December 11

Was Elissa Sursara a Brazilian child star? Sources assert she was "more famous than Jesus" in Brazil in the 1990s. Yet basic Google searches find very little about her career in Brazil - in fact it's indeterminate if she even an actress in Brazil at all. This is a mysterious case! -- GreenC 14:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First, that's a blog, so it's not usable as a source. Second, the article is about an Australian, not a Brazilian. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From the blog: After moving permanently to Australia at the age of 16, Elissa, who’s [sic] father suffered an illness, was “unsure of her future in entertainment” (according to her rep) and contemplated which direction in which to pursue her career. Choosing to study whilst making guest appearances on Brazilian television, Elissa remained in Australia with her ill father and family. At age 18, Elissa chose Australian citizenship after holding Dual Brazilian and Australian citizenship to be near her father and mother. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's not a word about Brazil in the article, and I wouldn't trust that blog one iota. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not just one source.

• Source 2: "..Brazilian beauty Elissa Sursara.. made famous at the age of four as an insanely popular South American child star"

She is also cousin of super-model Adriana Lima who shares a similar background (Brazilian parents moved to Australia). The question is, what was her career in Brazil, if any? (please help with the question not source reliability - once I have more details I can use the info to search for reliable sources in Portuguese) -- GreenC 21:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like

click-bait hyperbole to me; and a reference to Lenin's "[The Beatles] are more famous than Jesus" controversy.. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:831:EE2:9FFB:76D0 (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply

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Lenin? Wasn't he dead long before any of the Beatles were even born? Wymspen (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Lenin, not Vladimir. —Tamfang (talk) 02:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There might be some hyperbole. Does it mean no career in Brazil? She herself says her parents are from Brazil. Other sources say they took her back there at age 4 for modeling, presumably with the help of her successful cousin Adriana Lima (about 6 years older). It would make sense the two girls Brazilian mothers (sisters) would be working in concert with their children. The question is how famous was Elissa in Brazil. -- GreenC 22:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This purports to be her own web page. Is that even the same woman as the one pictured in the other sources? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course that is her. What "other sources" are you referring? As I said, there are one or two blogs that show a wrong picture, but otherwise have correct biographical details (DOB, relations, career etc) in the text portion. -- GreenC 23:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you also check IMDB, you'll find that these various texts about her are suspiciously similar - and that there is very little about Brazil. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Very little but not none as there is one Brazilian soap there with here appearing in 4 episodes. While IMDb is not an RS for a reason, I don't know if there's any particular reason to disbelieve in general terms she did appear in the show. And it wouldn't exactly be surprising if IMDb's coverage of Brazilian TV shows etc from the 1990s or even early 2000s is not that good so she may very well have appeared in other shows. Of course, it is a little harder to believe you'd find so little if she was really "more famous than Jesus", but there's a wide gulf between that and "no career in Brazil". I mean after all she does seem to have had some very minor TV career in the US and Canada including in modelling or fashion related shows (well most of this is coming from IMDb but you can probably verify it elsewhere and I saw at least one other news source predating the Australian stuff which mentioned something she was doing in the US), and it's not hard to believe someone who managed that would have also managed something at least similar in Brazil if they and those around them put in the same effort and had access to similar resources. Nil Einne (talk) 16:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously not the ones who shoot their own stuff, but the ones that do 'video essays' and breakdowns of Hollywood movies. There's a ton of YouTube vids that feature hundreds and hundreds of hand-picked clips from all sorts of movies. Where do they get hold of the footage? My best guess is that they rip it from the DVDs, but maybe I'm missing something. That seems like a massive task, ripping all those DVDs. If so, can anyone recommend a decent bit of DVD-ripping software/hardware?? THnks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.132.166 (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure they rip it. See Fair use. 196.213.35.146 (talk) 06:06, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be the herculean task you think it is. For example, a lot of such videos are breakdowns of trailers or other short subjects that would a) already be distributed in "soft" copy and b) be short enough to easily parse. The actual variety of movies used is also not that great. For example, if you wanted to do a video essay on superhero movies, there are a few dozen movies you'd want to draw from at most and, like with a written essay, you'd probably focus on only a few. And, if you just want a quick shot from a movie, you're likely back to the trailer solution. Matt Deres (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]