist of article(s) that did not belong under such subcat. Mercy11 (talk) 21:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per nom. "in" is for indicating location, whereas "of" is vague. Mason (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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1920s Soviet and Russian military aircraft‎

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The result of the discussion was: merge and rename per nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/rename per actual content, these are all Soviet aircraft. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I can’t think of any scenario where a “Russian and Soviet”/“Soviet and Russian” category should be retained.  —Michael Z. 17:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

":See my response to your above comment. Basically, don't worry about the templating, just get on with it. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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1990s Soviet and Russian military aircraft‎

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The result of the discussion was: split and rename per nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: split/rename per precedent to either Russian or Soviet, this is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I can’t think of any scenario where a “Russian and Soviet”/“Soviet and Russian” category should be retained.  —Michael Z. 17:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: actually it's a little bit more complicated than that. These aircraft categories are populated by a complex net of templates, such as {{
    airnd}}. These templates consider that the Soviet and Russian aircraft industry is one and the same industry, something that can be argued. It's the same for the Czech/Czechoslovak, the Yugoslav/Serbian, the Autrian/Austro-Hungarian and I believe the Ottoman/Turkish aircraft industries (the last 2 for aircraft built before and during WWI). As a consequence IIRC, decades categories for aircraft built in... can use just "Russian" or "Soviet", but timeless parent categories, as well as decades where both names are required use "Soviet and Russian", "Czech and Czechoslovak" etc. If you want to change that without breaking things, especially the categorization and navigation template, I strongly suggest to raise it to WT:WikiProject Aircraft and ask for advice. Template rewriting will be necessary to reorganize categories. Otherwise, you end up, as with this edit, with redundant navigation templates and parent categories set at a location that you want to delete. Place Clichy (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • I will notify the WikiProject. This means that after closure of the discussion it should be added to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Working/Manual. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Setting aside the usefulness or otherwise of these category templates, at least some distinguish between the various eras and political entities, for example by the 1990s automatically listing Russian rather than "Soviet and Russian". So the issue really only applies to templating the pre-breakup era. Here, I'd be firmly in favour of changing "Soviet and Russian" to plain "Soviet". Otherwise, we will hit other transition groups such as Antonov being Soviet at the start of the decade and Ukrainian at the end. Cue endless "Soviet and Ukrainian", "Soviet and Yugoslavian", "Soviet and Romanian", etc. in the auto-generated lists. It doesn't bear thinking about. It is not beyond the wit of man (the species) to review the templating system here, it is very evidently a work in hand in any case, and I notice other existing hiccups with them here and there in the treatment of the Soviet vs Russian issue. So, as an active member of said WikiProject, I'd suggest you just get on with it and leave the template meisters to catch up as and when they please. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Pre-split are already just Soviet. Except the 1910s which are also Russian. The issue is not with the templating. It is that the WikiProject considers that the Soviet and Russian industries are one and the same, and hence the parent time-independent categories are, and should be, at e.g. Soviet and Russian military aircraft. @Steelpillow: "So, as an active member of said WikiProject, I'd suggest you just get on with it..." Sorry, I just did not get that. Who is a member of which WikiProject, and who will do what as a consequence? Place Clichy (talk) 02:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Korean people of Manchukuo

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Korean expatriates in Manchukuo. bibliomaniac15 04:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think the scope of this category is a bit unclear. It encompasses both expats and people born in Manchukuo, but expats are probably much greater in number given that Manchukuo didn't last too long. Not 100% sure but I think a solution is using the
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Category:People from the State of Palestine

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: In the case of other countries, we typically do not have a similar category. For individuals with ancestors of Palestinian Arab descent, we already maintain a category called Category:People of Palestinian descent. Additionally, for Palestinians from the diaspora in general, we have a category named Category:Palestinian diaspora. Thus propose upmerge into Category:Palestinian people. Kpratter (talk) 09:49, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Mild oppose as this is just not an improvement, especially due to the plural and complex meaning of the word Palestinian. (Until 1948, and even maybe after that, those who would become the Israeli Jews called themselves Palestinian too: their newspaper was
    The Palestine Post and they competed in the World Cup with the Palestine football team.) It is at first glance a good idea to have a dedicated category for content directly linked to the modern-day State of Palestine. However I would not merge or rename the present tree at Category:Palestinian people, because State of Palestine is too time-specific. Place Clichy (talk) 02:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • @Place Clichy: I am not entirely sure if you understood the logic of the nomination. The point is that we now three categories while we only need two, namely for people from the State of Palestine (time-specific indeed, and location-specific) and for Palestinians anywhere any time (as a parent). I am also open to variant merge proposals that reach that goal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:20th-century sportspeople by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: There's been a clear consensus that by-century categorizes of sportspeople are not appropriate beyond the 19th-century. per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_12#20th/21st-century_sportspeople2018_January_12#20th/21st-century_sportspeople, and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_7#The_last_sportspeople_by_century and I think we should salt this category, as I know that I inadvertently created it, not realizing the history. Mason (talk) 15:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I created the American sportspeople by century categories, as the 20th/21st century American people categories were overwhelmed by the number of sportspeople biographies. Because both those categories ask that pages be moved to subcategories when possible, I thought it made sense to make those subcategories to make those larger categories more manageable. Furthermore, I'm not sure I understand why sportspeople by century categories are seen as inappropriate, while writers/artists/actors/etc by century are not. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I created several categories based on the same reasoning, as the home category became overwhelming. But it seems that the heart of the argument is that it isn't helpful to distinguish between 21st-century and 20th-century. @Hugo999 had a good suggestion of bundling by event and year Mason (talk) 20:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
2018 Hugo999 suggestion

Comment. Concur provided some categories are not dumped into the overall "20th-century people" (or 21st century) category; I recall that the "20th-century people" category was swamped with entries for competitors at individual games; eg the 19XX Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan American Games, Francophone Games etc etc (in which case I would prefer that the sportspeople by century categories were retained for these categories by event!). Otherwise I would propose that there be an overall category for each event, eg by renaming Category:20th-century Commonwealth Games competitors by year to Category:Commonwealth Games competitors by year. Similarly upmerge Category:20th-century Olympic competitors by year and Category:21st-century Olympic competitors by year (with no category for the 1896 Athens Olympics!) to Category:Olympic competitors by year Hugo999 (talk) 8:03 pm, 30 January 2018, Tuesday (5 years, 8 months, 8 days ago) (UTC−5)

  • Selectively merge, I expect most articles are already in some other subcategories of the targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, pending discussion of a better way. I'm not opposed in principle to the notion that these categories aren't helpful — I'd actually almost rather discuss doing away with all ""XX-century people" categories across the board, because they often cause more trouble than they're actually worth (redlinked parent categories autogenerated by templates, editwarring over anachronistic names, people trying to expand this genre of categorization into ethnicities and cities and other points of intersection where it's spectacularly useless, etc.), but not all of the proposed merge targets here are wise choices. Category:20th-century American people, for example, is already significantly overpopulated as it is, with 2,192 articles in it — it needs to have as many articles as possible diffused out of it rather than having several hundred more articles undiffused into it. That category needs to be made at least 90 (and preferably 95) per cent smaller than it is, not 30 to 40 per cent larger — so if a sportspeople subcategory is needed to get several hundred articles out of the overpopulated parent, then a sportspeople subcategory absolutely has to be permitted, because limiting the size of that parent is an absolutely essential and critical need.
    I'd certainly agree that having separate sub-subcategories for sportsmen and sportswomen is overdoing it, but a desire to do away with 20th/21st-century categorization on the sports side cannot override the urgency of reducing the category size on the 20th/21st-century Nationality side. The latter is a more important consideration than the former, not vice versa. Bearcat (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with the problem (overcrowding of the categories) but I would solve it in a different direction, namely deleting all 20th- and 21st-century people categories. Century categories are only useful for outright history, not for the more recent past, since the large amount of Wikipedia content is about the recent past. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Further comment: Include Category:21st-century Israeli sportswomen in discussion.Hugo999 (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support in principle, but suggest merging to just Category:Albanian sportspeople etc. and not Category:20th-century Albanian people. I agree with the nominator that 20th and 21st century categories are not useful for sportspeople, and I also agree with Bearcat that the parent century/nationality people categories are too overcrowded to be useful either. We have other, better ways (such as DOBs, championships etc.) to place these people on the time scale. Place Clichy (talk) 03:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: why do you want to merge "Category:20th-century X sportsmen" to "Category:20th-century X people]]", and not "Category:20th-century X men]]"? And also if centuries categories are useless for sportspeople why merge it to another centuries categories? How is that resolving the issue? Marcelus (talk) 08:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcelus I didn't suggest men to merge because my understanding is that Fooian men categories are typically not defining. Mason (talk) 23:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Keep these categories as 20th-century Fooian women sportspeople is a subcategory of 20th-century Fooian women and the sportswoman will probably not otherwise be in that category. We are not discussing whether all these people by century should be abolished! (Usually the argument is that some categories have too few in them rather than too many!) Hugo999 (talk) 22:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Male silent film actors from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Male film actors from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge as this intersection (regime, gender, medium of performance, and occupation) seems like a lot, especially since combined only one of the actors acted in a single "russian empire film" Mason (talk) 15:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Film score composers from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: neither of the category members were film composures while the russian empire was in existence. Mason (talk) 15:13, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:20th-century painters from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: overlapping category, norm is for 20th century to be called russian Mason (talk) 14:38, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russian Empire commanders of the Napoleonic Wars

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Category:Kavi Kag

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:15, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: two page in category. one is an award named in honor of the writer Kavi Kag Mason (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military personnel of the Napoleonic Wars from the Russian Empire

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Category:Quranic translation

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 13:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The scope of this category says "Articles relating to Quran translations". The scope of Category:Quran translations is the same. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1992–93 in Yugoslav football

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The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 04:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's a single article here that uses just "Yugoslavia" and it's the story of how they got banned by FIFA from an event because of the sanctions. --Joy (talk) 10:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the meantime that discussion was closed with no consensus, and there the option to move to was S&M, not FRY. Since we didn't even get a verdict on whether to use FRY, it's rather immaterial. --Joy (talk) 09:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1992–93 in Yugoslav basketball

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a subcategory of Category:Seasons in Yugoslav basketball, but the breakup of Yugoslavia was not a trivial event for Yugoslav basketball. All these post-92 seasons are talking about Serbia and Montenegro instead, so it makes more sense to move this to actually say so. Trying to factor in "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" into this seems pointless. --Joy (talk) 10:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2001 establishments in Yugoslavia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The country where this was happening wasn't
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Joy (talk) 09:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:21st century in Yugoslavia

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The result of the discussion was: delete all four in the updated nomination.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 13:51, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Sadly we couldn't make progress at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 12#Serbia and Montenegro. This category name makes no sense, because for most readers the concept of Yugoslavia is unrelated to the 21st century. This category hasn't got the sibling category Category:20th century in Yugoslavia because that was deleted saying so. Keeping this is nonsensical. --Joy (talk) 09:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Same should apply to Category:Years of the 21st century in Yugoslavia --Joy (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Follow-up note: see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_8#Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia

Category:Indo-European art

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The result of the discussion was: delete both
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection between art and language family. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom Mason (talk) 12:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Executed female serial killers

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The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:OCEGRS, the execution of female serial killers is not a notable topic in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 12:44, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom
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Category:Prussian people by province

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: rename, align with parent Category:People from the Kingdom of Prussia and distinguish more clearly from Category:People from Prussia proper. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support for clarity. My only hesitation is that I don't want to see a proliferation of kingdom of prussian occupation categories... as some folks might view this rename as a broader endorsement the prussian kingdom categories (like occupations) is defining in all cases Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ducal Prussian people

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, the header states that it is for nobility, but the category only contains dukes and duchesses who are also in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 12:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Grand dukes from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, two categories with the same scope. Based on the list article, "Grand dukes of Russia" is the more common name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 12:45, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Untitled nobility

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Category:Fictional slave traders

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category, and for this article having slaves is more defining than trading in slaves. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose AHI-3000 (talk) 01:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional Scottish people by ethnic or national origin

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The result of the discussion was: delete both.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: delete as empty, there aren't any Scottish people of fooian origin in this category. There is a fooian people of Scottish origin subcategory, but that is the opposite of what the category advertises. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete as empty, there aren't any Welsh people of fooian origin in this category. There is a fooian people of Welsh origin subcategory, but that is the opposite of what the category advertises. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Sportspeople from the Saar Protectorate

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 13:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Note that the merge target Category:Saar sportspeople has been nominated for renaming to Category:Sportspeople from the Saar Protectorate. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom Mason (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Saar culture

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:06, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom Mason (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sultanate of Deli

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Category:Elite Radio Group

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Category:PricewaterhouseCoopers people

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: C2D. Neureinsev (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:PricewaterhouseCoopers

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The result of the discussion was: rename to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: C2D. Neureinsev (talk) 05:18, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional secret agents and spies

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: "Fictional secret agents and spies" is unnecessarily long. Changing all these categories to just "Fictional spies" would also make them consistent with Category:Spies. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:28, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters with obesity

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Category:Air Force personnel of the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse merge (or merge) per nom. I am wondering if we shouldn't rename all "Imperial Russian" categories to "of the Russian Empire" as the latter is more recognizable. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. I'm not sure how to feel about the Imperial Russian vs russian empire. My sense is that all the russian empire categories were renamed from Imperial Russian FOO to FOO from/of the Russian empire, a while back. Mason (talk) 12:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:World War I pilots from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: duplicate category Mason (talk) 02:39, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Graphic artists from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 12:38, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping with Category:Graphic designers from the Russian Empire Mason (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT rights in the Soviet Union by republic

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Clyde [trout needed] 02:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Only one page and that page is a redirect Mason (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Panna State

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Clyde [trout needed] 02:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Only one person in the small category, makes it hard to navigate.Mason (talk) 02:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Sultanate of Deli

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The result of the discussion was: alt rename.
(non-admin closure) Clyde [trout needed] 02:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Only one person in this small category, makes it hard to navigate. Mason (talk) 02:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mozambican diaspora in Asia

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) Clyde [trout needed] 02:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge, as there's only one page in this category Mason (talk) 01:53, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Saar people

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The result of the discussion was: alt rename.
(non-admin closure) Clyde [trout needed] 02:25, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: I think this category should either be merged into People from Saarland; or if kept, should be renamed People from the Saar Protectorate. It was a disputed protectorate for about 10 years (1947 to 1957), before rejoining West German Mason (talk) 00:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support this alt proposalMason (talk) 12:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt renaming. Note that there was also a Territory of the Saar Basin that was independent (as a League of Nations mandate) from 1920 to 1935. I'm not sure what they did in terms of international sports, though. Also, the post-1957 German state is always called Saarland, not Saar, but that's not obvious enough to disambiguate. Place Clichy (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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