Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 974

I am currently hoping to update the Martin Anderson (economist) Wikipedia page and have a couple questions about citations:

1. Can I use primary sources from an archive as citation sources/reference (as opposed to “Further readings” or “See also”)? The collection is open to the public and I would only refer to materials that are open to the public.
2. There are also a couple manuscripts in the collection that were never officially published; would it be okay to include information about them in the Wikipedia page? They are not published sources, but the materials are accessible to the public since they can be viewed in an archives reading room (for free). — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeH Writer (talk • contribs) 21:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @

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22:36, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the information @

Orville1974

:. The sources that I am talking about were either created by or for the subject (e.g., policy documents, reports, correspondence, notes, speeches, educational achievements). I was hoping to be able to use that as example for the types of policies that the subject helped to create or as proof as to the professional relationships between the subject and other individuals (e.g., the subject and this individual worked to create this policy, the subject and this individual worked on this book together).

Hello,

original research, which is not accepted in Wikipedia. If you find an independent source that says the subject helped to create a policy or had a relationship with another individual, that's fine. But the only thing you could say that referenced the document is that the subject wrote that document, or wrote certain words in it. You may not offer any kind of interpretation or conclusion either from the words or from the fact that the subject wrote them - and in the absence of an independent source discussing the matter, I doubt that those facts would be encyclopaedic. --ColinFine (talk

) 23:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeH Writer (talk • contribs) 23:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@LeeH Writer: This discussion might benefit from details of who/what/where we are talking about. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I was wondering if I could use material from an archived collection of Martin Anderson's (items he created or that were created by others for him) to provide facts about his life (e.g., education, career, publications). I would only report the facts of the material (e.g., Anderson worked with [person] during [time] in his career, Anderson created various documents pertaining to [policy, idea, work]).

i am trying to create a page for mathew mcintyre who acheived a world record for being the youngest person to ride a motorcycle across america coast to coast at the age of 14 192 i have 3 sources 2 are articles on the internet and the third i have a scan of a magazine arcticle i had tried to make the article on mathew mcintyre before but i did not write it correctly and it was deleted i was wondering if anyone could help me with this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killgood (talk • contribs) 18:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I googled his name but couldn't find anything, I don't think he is notable enough; it seems that achieving that record was his only accomplishment. You can follow
  this link however if you think you can write a good-enough article about him. Cheers! NightBag10 (talk
  ) 19:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

MM had a nice cross-country ride with his father and grandfather, but I doubt that makes him notable by Wikipedia criteria. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:BLP1E. John from Idegon (talk

) 02:10, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

thank you for your input he did have a nice country and was the youngest person to do so 14 years and 192 days on two wheels as far as we are aware we have more sources and documented publications that noted this i understand you may not see it as notable but i have the sources and i'm asking what would be the best way to present the information if anyone is interested in helping me make the best article i can whether it gets deleted or not i would also think that a three generation ride across the entirety of america coast to coast would be pretty notable on its own mathew mcintyre has also had his pottery art featured in two notable art galleries if that helps his notability at all any help and criticism is appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killgood (talk • contribs) 18:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Good morning, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelbvieh https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Gelbvieh.jpg/220px-Gelbvieh.jpg is the image address. This image is a terrible example for a cow and should not be published as it is not representative of the breed.

Can this image please be removed?

Sarah Canadian Gelbvieh Association, CEO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.77.252 (talk) 14:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Sarah. That image is in Wikimedia Commons, which is a separate project from Wikipedia, and really you should ask at

donating copyright materials, assuming they are willing. --ColinFine (talk

) 17:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi IP 70.77.77.252/Sarah. As ColinFine points out, you can upload a better image to Commons if you want and then add that to the article. Just take a look at

consensus for the change you want to make. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 02:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I am keen to upload information on my organization onto Wikipedia - but am unable to establish how that is done - please help me. Someone. Anyone. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nomathemba2019 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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alternative forum

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If you truly feel that your organization meets the notability criteria and merits an article(not every organization merits an article, even within the same field) you may visit

Requested Articles to request that someone else write about it. 331dot (talk

) 09:32, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, after reverting an edit on Song Joong-ki for having no citations, I realized that the edit was true, so I tried to add the content back with citations. However, when I clicked "publish changes," an error message kept popping up, so after trying again a couple of times, I decided to wait for a couple of minutes. Then, when I looked at the page history, I saw an edit under an IP editor with the exact edit that I was trying to make, word for word. I'm confused? William2001^(talk) 01:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay, clearly, there is something wrong with Wikipedia right now. When I tried to ask this question, I again got an error message. When I tried again, it told me that I have an edit conflict, so I clicked the resolve conflict button. Then, the website suddenly loaded and now there are two copies of this question? William2001^(talk) 01:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

By the way, this is the edit: [2]. This is exactly what I tried to type, including the source. I'm just worried because although it is not a big deal in my case, a technical problem like this can wrongly accuse someone of vandalism. William2001^(talk) 01:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I understand that there could be a problem with my computer, instead of the website. However, all other sites seemed to load correctly; only Wikipedia was extremely slow to load with many error messages. William2001^(talk) 01:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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01:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Orville1974: Thanks for letting me know, but I'm not sure if my case is a coincidence. My edit was a sentence long, and the probability of a coincidence decreases significantly as an edit becomes longer. It seems very unlikely for someone to write the same whole sentence and the same manual citation at the same time by chance. I'll keep an eye on it to see if this happens ever again. Let's hope that this is an isolated incident, which I'm sure it is (otherwise, Wikipedia would be in chaos by now). William2001^(talk

) 02:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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02:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Orville1974: That's a good idea, but unfortunately, that is not my IP address. Even if it was, I guess it would still be an interesting (to say the least) problem where a user spontaneously logs-out then logs-in automatically. I have contacted the IP user. Thanks for the advice. William2001^(talk

) 02:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

May be a consequence of how edit conflicts are now handled. If the IP editor was presented with the choice of 2 edits, he may have chosen yours. And there was indeed a short period this morning when the Wikipedia server wasn't responding until it woke up again. David Biddulph (talk) 09:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

This is (DashGraham (talk) 14:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)). I got a warning for inserting links that were considered spam. I am new to editing and don't want to be blacklisted. Is it possible to have the warning removed? I am committed to the integrity of Wikipedia and feel embarrassed about my mistake.

@DashGraham: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are permitted to remove content from your own user talk page, though it is stored in the edit history. Removing it is considered an acknowledgement that you read it. As long as you change your behavior, you should not have any mistakes held against you, even if you didn't remove warnings. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@DashGraham: There is a couple of exceptions to removing user talk page posts, such as unblock request reviews while blocked, but in general you can control what appears on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@331dot: - Thank you! I am so grateful for your help. I have another questions for you. How do I figure out which literary journals are held in high regard by administrators of Wikipedia? (DashGraham (talk) 15:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC))

@

reliable sources noticeboard

for such questions.

Just as a note, pings only work if you sign the same post in which you make the ping(I see you added the ping later, that does not work). 331dot (talk) 15:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC) @331dot: did this ping work? I'm not sure how to sign into the same post. Thank you! DashGraham (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources may be of help. We try to avoid Predatory publishing. Context is imprtant, WP doesn't consider any source reliable for everything, but some are "generally reliable." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herro_Mustafa&curid=22120412&diff=903734416&oldid=902423763) I have caught an IP removing all mentions of Kurdistan from the lead section.

What is Wikipedia's policy on the Kurdistan issue? I know that it has been a very controversial topic in recent years, so I'd like to pursue the least dramatic and radical approach to dealing with this. (I. e. I'm hesitant to straight-up revert the edit, because others might think that I favor a particular political opinion.) So what should I do? TitanSymphony (talk) 16:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Update: another user reverted the IP edit. Did he or she do the right thing? I'd still like an answer, though, just in case I encounter another situation like this. TitanSymphony (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Kurdish people article and deleted additional information. Note that it says Kurdistan region (geographical/cultural) and not Kurdistan. KREOH (talk

) 18:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Shaurya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shauryaaaa (talk • contribs) 04:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

As the message on your talk page states, it was deleted under

user:creffett Meters (talk

) 04:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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) 19:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Of course. Sorry. Meters (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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WP:U5. I can't see the deleted page because I'm not an administrator, but this usually happens when the content is not deemed suitable for Wikipedia for some reason (e.g. too promotional). The best thing to do would be to ask Fastily about this at User talk:Fastily. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:30, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen the article, but if there's not enough sourcing for a standalone article, you might consider adding your info to the Jindal Group article, where Jindal Stainless is already mentioned. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 04:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)