Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:British North America Revolution of 1844
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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 03:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Draft:British North America Revolution of 1844
Draft with a very strong whiff of the
WP:BEFORE searches and absolutely no such reportage can be found.
But even the idea that such a thing could have been covered up for so long in the first place is also deeply suspect: Canada already had newspapers like The Globe and The Banner and The Examiner in 1844, and they would absolutely have found out about and reported on events like the ones described here. A "Battle of North York", with seven stolen cannons being fired only a few miles north of Toronto, and you think neither George Brown nor Francis Hincks ever even caught wind of stolen cannons being transported up Yonge Street? A "Battle of Scugog", basically smack dab in Port Perry, yet somehow nobody ever knew about it? I don't think so. (Also, Port Perry already existed, and Yonge Street already went all the way to Barrie, by 1844, so absolutely none of this is "too far out in the wilderness for anybody to have noticed".)
Even more importantly, however, one of the two "sources" cited here is definitely falsified: it's a book that really exists, but was published 113 years earlier than the footnote claims -- and it's a book that's in the public domain and thus fully readable on the Internet Archive and HathiTrust, so I and another editor at WikiProject Canada have both already grepped through it looking for any evidence of this, and both came up dry.
Admittedly I haven't been able to access the other book cited here at all, but given the complete lack of any evidence of this anywhere else, it's profoundly unlikely that it actually claims any of this either — and if it does claim any of this, given the complete lack of evidence of this anywhere else it's lying. Bearcat (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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But even the idea that such a thing could have been covered up for so long in the first place is also deeply suspect: Canada already had newspapers like The Globe and The Banner and The Examiner in 1844, and they would absolutely have found out about and reported on events like the ones described here. A "Battle of North York", with seven stolen cannons being fired only a few miles north of Toronto, and you think neither George Brown nor Francis Hincks ever even caught wind of stolen cannons being transported up Yonge Street? A "Battle of Scugog", basically smack dab in Port Perry, yet somehow nobody ever knew about it? I don't think so. (Also, Port Perry already existed, and Yonge Street already went all the way to Barrie, by 1844, so absolutely none of this is "too far out in the wilderness for anybody to have noticed".)
Even more importantly, however, one of the two "sources" cited here is definitely falsified: it's a book that really exists, but was published 113 years earlier than the footnote claims -- and it's a book that's in the public domain and thus fully readable on the Internet Archive and HathiTrust, so I and another editor at WikiProject Canada have both already grepped through it looking for any evidence of this, and both came up dry.
Admittedly I haven't been able to access the other book cited here at all, but given the complete lack of any evidence of this anywhere else, it's profoundly unlikely that it actually claims any of this either — and if it does claim any of this, given the complete lack of evidence of this anywhere else it's lying. Bearcat (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete hoax per nom, and this could even be "AI"-generated, as the style resembles such content, and the year error in the reference and fake referencing also resembles such content.—Alalch E. 14:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a load of horse hockey. - Whpq (talk) 20:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as probable hoax. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete poorly created draft. Catfurball (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - obvious hoax. Besides the claims already debunked here and at WT:CANADA, North York didn't exist until 1922, and Peterborough wasn't incorporated until 1850 although there was a settlement there beforehand. Also, the British weren't known to "cover up" failed revolutions - the Upper Canada Rebellion was only 7 years earlier and we have a whole category for coverage on that. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete, almost certain hoax. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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