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Category:Religious extremism by country

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. I suggest a follow-up speedy renaming of the target to
    WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 00:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

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Category:Religious police

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". – Fayenatic London 10:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Does not match the main article, Russian invasion of Ukraine and is populated solely by politicians. AusLondonder (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't it be merged instead of deleted then? Mason (talk) 01:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per
    WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov. NLeeuw (talk) 00:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

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Category:Universities Canada

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping with Category:Universities in Canada. User:Namiba 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader. AusLondonder (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mashriqi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: partial merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: per
talk) 19:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
If not kept, I think we should merge, not delete. Mason (talk) 21:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Musta'arabi Jews

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into
talk) 19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
FYI: Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth is no longer a reason to delete a category. Mason (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Category:18th-century American slave owners

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:18th-century American slave owners


Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims 1941-49

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s) Mason (talk) 03:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative? NLeeuw (talk) 20:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply to User:Namiba: as Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims exists and has not been nominated for merger, that is the right target for now. Of course you may nominate Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims for merger as well but that would be a different sort of discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have nominated it above.--User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore. NLeeuw (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zerotalk 04:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or Kaliningrad post-1945? 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 08:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further comments on the final merge target, specifically on whether these churches belong in the "France" category, would be appreciated!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 14:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to multiple targets including France, and the new Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa. The nominator has added 2 articles in the nominated category to 2 articles in the Reunion parent to make 4, but they are the same 2 articles, so no breakdown of Reunion churches is justified. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Re the Africa category, I have added a parent Category:19th-century churches in Africa and retrieved some contents that had been upmerged per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_23#Category:Anglican_cathedrals_by_country. @CanonNi: please expand the hierarchy around these still-isolated categories to other continents and centuries. – Fayenatic London 11:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Sorry but I created the categories from
      category requests. Try contacting the requester. Thanks. CanonNi (talk) 11:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • @Fayenatic london: Cool. Would you think it's easier to navigate and clearer to understand from the audience' point of view to have for these buildings in Réunion a subcategory under both the French and the African categories, than a four-way upmerge? 83.229.61.201 (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks for following this – I assume you're the same editor as the requester 59.152.195.28 (talk · contribs). I used to support thin hierarchies with very specific intersections, but in the last few years there have been many precedents at CFD with consensus to merge such cases. So no, I don't recommend creating categories with only one or two members, except where we can reasonably expect that more eligible articles will be created fairly soon. – Fayenatic London 13:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • No I'm not. Given the number of articles in French on Wikipedia about churches in Réunion a lot more articles can reasonably be expected. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 09:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            That's not a criteria for keeping a category. Mason (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Languages used in Doordarshan

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 13:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Estonian numismatists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Estonian numismatists

Category:Burial sites of the House of Yurievichi

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The result of the discussion was: merge (
Queen of ♡ | speak 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now. NLeeuw (talk) 11:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Uterus transplant recipients

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The result of the discussion was: merge (
Queen of ♡ | speak 06:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Anti-feminism

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The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed, then rename to
Queen of ♡ | speak 06:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history) Mason (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse merge to Category:Anti-feminism. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment
    Anti-feminism
    without discussion. I think that undiscussed linkchange should be reverted. (Edit:  Done).
Given that, I think we should regard 'antifeminism' and 'opposition to feminism' as synonyms, and a subset of the broader phenomenon of 'criticism of feminism', which is currently (correctly) a parent of
WP:C2D, and merge the other category into it. Pragmatically speaking, I agree with nom that we should preserve the edit history as much as possible, and pick the oldest category as the one to rename, and merge the younger 2 into it. Category:Opposition to feminism was created on 3 November 2019‎, and Category:Anti-feminism on 20 January 2024‎. Therefore, Category:Opposition to feminism
should be the merge target.
Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to
WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?). NLeeuw (talk) 12:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:Pin-up models

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The result of the discussion was: delete (
Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user. Mason (talk) 02:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading, Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type. Mason (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not merge, as
    WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Many film stars were pinups but not adult models, e.g. Deanna Durbin for a wholesome case in point. – Fayenatic London 12:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

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Category:20th-century Australian women activists

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The result of the discussion was: merge (
Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century Mason (talk) 01:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players

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The result of the discussion was: merge (
Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes) Mason (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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