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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 03:35, 11 January 2007.

Folding@home

You may be looking for a different page: see discussion of sorting old archive errors here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See the previous nomination archive

Wikipedia:What_is_a_featured_article. Pursuant the FAC failure, I have gone through the article & expanded it. Self Nomination. --Foundby 06:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  • I'm pretty sure that encyclopedias shouldn't refer to the reader w/ "you"; for example, The name and project number of a particular WU does not tell you the specifics about that WU. -> The name and project number of a particular WU does not tell the user the specifics about that WU. More importantly, it should
    WP:NOT be giving advice to the reader: If you need to know why you were not awarded any credit you should ask on Folding-Community where a Moderator can lookup your submission with the Project, Run, Clone and Generation numbers of the respective WU. AZ t
  • Object yet again; long, disorganized, underreferenced, still not comprehensive. What this article needed was not a pile of stubby sections on the details of the work unit model, but information on the technical justifications for why the method works. Your enthusiasm for the article is appreciated, but again, it needs to be edited by an expert who is knowledgeable about the theory associated with this project, which is fascinating, and a major contribution to the fields of distributed computing and molecular dynamics. Opabinia regalis 02:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • From the titles of published material which can be downloaded from the site, the answers are amongst them: "Mathematical Foundations of ensemble dynamics.", "Atomistic protein folding simulations on the submillisecond timescale using worldwide distributed computing.", and "How well can simulation predict protein folding kinetics and thermodynamics?" are but some. http://folding.stanford.edu/index.html. Is this what you think must be added to the article? --Foundby 16:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Those would be a start. You absolutely can't get away without this one: Mathematical Foundations of ensemble dynamics. To be honest - and I don't intend to sound rude here - if you have to ask, you're probably not the expert I'm suggesting should write those sections. Opabinia regalis 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yeah you are right I guess you are the expert here? I thought this FAC was going to be without prejudice. I was wrong. --Foundby 06:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, an important Note regarding the previous nomination: should this article become an FA at any point, the spammish behavior of User:Records in trying to get this article featured as a means of drumming up more F@H users is a substantial argument against ever putting this on the main page. I would oppose putting this on the main page, and comments to that effect were made during the previous nomination. Opabinia regalis 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know who's going to claim that formatting is uncivil, but all the bolding and awkward indenting doesn't make this any easier to read. Opabinia regalis 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a stretch to claim that bolding automatically means incivil. In this case, it doesn't appear to be so. --Cyde Weys 15:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Guess this is more of a general statement (see
WP:SNOW object. AZ t 23:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  • Object. Very few inline references, and majority of those that are included are from the creators of the software itself. Please incraese the density of refs, and their quality (proper scholarly independent publications). Few more images would be nice, too.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus  18:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well the lead scientist published over 100 articles in various Scientific Journals. The hard part would be incoporating them in the actual article without making a new section. This is because those Journal articles display the achievement so far, in minute detail, which is not understandable by a novice. --Foundby 18:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • To be fair, Piotrus, this is a scientific research project. Citing Pande's papers isn't like citing a company press release for information on the popularity of the company's software. That said, there are dozens of papers on the method and the results obtained with it; those should be cited in the article, not Pande's forum posts, emails, and website. Opabinia regalis 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object. I thought the lead section was actually quite interesting; it provides a good summary of the Folding@Home project, and shows its origins, goals and results. I was hoping for more detailed information about all of that in the main body of the article. This was not to be, alas. The rest of the article reads more like a readme.txt that comes with the software than a comprehensive view of the F@H project. It focuses almost exclusively on highly technical and detailed aspects of the client software, and hardly spends any time on matters such as the project's origins, the people behind it, the goals, the results, the popular reception or comparisons with other distributed computing programs. Even when viewed as a purely software-oriented article it falls short, as the article tells next to nothing about the server-side of things; questions about where the data comes from, how it is distributed, and how the results are recombined and processed remain unanswered. It might be an idea to rename this article to "Folding@Home software", or something similar, and then create a completely new article about the "non-technical" subjects (in quotes, as protein folding simulation in itself is a highly technical subject matter, obviously). Otherwise, I'd say the current article needs extensive pruning, followed by the development of the other subject matters to make it comprehensive. --Plek 13:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Actually I respectfully disagree with Plek. I think keeping it to one article is a better Shrink, don't split approach. The comparison to readme.txt is very relevant: the article is in dire need of critical distance. I can't stress enough the need to get rid of that apparent citation from an email received by yourself (I suppose) attributed to "Vijay" (as opposed to Professor Pande). Pascal.Tesson 19:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong and speedy object per Plek. I agree that the entire article looks like it was copied from a readme and slightly changed. The entire text is difficult to understand for readers not familiar with the subject and filled with POV. There are also stubby sections and unreferenced facts, as well as plenty of
    Tourette Syndrome. Michaelas10 (Talk) 10:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  • WP:POINT My Wikistress levels are rising, an issue important to me has been handled unfairly in my view. --Foundby 15:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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  • OBJECT Too many stubby sections. Fails 1(a). The lead is decently written, but the rest of the article is not. Reads like a training manual. Fails 3. No images. Fails 1(c). Not nearly enough referencing, does not comply with
    ExplorerCDT 09:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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