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I have PROD them, unless someone would like to improve or suggest otherwise. They are all from User:Sjb007, who has been blocked again for substituting {{nrl2009ladder}}. The Windlertalk 12:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised you think it's ok for clubs to have articles for their records but you want the Kangaroos' speedily deleted for being trivia. The finals records can definitely go. The Super League records should definitely stay. I'm also mystified as to why you'd want them speedly deleted. (Oops, I thought that was a list of
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) 12:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand Sjb007, he/she seems persistence in making the ladder fully substituted, he/she does do some constructive edits. I think the first, second and last of my list, could be quite well if they were substantial and not a complete mess/not very well done. The third, fourth, fifth should all be merged into the 2nd no matter what. It's not speedily delete, its proposed, and I have left it open for other users, to judge my opinions (which aren't always correct). And unfortunately I put the pointless trivia on all of them, The Windlertalk 13:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The Finals don't need any records, and even if there was notability for them, they could easily be incorporated as a new heading (such as "3. Finals records") in
So you deleted the Kangaroos records anyway? Why discuss it here then?--
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Must admint, I did read this section and then promptly forgot to go and check the articles/lists out and retrieve anything interesting. You could ask the deleting editor (User:SchuminWeb) to give you a copy of the contents of the article. florrie 13:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Or just merging into the Kangaroos article. Really, cutting and pasting content requires very little (if any) more effort than deleting it. I thought we were here to improve things.--
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Karmichael Hunt on the main page
Just to let the project know, Karmichael Hunt will be on the main page on 27 May, which will make it the second rugby league article to appear on the main page and the second article I have written on the main page. The Windlertalk 11:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys, Me and Jeff have got into a dispute over at the 2008 Rugby League World Cup page over the inclusion of a infobox and I'd like some other opinions on the matter. Cheers Mattlore (talk) 10:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Season pages
Just noticed that alot of the season pages such as
National Rugby League season 2002 etc had some minor incorrect info for the Warriors (regarding captain, coach etc) - don't really know enough about other teams at the time to pick up any mistakes that may be in there for other teams so you might want to look over the summaries for any clubs you are particularly familar with. Mattlore (talk
) 11:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, most of the info I put there is from what I could scrounge up from existing wikipedia articles. So definitely, if anyone can help fill in the blanks that'd be great. If you do make any corrections though, just keep in mind that the info there will most likely mirror info somewhere else on wikipedia and if you could check the individual or club in question's article and correct the info there as well.--
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) 11:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Harvey Norman SoO logo
this year's SoO article notwithstanding we've used it many times before. Do I risk its wrath and just load it up again ? Any other suggestions ?-Sticks66
11:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it exactly the same logo again this year? I think as long as we put in another fair use rationale we'll be ok. As it is now there's only one there for 2008.--
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) 11:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
(stupid edit conflicts) Quite technically, you need a fair use rational for every use in an article. So simply use the one for the 08 season, and put it for the 09 season, and therefore it is claimed under fair use. There is no limit on the number of uses an image has, but for fair use, it needs to be justified for every single article it is used on. It won't hurt you! The Windlertalk 11:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
1990 Great Britain Test sides x 3
There are three
this article. I'm sure more player names can be linked than I know of. Could one of our northern colleagues take a look and link -Sticks66
13:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
PS I'll get back to do the Test match reports. Sticks66
This idiot is back editing again (also as 124.187.130.26 (talk·contribs)). Not content with the ethnicity bits, he is now changing mentions of "football" to "rugby" within rugby league articles. If folk could keep an eye out for his vandalism, it'd be appreciated. florrie 02:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
This nationality debate is really starting to irk me, because it is such a grey area. He seems to have placed categories for national descent on the individual player's article on the Falou account, and then updated the club's squad list with the wrong flag on the IP. As far as I'm concerned, any claims to descent from a certain nationality should be properly sourced, else it should be removed completely. This also applies to categories, such as
this player (is there any proof whatsoever this player is from America?). Do I have permission to remove such categories/flags where unreferenced? (Indeed, shouldn't all national flags be removed anyway?) GW(talk)
11:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently Leaeno was born in American Samoa but I can't find a reference for it. I've removed it from his infobox for the moment until/if a source can be found. National flags should be removed from infoboxes but they can be used in player lists. They are supposed to represent the country the player has nominated they wish to represent or have represented, not necessarily their heritage or country of birth. I remove any categories which seem dodgy and aren't referenced. florrie 13:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
templates
do we really need all the info in the Rugby League in Australia template that is in the Rugby League in New South Wales one because there are pages like this one where both templates are used
hybrid sports page, but it would be interesting to have some material on league-union games. I think these are probably more common than people realise, and took place during the wars in military set ups etc. --MacRusgail (talk
Thanks for the info. Is this worth a separate article or not? I suspect such games are more common than people realise, the only problem being that many of them would have been informal, maybe people on ships from RL areas visiting Pacific islands where RU is more common. I don't believe that there were no games between '43 and the 1990s, frankly. I've also heard stories of Borders rugby sides playing against people from Yorkshire and Lancashire, and I've no doubt some games were perhaps played in WWI.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
European competitions names
There are 4 articles about European competitions: 2 named with the RLEF acronym at the beginning,
Euro Bowl (rugby league)
.
What do you think about naming the 4 competitions in the same way ? "RLEF ..." or "... (rugby league)"
--Puigsacalm (talk) 19:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The RLEF website is conflicted. rlef.eu.com's rotating main image shows three competition logos. The logos have the titles:
and in all three places it's just "Euro Med Challenge" (WP article: RLEF Euro Med Challenge)
I think the Cup, Shield and Bowl should have "Rugby League European cup/shield/bowl" because that is what is used in the logos. The logos have no mention of RLEF. RLEF is also not a very widely know acronym.
For the Euro Med: Until I see some promotional material, I would probably leave it as it is. LunarLander // talk // 02:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good to me.--
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Me too. I'd say use the most commonly used phrase but to be perfectly frank hardly anyone even knows about these tournaments anyway. GW(talk) 10:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I think that could be a good idea to rename the 4 competitions with "Rugby Leage" at the beginning: Rugby League European Cup, Rugby League European Shield, Rugby League European Bowl and Rugby League Euro Med Challenge Cup. My vote is for this way. --Puigsacalm (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good on the first three, but the Euro Med Challenge is just a 'Challenge', not a 'Challenge Cup'. LunarLander // talk // 22:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I added wrongly the word "cup" at the end. My proposal for the 4th competition is "Rugby League Euro Med Challenge" --Puigsacalm (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone offer some help? I don't know anything about notability requirements for rugby teams. I declined the speedy deletion on this userpage, but I had to block the username per
Like a bull in a china shop. I still prefer the collapsible one though. If I find a way of converting our current {{rugbyleaguebox}} into one that collapses, I'll release it as a new template and use that instead. Sorry to bother, GW(talk) 22:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I am planning to create an AFL section to our infobox in similar vain to the Union section unless anyone has objections. I am sure most of you will know the reason why I plan to make it, it won't affect any of the rest of the template. The Windlertalk 11:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I for one would be hoping it gets used in just that one case. By the way, how do you feel about him now Joel ? -Sticks66 12:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, personally the only thing I have against him is that he is leaving the Broncos. Other than that I don't really care. But I also like that he is staying in Australia, as it will be easy to keep referencing sources for the AFL section. If he had left of Japan or France, I doubt there would be to many sources I could use to describe what is going on over there. I was worried that if he went over to Japan/France for a few years, it wouldn't be updated correctly and soon lose it's FA status, which is my primary concern. Karmichael isn't my favourite player, it's just I wanted to make a featured article, and there are plenty of sources post 2004 (when he made his debut) and he had enough popularity to do so. I also hope it is only this one case, The Windlertalk 05:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I've begun a discussion about how we might represent the pre-1895 and pre-1907/8 records of rugby league players on the template's talk page if anyone fancies adding their thoughts. LunarLander // talk // 22:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Craig Field
I've uploaded a photo of Craig Field (as well as a video but unsure if it works) but the article needs a clean-up and a update. Bidgee (talk) 13:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
John/Johnny Rhodes
Is
Template:Australia squad - 1968 World Cup champions)? If so, which is the right name? DH85868993 (talk
) 12:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
There is only one Johnny Rhodes listed in Whiticker and Hudson, born in 1947 and playing for Canterbury, NSW, Qld and Australia. The "see also" on the disambiguation page listed
John Rhodes (rugby league) can probably be removed. florrie
Writing "Despite representing the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland the Ireland national rugby league team use the flag of the Republic to repersent the team" in the articles is justified.
The four provinces flag should be replaced with the tricolour in articles.
I have started a topic on the talk pages of these articles but the IP has gone straight for the undo button so I'd appreciate it if the RL project could come to a collective decision on this.
Here is a picture gallery from the RLI website showing an Irish playing kit with the 4 provinces flag on the shirt. The IP has provided no picture of a shirt with the tricolour on it.
This is a quote from a post on the RLI website's message board from "RLI Admin": we have only ever used the 4P´s flag on the right breast. To date we have not used the any other flag and any information other than that is entirely false. This is a post on a message board but it is on the official website.
Both my supporting links come from the RLI website, neither of the IP's links (RLEF and RLWC08) do. LunarLander // talk // 19:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Having engaged in an edit war myself against an equally uncooperative user, I can safely tell you that you are unfortunately in the wrong, even though your attempts are aimed at defusing the argument. My understanding, not only from your source but also as someone who has studied the history of Ireland is that the Flag of Ireland represents the Republic of Ireland, as well as all of its sportsmen who compete representing the Republic alone – it does not represent those who compete at a super-national level, such as the RLI or the
Flag of the European Union, because the organisation is not part of the Union or its Council. Nor should anything to do with the Super League, for that matter. GW(talk)
20:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
In my mind the four provinces flag on the jersey is pretty conclusive.--
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) 21:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Not sure if it relevant but there is an archived discussion here at
WP:RU on the use of the 4 province flag and copyright/fair use. Not sure of the outcome, but it may be of interest as far as usage of the image goes. florrie
23:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
That WP:RU conversation resulted in them using no flag for Ireland RU btw. I think with RL we are in a different boat because the 4prov flag is on the jersey and so we can justifiably use that and not run into the problems RU did about "inventing" a flag. But thats just my 2c Mattlore (talk) 00:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Representative footy
Just a quick note. I hope nobody of the project is putting "present" in the Representative section of the infobox. This was discussed once before but I don't remember the outcome of it. I'm firmly of the belief that as players are not contracted to representative sides and their selection is subject to form, injury, etc. the years in the infobox should only be updated each time they play a match with the year they played in. This will save us from doing what I just did: changing
Discussion on changes to the 2009 ladder is here if anyone would like to contribute. florrie 05:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I've bowed out of this one and leave it to the speculators to sort out who has or has not qualified. florrie 06:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
club season articles in firing line
I've noticed this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salford City Reds 2007 - so be aware if you contribute to these club season articles that they've been noticed and will probably be dealt with if they aren't very good. The Salford 2007 article consisted of a league table and then some empty sections. The 2009 articles for seem better although I personally doubt whether there is enough content (and enough contributors from the UK currently) to do them justice.
For content, perhaps other teams run by the club could be included. UK examples: foundation, the academies, reserves. Aus/NZ have the Toyota Cup teams etc. Maybe other people have thoughts on these articles, maybe we can come up with an ideas list of things to include in them. LunarLander // talk // 01:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
