Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 April 1

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File:Wiki-pilipinaskongmahal.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• The description says that this is an official poster. I'm not quite sure whose official poster it is, but the license is dubious. B (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:"Bobo" 2000.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:"Bobo" painting.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:"Fulcrum" from the Horse and Rider Series.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:"Fulcrum, the Horse and Rider Series".jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:16,000 attended Urbana 12 in St. Louis.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:50 Murray Street Residence.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:515 W 57TH STREET.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Aaron Levie Profile.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Ack attack.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Action League Now.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Addison Porter Jones tombstone.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or owner name in OTRS since upload date (matches for user name, not for this image) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Diannaa (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ambrosia (David-Matthew Barnes novel - front cover).jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep - OTRS received The Bushranger _{One ping only} 08:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:An image of myself.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• I don't suppose there is any reason to delete the photo as it really is a true likeness for the subject against whose user page it appears. An e-mail has now been sent to OTRS system, listing the file name and it's owner. The licensing features of the file have also been altered on its description page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelechi Isiodu (talk • contribs) 2013-04-01T15:20:39
  • Keep OTRS received --SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:AN OLD PHOTO OF SIR ERNEST DE SILVA.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Raymond F. Schinazi headshot.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• See
  Stefan2 (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:AnneMackenzie.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Telemundo--.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work and potentially copyrightable.
  Stefan2 (talk) 14:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:Los Herederos-updated.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work. Looks like a logo.
  Stefan2 (talk) 14:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:Los Herederos.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work. Looks like a logo.
  Stefan2 (talk) 14:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:Corazon de oro.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work. Looks like a logo. Not sure if it is copyrightable.
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File:Corazon de Oro.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work. Looks like a logo. Not sure if it is copyrightable.
  Stefan2 (talk) 14:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:Telemundo-.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Dubious own work. Looks like a logo. Not sure if it is copyrightable.
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File:Armorednatobooth.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:26, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Arshiya International Logo.gif (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Arthur Aidala Photo.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Artist Jonn Hart.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• OTRS pending more than 30 days - no relevant match for file name or user name or owner name in OTRS since upload date  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mishapocalypse by Tumblr.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD claim.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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File:Goldcobsset.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD claim.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was: Converted to Fair Use. Dianna (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Jerry Rosenberg 1424049c.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD claim. Freedom of information isn't the same thing as lack of copyright protection.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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This is free per the legal citations at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ANon-free_mugshot&action=historysubmit&diff=154472941&oldid=154292786. --Elvey (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan, I hear you that public record != public domain. True. But did you notify all significant contributors when you tagged this? e.g. Sfan00 IMG? Should you have? Please do. Did you notice the removed FUR, etc? --Elvey (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The usual thing is to only notify the original uploader, which is exactly what I did. Anyway, {{

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Re. my quote -yes. I think we may need to revisit lr-Mugshot because it doesn't support the idea that "mugshot may still be protected by copyright" by citing Times Picayune because that case says approximately nil about copyright. The word 'copyright' does not appear in the court decision. It is at odds with what you say about the template; the court ruling states that you do NOT have the right to obtain a copy of the mugshot from the Gov't, but that if you manage to get it, you CAN publish it. (See commented out excerpts here for precise wording & exceptions.) We have a template that makes valid, and important points about BLP and privacy, but its claims regarding copyright are backed by no citations, and are contrary to the case law (e.g. Feist, etc) and The Constitution's Copyright Clause itself here which I have referred to:

"[W]hen the authors in question are legally obligated to perform their creative effort, the Patents and Copyright Clause does not authorize a copyright. This is exactly the situation that exists for the work product of public officials. As long as they are not acting ultra vires, they are performing public duties when collecting and as- sembling information. Even if some of their selection and arrangement would seem to qualify under the Feist originality test, the creative component of their selection and arrangement does not stem from the economic incentive provided by the copyright law because it is legally mandated and therefore fails to qualify under Feist. Whenever a public duty is the cause of the expression, the incentive justification under the copyrights and patent laws is absent, and any construction of the Copyright Act to protect such official work product would be unconstitutional." - Henry H. Perritt, Jr., JD -- see "SOURCES OF RIGHTS TO ACCESS PUBLIC INFORMATION"

As for the instant mugshot, Jerry is dead, so BLP etc. doesn't apply. --Elvey (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The link is dead and the Waybackmachine is down, so the source can't be checked right now. I'll have to wait until the Waybackmachine comes up again. However,

Stefan2 (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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what? No it doesn't. --Elvey (talk) 03:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Before it was deleted with zero discussion (i.e. just the PROD itself), the template was not deleted after a real discussion with input from at least 8 editors. It seems I forgot about it after the restore to userspace - mine! --Elvey (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it's interesting that Shakespeare Fan / SFan_00 first removed my FUR, and then PRODdedPROposed the Deletion of the license that he'd replaced it with! Quite a, uh, coincidence! --Elvey (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can't use PROD for templates, that's only for articles. The template was deleted following a TFD nomination. --

Stefan2 (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Seriouly, what's your point? No difference in this context! Still rather curious behavior. --Elvey (talk) 03:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan, do you think the real discussion (7 Keeps, with good arguments to 0 Deletes) is truly trumped by the undiscussed PROD? Do you dispute my argument (referencing Feist, quoting Dr. Perritt, etc)? As far as I can tell, the decisions of various Circuit Courts are in conflict.--Elvey (talk) 08:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: I've restored the FUR, so if you decide it's not PD, don't delete it prior to discussion of the adequacy of the FUR.--Elvey (talk) 08:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing: The photo is marked "9 11 57". Does this mean that the photo is from 1957? It says that the man was born in 1937 and it doesn't seem unreasonable that he would be 20 on the photo. Are mugshots classified in New York, or can anyone obtain a copy by going to the police? In the latter case, the photo is published, and then it would need a copyright notice followed by a copyright renewal after 28 years, and in particular the copyright renewal seems unlikely. This may be in the public domain as {{

Yes. I don't know. Any objection to the FUR? --Elvey (talk) 03:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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• Invalid PD claim.
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• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Kerney Letter1 Page1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD reason.
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• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Kerney Letter1 Page3.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD reason.
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• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Kerney Letter2 Page1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD reason.
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• Invalid PD reason.
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• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Kerney Letter3 Page2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Malaysian Proclamation in Jesselton, North Borneo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Invalid PD reason. Probably becomes {{
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • Ya, this photo is from the British Government but I can't use the British license for now, so that means I need to upload it again in the next year to reach 50 years? — 
    ʜᴇʟᴘ! 07:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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    • Claim fair-use for now, and switch to PD-UKGov next year, I'd say. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I said that it probably becomes {{
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• Invalid PD reason.
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File:Morara standard.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• I'm not sure if the licence claim is correct. Compare with
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep as the image consists entirely of unaltered plain text. It's the same as a plain text logo. It's possible the person who originally created it may have trademarked it, but it is not eligible for copyright. ···
  Join WP Japan! 16:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • It's actually an artwork formed by text. --
    Stefan2 (talk) 15:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • So is any text logo. As long as it is comprised only of unaltered text, though, it is not eligible for copyright. ···
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      • Any ASCII art only consists of unaltered text. This doesn't mean that ASCII art automatically is ineligible for copyright. For example,
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File:Michael Heaviside VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is not enough information to verify the claim that the photo indeed is anonymous. Additionally, there is no information about the copyright status in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

I am happy to check all the Victoria Cross photos being queried but being very familiar with VC photos I would be surprised if any if any are not in the public domain. If the wrong attribution has been made in some cases I would be happy to update the records. However, I am completely unfamiliar with the process and would appreciate some advice. Most of the photos were published pre 1944 and many of them, plus most of the post 1943 photos were official photographs issued to the media and have been widely published in many publications ever since. On my bookshelf, I have all the main published works on the VC, many with the photos being queried here. I appreciate that since Wikipedia is hosted from the US there is a need for a United States public domain tag but less than 150 awards have been made since the start of 1943 and most of them are official photographs. If the cut off date for the US is in 1996 then only three awards have been made since that date. Anthony Staunton (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the United Kingdom, photos enter the public domain 70 years after the death of the photographer. In rare cases, the photographer is anonymous, and then photos enter the public domain 70 years after they were taken. The linked website uses the image without telling where it comes from. For example, you can't tell whether it was published more than 70 years ago, and you can't tell whether the photographer was named in that publication or not. If the photographer was named, then you additionally need to show that the photographer died before 1943, which doesn't have to be the case, considering that the subject of the photo didn't die until 1939.

Wikipedia uses USA law which says other things. Under USA law, all British photos taken in 1926 or later are protected by copyright, whereas all photos published before 1923 are in the public domain. Photos taken before 1926 but not published before 1923 are more complex. If the photo is anonymous and first published on that website in modern times, then the copyright expires in the United States 120 years after the photo was taken. --

Stefan2 (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Straw man argument. There is no claim that the photo is anonymous. There's a claim that the author is unknown. Do you have reason to believe that the uploader didn't make a reasonable effort to ascertain the author? --Elvey (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader has on several occasions claimed that files were anonymous while in fact they were not. In any case, the uploader should provide evidence for his claim that the photo is anonymous. A link to a random website which doesn't tell where the image comes from is not sufficient evidence. Besides, Wikipedia uses USA law, not UK law, and USA law states that British photos usually are protected by copyright in the United States unless the photos were published before 1923, and we don't know the original publication date of this photo, let alone the creation date. --

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File:Percival Marling VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is not enough information to verify the claim that the photo indeed is anonymous. Additionally, there is no information about the copyright status in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• For what its worth Marling is only wearing the VC, Egypt Medal, and Khedive's Star on his uniform. That puts the timeline of the image in the 1880's or 1890's. Marling's subsequent service in the Second Anglo-Boer War would have entitled him to the Queen's South Africa Medal. He is also listed by 1922 [1] as a CB, he is not wearing the insignia of said order in this photo. EricSerge (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have a copy of Wilkins' The History of the Victoria Cross published in 1904 that includes this photo. Anthony Staunton (talk) 12:19, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it was published in 1904, then the photo is in the public domain in the United States at least. For determining the copyright status in the United Kingdom, you need to tell whether the photographer was named in the book. --

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File:Eric Pearce 1954.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• This was taken after 1945, so it is protected by copyright in the United States for 95 years since publication.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  According to the supplied Summary the photograph was taken on or before 19 August 1954 and published on that date by Adelaide newspaper, The Advertiser. It was taken by their in-house photographer and is a published newsprint version not the original. As this was taken before 1 January 1955, and certainly published more than 25 years ago, it is classified as being in the public domain in Australia. The source is clearly acknowledged and was trimmed by the uploader from the newsprint version. If it is not public domain in the US, I will attempt to supply a Fair Use template.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  It is only in the public domain in Australia (and most other countries) but not in the United States, due to different copyright rules. --

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  Yeah, I see that now. I've supplied a NFUR, I hope that it is sufficient for US usage.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This image is currently tagged as non-free. If there is a dispute with the rationale, please tag the image with {{
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File:Photo of American artist Lillian Burke taken at Beinn Bhreagh, the Alexander Graham Bell estate in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• This was taken after 1945, so it is protected by copyright in the United States for 95 years since publication.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:48, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • The photo was taken in Canada in 1946. This Canadian work is in the public domain in Canada because its copyright has expired due to the fact it was created before 1949. This information is available on the file page where the photograph appears.

Bwark (talk) 18:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Yes, it is in the public domain in Canada. No one has claimed anything else. The problem is that it isn't in the public domain the United States. --
      Stefan2 (talk) 15:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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What about this?--Elvey (talk) 03:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that

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File:Adam Wakenshaw VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is not enough information to verify the claim that the photo indeed is anonymous. Additionally, there is no information about the copyright status in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Straw man argument. There is no claim that the photo is anonymous. There's a claim that the author is unknown. Do you have reason to believe that the uploader didn't make a reasonable effort to ascertain the author? --Elvey (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Albert Edward Curtis VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is not enough information to verify the claim that the photo indeed is anonymous. Additionally, there is no information about the copyright status in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Straw man argument. There is no claim that the photo is anonymous. There's a claim that the author is unknown. Do you have reason to believe that the uploader didn't make a reasonable effort to ascertain the author? --Elvey (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader should provide sufficient evidence so that it can be verified that the photographer indeed is unknown. A link to a page which doesn't tell where the photo comes from is not sufficient evidence. For example, it might have been published in a book or a newspaper, and the name of the photographer might have been given in that publication. Besides, the uploader has uploaded photos in the past, claiming that the photo is anonymous where the name of the photographer was easy to find. It seems that the uploader doesn't check his uploads carefully enough.

Also: All British photos taken in 1926 or later are protected by copyright in the United States if published before 2003. If not published before 2003, then they are only in the public domain in the United States if the photographer is identified and if the photographer died before 1943. None of this has been verified. There is no evidence that this was taken before 1926 (the man looks older than 13 years old). --

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File:Frank Jefferson VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• It says that this is a photo taken in 1944 which was published before 1943. Something isn't correct. In either case, it is still protected by copyright in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Straw man argument. There is no claim that the photo is anonymous. There's a claim that the author is unknown. Do you have reason to believe that the uploader didn't make a reasonable effort to ascertain the author? --Elvey (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader should provide sufficient evidence so that it can be verified that the photographer indeed is unknown. A link to a page which doesn't tell where the photo comes from is not sufficient evidence. For example, it might have been published in a book or a newspaper, and the name of the photographer might have been given in that publication. Besides, the uploader has uploaded photos in the past, claiming that the photo is anonymous where the name of the photographer was easy to find. It seems that the uploader doesn't check his uploads carefully enough. Besides, it currently uses a template which says that the photo was published more than 70 years ago, but the photo wasn't even taken 70 years ago!

Also: All British photos taken in 1926 or later are protected by copyright in the United States if published before 2003. If not published before 2003, then they are only in the public domain in the United States if the photographer is identified and if the photographer died before 1943. None of this has been verified. --

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File:Alfred Alexander Burt VC.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is not enough information to verify the claim that the photo indeed is anonymous. Additionally, there is no information about the copyright status in the United States.
  Stefan2 (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Straw man argument. There is no claim that the photo is anonymous. There's a claim that the author is unknown. Do you have reason to believe that the uploader didn't make a reasonable effort to ascertain the author? --Elvey (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader should provide sufficient evidence so that it can be verified that the photographer indeed is unknown. A link to a page which doesn't tell where the photo comes from is not sufficient evidence. For example, it might have been published in a book or a newspaper, and the name of the photographer might have been given in that publication. Or it might be an anonymous photo which is unpublished or which was not published until after 1925, in which case it is still protected by copyright in the United States. See

Stefan2 (talk) 22:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Diannaa (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Convert to fair use. Dianna (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Harold Newgass.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• There is no evidence that the photographer is anonymous.

This was taken in 1940 according to the EXIF metadata, so it is still protected by copyright in the United States.

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