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August 1st

NOTE: discussion on the "Xcountry stubs" vs "Xcountry-related stubs" issue was moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. As a result, several of these categories may re-appear on sfd in some form or another in the near future. Grutness...wha? 05:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Africa stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names to standardize Category:Stubs by region. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 20:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep - the name of this category is correct - the name of the newly created one is wrong. See note further down the page at Caribbean stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Nominating such a large number of items in one go is not particularly useful as it makes proper discussion of the matter difficult and ... messy. Note the current status of the August 1 section. --TheParanoidOne 05:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: I followed directions to nominate them individually, which does simplify dealing with a problem with an individual nomination. (SEWilco 16:49, 2 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:European Union stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names to standardize Category:Stubs by region. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 19:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep - the name of this category is correct - the name of the newly created one is wrong. See note further down the page at Caribbean stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Faroese stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names to standardize Category:Stubs by region. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 19:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

  • The name of this category is correct - the name of the newly created one is wrong. See note further down the page at Caribbean stubs. Change both this and the other to Category Faroe Islands stubs Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kerala stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names to standardize Category:Stubs by region. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 19:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep - the name of this category is correct - the name of the newly created one is wrong. See note further down the page at Caribbean stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lebanon stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names to standardize Category:Stubs by region. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 19:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep - the name of this category is correct - the name of the newly created one is wrong. See note further down the page at Caribbean stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bangladesh stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Bangladesh-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs below. Grutness...wha? 01:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bulgaria stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Bulgaria-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs below. Grutness...wha? 01:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caribbean stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Caribbean-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. "Caribbean" is already an adjective. Was the proposal to move all country and region-level stub categories to the X-related stubs form really discussed? An alternative standardisation would be to move them the other way to a natural adjective for the place. Even if the consensus is to *-related stubs (which I don't know if it is), this one should be to Category:Caribbean Island-related stubs. --ScottDavis 05:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No, it wasn't. It was suggested at WP:WSS/C, there was some debate relating to a connected but not identical topic, but no direct support or otherwise on the planned renaming. I was waiting for it to be moved here before it was done, since it would involve deletion of categories if it proceeded, but User:SEWilco decided to change the categories over without further debate here. Almost all stub categories other than those listed have the form "Category Noun stubs". Grutness...wha? 06:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. As mentioned above, proposal was made at WP:WSS/C#Country_category_standardization. The "X-related" pattern is here being used for the Caribbean region and not individual islands, thus includes the area between islands. There was no objection, and there was no "further debate" here because no deletion was needed until after renaming. If you're not going to discuss in WP:WSS/C then why bother with WP:WSS/C? (SEWilco 14:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
Because that page is for the proposal of new stub types, not the renaming of existing ones. The debate should have been here because the proposal was for the renaming of categories, which would have inevitably led to the deletion of previous names if accepted - in the same way that discussions of renaming of standard categories are held at CFD. It says so at the top of this page: the page's aegis includes cases where The stub category or template is misnamed. In this case, make this clear when nominating and propose a new category or template name. It doesn't say anything about making the new categories before coming to this page or moving articles out of the old categories, as you did in all of these cases. And again by analogy with CFD, that practice is strongly discouraged there. In any case, why should these names be in one form when the vast majority of other stub categories use the alternative, and more sensible form? And, since we are constantly being reminded to try to keep stub category names in line with standard category names, why would we want anything other than Category: Caribbean stubs as a child of Category: Caribbean? Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WSS directed people to WSS/C "To propose new stub categories/templates, see"; WSS/C stated "This page is for discussion on new or deleted stubs and their organization." So I there proposed this adjustment to inconsistent stub category organization. Nobody stated that it was the wrong forum, and here is proposed the resulting deletions of now unused categories. The proposal was for consistency with regional stubs which are primarily using the "X-related" format. I'll vote for a proposal to remove the "-related" section of the pattern but the current activity is for consistency within the regional stubs. (SEWilco 17:15, 2 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per his Grutness. I've always hated the irregularly formed X-related category names. The WSS should think about going the other direction and rename any X-related categories to "Category Noun stubs". BlankVerse ∅ 12:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, since there are just w-a-y too many of them, for the admin counting votes, count this as a Keep per Grutness vote on all of the User:SEWilco nominations on this page. BlankVerse ∅ 12:26, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: User:SEWilco has initiated discussion and vote on the standardisation of category names at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Regional_X-related_stubs. Grutness...wha? 10:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cayman Islands stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Cayman Islands-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep-Agree that it is preferable to Cayman Islands-related-stubs. The ladder is too wordy and will be hard to add into articles. --Gpyoung talk 02:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cuba stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Cuba-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Danish stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Convert both this and the new one to "Denmark stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greenlandic stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Convert both this and the new one to "Greenland stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Monaco stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Monaco-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Norwegian stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Convert both this and the new one to "Norway stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PNG-related stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Convert both this and the new one to "Papua New Guinea stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovakia stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Slovakia-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South America stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "South America-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sri Lankan stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Convert both this and the new one to "Sri Lanka stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Syria stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Syria-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Uganda stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Uganda-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Utah stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Utah-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Texas stubs

Obsoleted by move to X-related category names. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Country_category_standardization (SEWilco 04:26, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. Preferable name to "Texas-related stubs" (as per other stub category names) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The region-related references are in "X-related stubs" form; see Category:Stubs by region. (SEWilco 14:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC))[reply]
See note at Caribbean stubs above. Grutness...wha? 01:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Grutness. The previously existing names are better, IMO. DES (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 15th

{{Video game music composer-stub}} / (no category)

Note: moved to {{cvg-musician-stub}}. -- grm_wnr Esc 02:36, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Appallingly oversepcialised and named. used on five articles. Unnecessary. Grutness...wha? 06:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • That lists adds another 15 stubs (altho some of those may in fact be musicians, not composers; not all the articles are clear). My vote still stands, and I agree with Lectonar. --Mairi 23:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I can't decide if this should be deleted or not, but if it is kept I wouldn't mind seeing a stub category for Polyphonic Ringtone Composers being added. Kevin 09:03, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. The term video game musician is less specialized than video game music composer, so the stub template should be changed to read "This article about a video game musician is a stub", and be renamed cvg_musician-stub. It is pointless to be on the side of Lectonar and Mairi in this case. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 01:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • cvg-musician-stub, with both hyphens, would be the more standard form for that. --Mairi 02:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The category is not too specialized but needs to be have more people properly associated with it. Many of them compose exclusively for video games. The suggestion of a video game musician category is not a bad idea to slightly de-specialize the stub, though I'm worried about people improperly associating mainstream artists whose tracks were merely licensed for use in popular sports games (e.g. Madden NFL, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater). Nonetheless, there are too many VG music composers out there to delete the stub. Thanks to Tedius for adding more associations, while I'll also work on more. Liontamer 12:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional keep: #1 rename as per Tedius with Mairi's revision, that should prevent miscategorisation and make the subset wide enough to be worth keeping; #2 Apply *only* to people who make music primarily for video games, not the odd track-submitter, and make this clear on the stub talk page/definition. --zippedmartin 23:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and give it a work-over. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 04:20, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Considering how video games are becoming increasingly significant in culture, and considering how some video game musicians have become celebrities, I'd say it's worth it. ~GMH 19:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep yet rename to {{cvg-musician-stub}} as suggested. Hall Monitor 23:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


{{Japcorp-stub}} / (no category)

Note: moved to {{

japan-corp-stub}}. -- grm_wnr Esc
02:36, 23 September 2005 (UTC) Poorly (and possibly offensively) named, no category. Used in only 4 articles. --Mairi 07:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where I come from it's definitely a derogatory term. I can imagine it could be a heavily used stub, but it needs renaming to {{
Japan-corp-stub}} - but only if we're splitting corp-stub by country (I can't honestly remember)> If we're not, then deleting it would definitely be a reasonable option. If we keep it, it'll definitely need a category. Grutness...wha? 09:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
It looks we're dividing corp-stub by type of corporation ({{
India-corp-stub}} as an exception to that. --Mairi 17:14, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
]
I won't object to {{
US-corp-stub}}: I'm afraid that that would become incredibly overpopulated. Aecis 13:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
]

August 23rd

Cat:Lebanon stubs

Template:leb-stub changed its category to Cat:Lebanon-related stubs. CG 20:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

August 25th

{{Rwanda-geo-stub}}/Cat:Rwanda geography stubs

I don't like nominating geo-stub categories for deletion, partly because I know that every country should be worth its own stub category. But of all the countries for someone to have created a stub type for, Rwanda is one of the least appropriate. Not because it is a small country, but because there are virtually no geography stubs. The last tally of Cat:Central Africa geography stubs showed a total of 11 Rwandan geography stubs in total - and the usual threshold at which countries get their own geo-stub is about 70-80. In fact, every other country in the Central African category has more geo-stubs than Rwanda. It may eventually have enough stubs, but that time is some distance away unless someone goes on a stub-creation binge - especially given that fact that all the subcategories of Cat:Geography of Rwanda between them have only 30 articles. Grutness...wha? 09:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I'm quite happy to let this stay given the general feeling seems to be for keep. Thought it would make sense to "test the waters" with it though. It does beg the question of what the minimum size of a country (in stub terms) would need to be before its deleted (if someone made a Monaco-geo-stub for Monaco's three articles, would that stay?), but Rwanda does at least have scope for expansion. Should I withdraw the nom, or just let it run its course? Grutness...wha? 07:03, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well let it run its course. --TheParanoidOne 09:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Would some sort of African Great Lakes region stub category be a little broader, and more feasible? Alai 03:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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