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22 February 2012
Suspected sockpuppets

Similar editing habits, similar user names, user joined right around the time User:Fluttershy was blocked, knows an awful lot about policies for being only 21 days old, seems almost like a duck to me. Requesting CheckUser to check for sleepers and/or to confirm if they are indeed a sock. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 03:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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comment: i see only good edits from this account. why is it that fans of MLP are presumed to be sockpuppets? -badmachine 04:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Look at contributions from fluttershy and then pinkie pie. Almost identical editing patterns and as I said, the user is only 22 days old and knows a whole lot about policies. Frood! Ohai What did I break now? 13:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
check out the archive and you'll see that argument has been used before. similar people with similar interests probably will edit in similar ways. My Little Pony is well known on the internet, and therefore draws people who will likely edit in similar ways. Wikipedia policies are also well known on the internet.. some might even say notoriously so. -badmachine 18:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not Pickbothmanlol, it's more of the stupid GNAA My Little Pony trolling crap. Night Ranger (talk) 01:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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From the given technical data, it's ostensibly  Unlikely. Pinkie Pie edits a very long way away from PBML. However there is still something odd going on that I would request another CU to take a look at. WilliamH (talk) 03:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree they are unlikely to be PBML. However, Pinkie Pie (talk · contribs) and Wagner (talk · contribs) are  Confirmed matches to each other. TNXMan 14:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm, Pinkie Pie had rollback, I guess I'll remove that. Tiptoety talk 19:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
17 March 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


Edit habits are similar, Archimaredes has the same userboxes as user:Pinkie Pie (sock of wagner) had. Wagner lol is obvious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.40.220.107 (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I've requested Checkuser for this case. I believe the case to be credible:

I feel that it's unlikely for a "new user" to be watching Pinkie_Pie's userpage like a hawk and mimic the changes. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In my defence, I am good friends with the person who owns the banned account Wagner, and I talk to him over multiple platforms on the Internet, including XFire, Steam, and Facebook, regularly. He introduced me to the editing/anti-vandalism process on Wikipedia not too long after he started his own account(s) (including his sock puppets). Wagner is a person who does things "for lulz", as he would put it; in this case, it included actually mimicking my account's actions in some ways, just so I would be accused of being a sock puppet of his. I don't know his real motivations, but again, he would say his motivation is "lulz". Also, the user boxes incident occurred because I saw Wagner's user boxes just after I created my account, and I had no idea how to use them; so I copied his over and modified them. There is no crime in that.

talk) 13:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Additional information: I talk to Wagner on XFire almost constantly, and the only reason I logged in today was to post this evidence in my defence, after Wagner actually told me on XFire that I had been accused of being his sock puppet. (I honestly don't understand his true motivations.) Anyway, I'm just including this because the fact that I immediately posted evidence after being inactive for ages may have seemed suspicious (which would not help my case...)

talk) 13:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Ugh. Wagner just told me over XFire that he actually filed this accusation himself, not logged in, under a "random proxy". Please do not be surprised at his stupidity, I deal with it a lot.

talk) 13:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Okay, Wagner also just confirmed that the IP address

talk) 14:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Alright. Sorry, although it's fortunate that I alerted you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Based on technical evidence:

Amalthea 13:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • information Administrator note IP blocked 3 months. T. Canens (talk) 03:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
25 July 2012
Suspected sockpuppets

The Request for Unblock on his talk page makes me feel a little uneasy:

My account sure was compromised. I got back online to find myself indefinitely blocked, and upon viewing the 'My contributions' page, I was mildly surprised (to say the least) to see the edits there. Firstly, I notice that a lot of vandalism took place on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wagner, somewhere I had been involved before; as the archive shows, I know the guy who had the User:Wagner account well. I will now controversially admit that I am fully aware that User:Ciaran_Sinclair (the other user involved in this apparent vandalism on the User:Wagner page) is the same person as User:Wagner, and I have evidence to prove it. If I am unblocked, this can be followed up elsewhere. I hope this leads somewhere profitable for all, gentlemen. Archimaredes (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

81M (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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no Declined: All previous socks are  Stale. Elockid (Talk) 21:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User admitted that they are Wagner (talk · contribs). Blocked and tagged. Tiptoety talk 23:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
27 July 2012
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Yunshui 雲‍水 13:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  •  Confirmed Group 2:
  •  Possible the following are related, Group 3, all editing via the same webhost, webhost now blocked:

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(ʞlɐʇ) 17:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Adding - Niudla sent an unblock request using the email foobyzeeky@..... I would think this confirms Niudla and Foobyzeeky are the same person.Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

12 November 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


Blazeblades filed

WP:CLEANSTART account. Given his potential relation to the other two users, I am requesting checkuser to investigate these three accounts. Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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At first the IP blanked that redirect, so I reverted the blanking thinking it was vandalism, he later nominated it for speedy deletion so I asked the IP to take the redirect to RfD in an edit summary, which he later did, because the speedy deletion he nominated it for only applies to articles. I don't see how this links me in any way to this troll. Mason Doering (talk) 22:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that the IP initially blanked it, but it was Blazeblades (talk · contribs) who reverted the edit, not your account. The IP then replaced it with {{delete|No context, no content, no indication of importance}}, which you correctly reverted and mentioned taking the redirect to RFD. I am not questioning your policy knowledge; I merely believe that you may be related to the troll, which is why I requested checkuser evidence when investigating this case. Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, lying will get me nowhere. I speak to Blazeblades/Wagner on Steam. He told me about the creation of the redirect. The IP is actually somebody that he dislikes called 'Blexzer', who wanted the redirect gone because it was attacking him. Blazeblades/Wagner told me that the IP had blanked it, so I told him to just revert it and nobody will notice anything. He then told me that the IP had nominated it for speedy deletion and he wanted my help to keep it there, I removed the speedy deletion nomination and told the IP to go to RfD, which I didn't actually expect the IP editor to do. Mason Doering (talk) 22:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't expect srbstbsrb to come up here. He's my brother. He wanted to make an article about his school. Mason Doering (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention. Reaper Eternal (talk) 22:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wognir is  Inconclusive, mobile IP.
  • Blazeblades appears to be Red X Unrelated to Mason Doering.
  • Mason Doering is  Confirmed with
    (ʞlɐʇ) 23:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  •  Clerk note: I'm blocking Blazeblades and Wognir as socks of Wagner given behavioral evidence. I'm leaving Mason/Srbstbsrb since I can't see any abuse of multiple accounts with those two. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing.
     — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
27 November 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


we're all the same fag -- Mason Doering talk 22:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Let me start off by saying that although I have come across this Wagner malarkey on here before, the only way I am connected to it is that Mason Doering, a user I have trusted here in the past, just vandalised my user page twice with the words "(I'm Wagner.)" I don't know what he's playing at. This doesn't even seem to be a serious. He's telling me that I am effectively him. I honestly don't understand. This isn't like anything Mason would do. I hope this is resolved swiftly. --EM64T (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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talk) 22:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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29 November 2012
Suspected sockpuppets

Self claimed sock of Wagner. See here. TorinCBT (talk) 02:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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13 January 2013
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This may seem weird, but this is not to accuse WikiVoid of being a sockpuppet. It's the opposite. I'll explain. I know User:Wagner and User:WikiVoid outside of Wikipedia quite well. User:Wagner is a self-proclaimed troll who, as you very well know, messes around on Wikipedia a lot. In one of the many SPI cases revolving around him, he randomly added User:WikiVoid as a suspected sockpuppet, for the purpose of lulz only, and as a result, User:WikiVoid was permanently blocked. I want this particular case reconsidered on behalf of User:WikiVoid, who was extremely pissed off, to be frank, about the whole thing. Nobody listened to his unblock requests either. User:WikiVoid also knows User:Wagner outside of Wikipedia, as we are a group of friends. I know evidence differentiating between 'close friends' and 'same person' online is very tenuous, but I implore you to stick with me here. I would like a more thorough investigation to take place on behalf of User:WikiVoid. This is purely selfless. I'm also putting my own account on the line here, as I have seen in the past misidentifications of this nature, where simply someone doing something for someone else is seen as sockpuppetry. Thanks for your cooperation. I would like to stress that I am a serious and well-intentioned Wikipedia editor, and I believe that User:WikiVoid is, too. I do not support User:Wagner's malicious intentions. SharptoothX (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @890  ·  20:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  •  Clerk note: Please don't close this yet; I'm looking into something. Rschen7754 08:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: I have indefblocked SharptoothX as a sock of Wagner. I've spent several minutes reviewing behavior, and I've come to this conclusion. I will not be posting specifics onwiki, as it's clear that Wagner can read SPIs, but will be happy to clarify to other admins/clerks offwiki. --Rschen7754 09:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
14 January 2013
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Check his contributions, and his user page, etc. The name comes from the unblock request on User:SharptoothX's Sockpuppet. And yes, this is User:SharptoothX talking. Even if I am wrongly blocked, I can still get rid of Wagner's socks. 86.172.86.192 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Confirmed, no unblocked sleepers, IP hardblocked for a while. — Coren (talk) 17:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: I've blocked the blatant sock. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
28 March 2013
Suspected sockpuppets

These accounts seem to be linked together somehow, an anonymous editor suggested they might be Wagner on

tc 00:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply
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18 April 2013
Suspected sockpuppets

Ducks blocked per [9] and [10], requesting sleeper check as this is obviously a LTA. Rschen7754 01:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk endorsed - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention Rschen7754 01:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Named accounts are a  Confirmed match, but I didn't see any obvious LTA master. Webhost blocked. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Darn. Closing then. Rschen7754 01:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
18 April 2013
Suspected sockpuppets

Wagner (see his SPI archive) often vandalises with the File:Myst face.jpg image, as well as harasses Ironholds often. AndyMarkis admitted here, bottom two are already proven to be AndyMarkis. Nano Shinonome (talk) 13:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Seeing as Wagner is the main sockpuppeteer here, shouldn't this be on his casepage instead? Torin O. Nice (talk) 13:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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 Clerk note: Couldn't hurt to include Nano Shinonome themselves in this investigation - any user whose first ever edit is to open a Wagner-related SPI rings alarm bells with me... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Yes Man! if you want to know, according to Wikipedia a Wagner sock. Block me along with these if you like, I don't need this account. Nano Shinonome (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. Blocked and tagged. Thanks, I guess... Yunshui 雲‍水 14:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • CheckUser requested - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention - per above Rschen7754 22:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everyone is, unsurprisingly perhaps,  Confirmed as Wagner. Everything I can find is already blocked. T. Canens (talk) 01:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
18 May 2013
Suspected sockpuppets


Duck, requesting sleeper check. Rschen7754 21:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CheckUser requested - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention Rschen7754 21:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Likely:
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(ʞlɐʇ) 22:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply
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18 June 2013
Suspected sockpuppets


Wagner's got a habit of self-reporting his own socks (using other socks to do so) - beats me as to why anyone would bother, but this is pretty suggestive. SMF 2.0.4 is obvious enough that I'm comfortable blocking without any further evidence, but I don't see any other blatant Wagnerisms in Walter Mouton's edits, though, so I'm requesting a CU - a sleeper check wouldn't hurt, anyway. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC) Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Several Wagner socks bagged and tagged. CU not especially helpful with Walter Mouton, although the account clearly belongs to someone older than their age on Wikipedia. WilliamH (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked at one of the blocked socks after finding it elsewhere, and then saw this case, so I'll note that I found and blocked a few more older socks. As far as Mouton goes, I agree with WilliamH about the CU results. They and another blocked account are editing from the wrong continent, but whether they're a copycat troll, proxy editing for Wagner, or something else, they are certainly
    WP:NOTHERE. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:48, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Tagged, closing. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 19:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
20 July 2013
Suspected sockpuppets


Checkuser request. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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12 August 2013
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User admitted to being Wagner and also disclosed these four sockpuppets.

talk) 11:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply
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15 August 2013
Suspected sockpuppets


No real disturbance here, but I'm not familiar with the case, so I just want to bring it to everyone's attention. The first IP signed an AfD !vote as Wagner and then the second removed Sinebot's addition from a different but similar IP. Both geolocate to London (the general area that Wagner's used IPs from before); one site claims both are static, I don't really understand IT stuff but looks like the same to me. Ansh666 00:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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23 August 2013
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Edits on sock [11] and quotes another sock on their user page [12]. I am One of Many (talk) 22:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CheckUser requested - Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention - for sleeper check. Rschen7754 23:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: A checkuser looked at this, and all socks have been blocked. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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