Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jet 2

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Jet

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3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: I have never had a conflict with other users. If I have, I would go to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee or Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. The can resolve disputes with users. I may trust them to just stop the conflicts. If conflicts happen to me, I would stay away from it and tell the committee to just stop the conflicts. I never had one and I'm proud to never have a conflict.

Optional questions from CycloneNimrod

4. Over your time here at Wikipedia, what is the most important lesson you've learnt?

• A: My important lesson I learned is not get crazy being an admin.
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5. Can you tell me what procedures you would follow if user Jirgrfdsfg976456 requested that you:

• 5a. Need to block a certain user?

• A: I may do it or not depending on the desire the user wants.
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• 5b. Requested you to protect an article that is linked to the main page?

• A: I would go to the noticeboard and tell the other admins for assistance.
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Optional question from Filll

6. Please answer, in essay form, two of the eight AGF Challenge 2 exercises found here. Directions are here. If you choose to answer this question, please provide a link to the responses here so people can ponder your responses.

[1]--Koji†Dude ^(C) 20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Optional questions from

7. If you see two or three different IPs repeatedly vandalizing the same article, what steps will you take to ensure that it stops?

A: I would go to the checkuser and ask them to check the IPs.

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8. You find an admin account that hasn't been active for many months starting to vandalize. What would you do?

A: I would go to Meta and tell the Stewards to remove admin access to the account.

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• See Jet's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Jet before commenting.

Discussion

• Surely all of these past RfAs cannot possibly belong to this user. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 18:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• It appears that the Jet123 did, as those usernames redirect to his page. JetLover and JetStar888 appears to be someone else. Useight (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It the Jet and Jet123 are my requests.

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I removed the unrelated ones.

inthegarden 19:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply

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• Anyone care to close per
  WP:NOTNOW? Tiptoety ^talk 22:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
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1. Support so I don't pile-on. Seriousley though, you need more experience in the areas you've decided to work in before you get the tools. And like Wisdom said, ArbCom is a last resort in disputes. The best thing to do is just talk it over.--Koji†Dude ^(C) 20:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2. The time has come to make things right naerii - talk 20:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

   Hope you don't mind me asking, but is that the only reason for supporting this RfA?

   inthegarden 20:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply

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   You got the last Muse reference but not this one? Tut. naerii - talk 21:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1. Oppose Sorry to be the first, but you have a low mainspace count, and also a very low talk page count. This is not enough for me to support, because I can't judge a user's ability to communicate with so few edits. Sorry. PeterSymonds (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2. Oppose. You're definitely on the right track, just not quite there yet. Since communication is a very important aspect of being an admin, I'd like to see more of that with other editors (of your last 500 edits to User Talk, at least 300 were via Twinkle or Welcome templates). Looking at your mainspace contribs, you do a good job there and you have nearly 1000 edits there, so that's pretty good. However, you don't have a lot of experience in the Wikipedia namespace, which is comprised of areas with admin-like tasks. I'd like to see some more experience there. If you have any questions, feel free send me a message any time. Useight (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
3. Oppose - I applaud your desire to contend with the endless barrage of vandalism that hits Wikipedia, but for someone willing to work in such an area I need to see contributions to
   WP:AIV, which you are sorely lacking. You're certainly on the right course, as pointed out by Useight. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 19:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
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   Your answers are a little concerning as well. A3 is strange - those are last resort resolutions for conflicts, and A1 expresses interest in areas which you simply have little or no experience in from what I can see. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

4. Oppose. Your reasons for becoming an admin are...strange. But, striking that, your edit count is poor for such a long time here, no activity at XfDs, and answer 3 is discerning. Sorry.
   inthegarden 19:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
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   Oh man, those optional answers weren't very good. I suggest

   inthegarden 22:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply

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5. One feels that this RfA is probably a
   WP:NOTNOW </shameless> candidate. Disarming Q3 and lack of overall consistent contributions I'm afraid. Sorry, and please don't feel that your work is not valued - it is. Pedro :  Chat  20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
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   Hey, this might be the first time someone linked to NOTNOW. A historic moment. Useight (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

   Sorry, I already claimed that milestone : ) Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 21:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

   Aw, man. I missed it. But here it is. Useight (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

6. Oppose. The candidate's first nine sentences all have typos or clumsy English. Obviously that doesn't mean they can't be a useful contributor in articlespace, as long as they know their limitations, but when they are this unsteady with the language, they shouldn't have a mop. This is a bigger issue for me than suggesting Arbcom without a good reason, although that's big too. - Dan
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7. Oppose - Like everyone here, we all think you are on the right track and applaud you for your want to serve wikipedia further and hope that this RfA does not stop you from contributing to this brilliant project. But you are not yet ready to hold the my
   adoption program? Like I said before, I hope to see you back here in 6 months or so. Best of luck :) Tiptoety ^talk 21:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
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8. Strong oppose per, quite frankly, unsuitable answers to my optional questions. Sorry. Regards, CycloneNimrod^Talk? 21:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
9. Oppose, if you know the IPs, a checkuser isn't going to tell you anything more than you know already. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
10. Oppose - sorry, your just not quite there yet, in some months, infact many months you only make a few hand full of edits. Im just not convinced your ready for it im afraid, agree with some of the comments by User:Pedro and Useight. Please apply later though. Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 21:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
11. Oppose Answers to the questions suggest that you might not understand what an admin actually does or where their powers and duties start and end, and on my personal criteria I'm not absolutely sure that you would use the tools correctly, although I have no doubt you would operate in good faith. While dealing with vandalism is definitely important, much of that is done by regular users with no bit. I checked your contribs - you're definitely coming along well - I would agree with everything Tiptoety said above on that front. I would be inclined to support a future RfA if these issues were dealt with.Orderinchaos 22:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
12. Oppose. Sorry, you don't seem ready yet. Maybe next time. Try gaining some more experience and waiting for a trusted user to nominate you. FusionMix 22:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
13. Oppose per everything that everyone else has said... not now, English language limitations, low edit count, poor answers. Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 22:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    I dont mean to be questioning, i opposed myself, however what are the requirements needed of the english language? English isnt my first language and I hope that wouldnt stop me running in the future. Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 23:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    As I said, there's something wrong with each of the first 9 sentences, and that goes too far. I can tell from your userpage that your English is excellent, Realist2. For people whose English is somewhere in-between, I don't know the answer. - Dan

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    Yeah, your English is fine. No need to worry. Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 23:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    There is no problem with someone not being a native speaker. There is a problem when that person, as an admin, cannot convey the specific thing he/she needs to. You, obviously, comprehend and can converse perfectly! This user, sadly, cannot. Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 23:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    OK, cheers, i didnt even consider language as a potential barrier until just then. Thanx for the clear and swift replies. Realist² (Come Speak To Me) 23:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

14. Oppose per the poor answers to my questions (Q 7 and 8). This user doesn't seem to understand the tools and what to do. Sorry, try again in 3-5 months.--
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15. Oppose His answers to the questions were basically "tell someone else" or "it depends". I don't think he has enough mainspace edits to become an admin. Interestingly, one of his userboxes says, "This user sometimes or always feels useless on wikipedia." Not a good thing to feel useless when you're an admin. :) Cheers, Kodster ^{(heLLo) (Me did that)} 23:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • If he feels useless now, becoming an admin will only make things worse. Raymond Arritt (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

1. It's my humble opinion that pile-on opposition is a self-esteem crusher and discourages good-faith contributors into feeling that they aren't trusted - which is why I'm not placing this into the oppose section, but I am in fact neutral due to some fairly good contributions. However, the big deal breakers for me are 1) your answer to Q3, which shows that you may not know or fully understand the the dispute resolution process, and 2) Earlier today, you asked why there is a 3RR policy, which to me speaks a lack of understanding of policy in general - don't worry if you accidentally violate 3rr, it's there for those who prefer to edit war as opposed to discussing changes. Come back in a couple months, with more experience, and I'll be happy to support. Valtoras (talk) 21:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2. Fail --
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The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.