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I suggest merging the coldwave article into this one since they are directly related to each other and NOAA lists them as one event [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/events/US/1980-2021 here]. It would make sense to have a single article covering the entire event rather than splitting it into two. A retitling would also be required here if it is merged. We may also need to merge [[February 15–20, 2021 North American winter storm]] as well since it directly followed the February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm and largely compounded its effects. I'm thinking it may be a better idea to discuss this by area rather than by storm. The aftermaths are overlapping significantly and the cold temps of the coldwave were still in play during the second storm as well. If we are going to get this event to GA or FA, I think we need to cover it by country/state instead of having three articles split by storm and the coldwave. AON and NOAA list this as one whole event. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 04:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I suggest merging the coldwave article into this one since they are directly related to each other and NOAA lists them as one event [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/events/US/1980-2021 here]. It would make sense to have a single article covering the entire event rather than splitting it into two. A retitling would also be required here if it is merged. We may also need to merge [[February 15–20, 2021 North American winter storm]] as well since it directly followed the February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm and largely compounded its effects. I'm thinking it may be a better idea to discuss this by area rather than by storm. The aftermaths are overlapping significantly and the cold temps of the coldwave were still in play during the second storm as well. If we are going to get this event to GA or FA, I think we need to cover it by country/state instead of having three articles split by storm and the coldwave. AON and NOAA list this as one whole event. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 04:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
:I would also propose a renaming to "February 2021 North American winter storms and cold wave" to reflect that. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 04:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
:I would also propose a renaming to "February 2021 North American winter storms and cold wave" to reflect that. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 04:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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:::Ah, that makes sense. In that case, I am changing my slight oppose !vote to a '''strong support''' !vote. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
:::Ah, that makes sense. In that case, I am changing my slight oppose !vote to a '''strong support''' !vote. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
*While it should be merged, not all the impacts were in Texas. So for instance, the tornado outbreak should be seperated [[Special:Contributions/69.118.232.58|69.118.232.58]] ([[User talk:69.118.232.58|talk]]) 20:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
*While it should be merged, not all the impacts were in Texas. So for instance, the tornado outbreak should be seperated [[Special:Contributions/69.118.232.58|69.118.232.58]] ([[User talk:69.118.232.58|talk]]) 20:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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Commons Category

Will this winter storm get a commons category, since I may get some pictures of this storm. My city currently has a 75% chance of snow at the moment, so I will likely get pictures of the snow to upload to Wikimedia Commons.DachshundLover82 (talk) 16:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can upload the pictures first, or create a commons category and then upload the pictures. If there are pictures, I can create a category on Commons. It will probably be under something like "Mid-February 2021 North American winter storm" or "Mid-February 2021 North American blizzard". LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is too focused on Dallas area. Texas was undergoing a state-wide crisis. Some paragraphs are not particularly relevant to the broader Texas electricity crisis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.201.228.202 (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is the same storm as the pacific northwest winter storm

This is the same storm as the February 11-14 storm complex that impacted the Pacific Northwest and the articles should be merged. An example of this is that they're both named Uri by The Weather Channel, clearly indicating they are related. Wikicanada1127 (talk) 17:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are not the same systems, the 11th-14th system was Tabitha which just moved off the coast last night. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 18:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the weather channel article about Uri it says "it's the same system that produced 11.1 inches in Seattle". Wikicanada1127 (talk) 22:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also Tabitha was the storm that brought ice to the Mid-Atlantic. Wikicanada1127 (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikicanada1127: The two systems were very close to one another and affected the Pacific Northwest just days apart, but they are NOT the same. However, MarioProtIV, I think (a) we need to combine the articles because it is really hard to keep track of the different impacts from each or (b) better expound upon both of them because it is a little confusing.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The large snowstorm that affected the PMW was Uri the one that brought the ice storm to the Mid Atlantic. How about we create and article named "Mid February North American winter storms" or something like that? Wikicanada1127 (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No. We rarely make articles for multiple storms together. In the vast majority of cases, each notable storm gets its own article. The only exception would be if a large group of storms occurred in rapid succession and had overlapping impacts, such as January 2010 North American winter storms or 2017 California floods (though for the later case, there are 3–4 notable storms that still need their own articles). LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 06:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can we all acknowledge the fact that the Weather Channel names storms for publicity purposes? This statement comes from the NWS: "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins." So in other words... yes this could very well be the same storm. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's all a matter of opinion. While I personally support the practice of naming winter storms (in line with what UK Met and FU Berlin have been doing over in Europe), I will not force the issue on WP, and I don't think that we should make a big fuss over this controversy either. We have decided not to use The Weather Channel's names as the title for any of those storms, and since it is an unofficial practice (not endorsed or done by any of the U.S. agencies), there really isn't a right or a wrong way of handling the names. I don't see how further arguing over this issue will lead to anything productive. As long as our articles are accurate and of decent quality, I think we're okay. And the two storms are clearly separate systems. "Tabita" is the disorganized mess that moved off the East Coast of the U.S. on February 14, while "Uri" is the historic storm currently moving out of Texas and across the Eastern U.S. right now. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 February 2021

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This was strongly opposed; should we remove or move it from the top of the lead too? Don't think we need to give TWC's naming such prominence, even if not the title. Reywas92Talk 20:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I'm going to point out that there were some exceedingly bad arguments made here. Yes, there are tons of articles where "unofficial" names are used, and in fact that's exactly what
WP:NOTCENSORED - we don't censor or change our content just because a government agency wants it to be that way. I am unsure if the name is the common name for the storm or not, but these sorts of arguments were not helpful, nor was the early close before anyone could combat such arguments. I also think that the use of these names should be revisited as a whole based on the fact that they are now in very common usage across multiple media outlets, thus making the names frequently the common name. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Even literally Google is calling it "Winter Storm Uri" on their homepage in Chrome now. WP:OFFICIALNAMESONLY is a red link for a reason. I intend to, if I get time soon, open a new move request armed with more information. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weather Channel storm naming

Tropical storms naming are officially recognized globally. Unofficially recognized naming of winter storms by the weather channel is a weather marketing effort to draw attention to their reporting. I do not think promoting TWC's unofficial naming is appropriate in this or other storm articles.Doyna Yar (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was great when they first started. Now, multiple organizations unaffiliated with TWC have started using the names in their reporting. As such, a redirect is appropriate, and per
MOS:BOLDLEAD the alternative name should be prominent and bolded for readers to see that they've arrived at the right article. Sure, it may be a marketing tactic, but that doesn't mean we can ignore it when it is widely used by the public and multiple other news organizations. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 20:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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@Doyna Yar: You can call TWC's naming of weather systems a marketing effort to draw attention to their reporting, however, that argument ignores several facts that need to be taken into consideration. Firstly, not all tropical cyclone naming is official and we would use unofficial names if a system was notable enough to deserve an article but not named officially. Hell we can't even say that all of the RSMC/TCWC's (Official warning centers) name tropical cyclones. Secondly, some winter storms are named by weather services associated with the World Meteorological Organization, including by the United Kingdom Met Office and Met Eireann. While the majority of highs and low in Europe year-round get named by FU Berlin, which as far as I know is backed by the German Met Service. Thirdly you are ignoring the fact that TWC has been naming for 9 years now which is a very long time for a marketing ploy. As a result, I feel that its fine to include the names in Wikipedia articles, especially since we are not censored.Jason Rees (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths

I found this source for 23 deaths in Texas. Would these be considered as direct or indirect because the article doesn't make it exactly clear. ~~ 🏅🌀𝕾𝖚𝖕𝖊𝖗 𝕮𝖞𝖈𝖑𝖔𝖓𝖎𝖈 𝕾𝖙𝖔𝖗𝖒 𝕮𝖔𝖗𝖔𝖓𝖆🌀🏅 14:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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should we add a separate page for the crisis in texas?

it seems it could warrant its own thing Camdoodlebop (talk) 00:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The correct way to approach a question like this is to develop any content that would be used in such an article here. One of two things will happen - the amount of content that can be added (within
    indiscriminate information, will make this page woefully too long, and it can be split easily at that time; or it will be discovered that the information that exists and merits placement in Wikipedia can be covered sufficiently here without making the page longer. Subpages/spinoff pages are not created simply because it may warrant it - editorial discretion to keep articles manageable in size (not too short/specific, not too long/broad) does. And as of right now, the amount of content regarding Texas impacts in this page does not merit spinning it off at all. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 00:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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I also feel there should be a separate page (e.g. Texas Winter Storm and Energy Crisis). Already the section on Texas is longer than any other section in this article, and there is still a lot more information to add: the federal response, background on Texas' independent power grid, food supply chain breakdown... I think it is easily enough content to warrant its own article. Moreover, many people are searching for information on the crisis in Texas now and they are much less likely to find it if it is all contained under the heading "February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm." Burritok (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be a separate article, to not unbalance this article. It involves matters not directly related to this storm, since it involves the politics of windmills, underinvestment, political deflection, the failure of the natural gas system, and also of coal; and CNN is showing hte failure of the public works dept in clearly snow in comparison to the electrified Arkansas. -- 65.93.183.33 (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've created a draft here as a barebones starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Texas_Winter_Storm_and_Power_Crisis,_2021 Feel free to add any content you feel is valuable! Burritok (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For anyone looking to create more foundational articles, I was looking for an overview at
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thanks for agreeing with me. i’m not sure why that first person was so negative and rude to my suggestion, but what can you do! Camdoodlebop (talk) 01:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of images from Oklahoma here

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/6521897/oklahoma-national-guard-partnered-with-ohp-assist-motorists-winter-weather Victor Grigas (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sea turtle rescue

900 Sea turtles rescued in Corpus Christi Texas

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorgrigas (talkcontribs)

Suggested images

Include:

  • An image of air temperatures and/or departures-from-average following the storm across North America.
  • Burst pipes in Texas.
  • Ice accretion total maps.
  • Power outage maps.

142.120.100.241 (talk) 05:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I really think the main image should be of the storm or a map of its impacts over the southern plains / Texas. Virtually none of the most historic / significant impacts were in the Northeast yet that is where the storm is in the infobox's graphic. Master of Time (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Texas Electricity Crisis

Would this article benefit from being split into another one called "2021 Texas Electricity Crisis"?

I think using this article to speak about the meteorology and geography of the storm, and linking it to an article focused on its social and political effects in Texas would benefit readers. That article could highlight infrastructural neglect, inequality in the water and power grid, and track longer effects on Texan society. One of the dominant streams of discussion around this storm is how the effects of this storm is disproportionately affecting minority populations in Texan metros. The reason why this disproportionate effect occurs is because of longer-term deregulations and shorter-term responses, especially attitudes of climate change denial amongst legislators. I feel that a meteorological article and a societal article have different standards of cause-and-effect which should not be mixed here.

2600:1700:5890:69F0:65CE:7A05:F167:FFB0 (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We are working on a draft for such a separate page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2021_Texas_power_crisis Burritok (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 February 2021

A local consensus to violate the naming policy by prohibiting names that are clearly in the best compliance with that policy does not override the project-wide consensus of that policy. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 04:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Hey I live here!

I think we should to the article about the temperatures, which is the main cause for such an event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Beryman (talkcontribs) 14:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The word "temperature" already appears 17 times. What exactly are you proposing? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking we should cover the effects also outside of the US, as the affected regions also say Southern Greenland. Anyone have any info to add? --Djstriker91 (talk) 18:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article Suggestions

This article does not address how the storm impacted low-income and minority communities disproportionately (especially in Houston), especially since these communities were also those already hit hardest by the pandemic. I think it would be a valuable addition either as a separate heading or subheading under impact. Also, the "Aftermath" section is extremely short and could benefit from additional information about the long-term consequences of the storm, such as legislative plans to improve Texas' energy infrastructure. One other potential change could be to separate the "Preparations and impact" section into two separate section with a more concise summary of preparations and a full section just for "Impact" detailing the storm's effects. I think this would aid the organizational clarity. Also, even though there is already a separate page on the Texas power crisis, including a separate section on this page referencing the Texas power grid's failure could be beneficial for additional context. Amykuriakose (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merger

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I suggest merging the coldwave article into this one since they are directly related to each other and NOAA lists them as one event here. It would make sense to have a single article covering the entire event rather than splitting it into two. A retitling would also be required here if it is merged. We may also need to merge February 15–20, 2021 North American winter storm as well since it directly followed the February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm and largely compounded its effects. I'm thinking it may be a better idea to discuss this by area rather than by storm. The aftermaths are overlapping significantly and the cold temps of the coldwave were still in play during the second storm as well. If we are going to get this event to GA or FA, I think we need to cover it by country/state instead of having three articles split by storm and the coldwave. AON and NOAA list this as one whole event. NoahTalk 04:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would also propose a renaming to "February 2021 North American winter storms and cold wave" to reflect that. NoahTalk 04:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support, for merging to "February 2021 North American winter storms and cold wave" – After some thinking, I believe that a merger may be the best course of action for the 3 articles in question. While I'm normally staunchly opposed to merging the articles for subjects that are clearly distinct, Winter Storms Uri and Viola and the cold wave all have overlapping impacts in most of the regions that they struck, especially in the Southern US. While the meteorological history and the immediate impacts of these storms and the cold wave can be clearly separated, the same cannot be said for the aftermath, which sees all 3 of these events blend together in a way that cannot be separated. Even though Winter Storm Uri (the storm primarily responsible for wrecking Texas's power grid and the ensuing energy crisis) has the vast majority of the impacts, both Winter Storm Viola and the cold wave also struck the same areas either concurrently or within a week, meaning that some of their impacts are intertwined as well. Moreover, most reliable sources that I've seen don't even both separating out the impacts or the aftermath for the storms/event in question here (aside from some of the immediate impacts), which makes fully separating these events difficult. This also negatively affects the quality of the articles. Right now, we have one somewhat-extensive article for Winter Storm Uri (but still largely incomplete), and two more shorter articles for Winter Storms Viola and the cold wave that are definitely incomplete, but cannot be expanded much further on their own. As things are right now, it is impossible for all 3 articles to reach GA status independently, let alone FA status. However, a combined article would be much stronger and would be able to reach those levels of quality. Consequently, I believe that a merger may be the best way forward. If we are to merge these articles, I think that we should follow a format similar to Tropical storms Amanda and Cristobal and January 2010 North American winter storms, which is doable and will retain all of the information in each of the individual articles. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 07:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose any mergers I strongly think we need to enact a merge moratorium on here as well given recent tendencies to merge just because a few impacts from one storm are not able to be separated from one. Plus, the cold wave started way before these two storms struck (about a week or so around the 6th) so merging that is a no-go and can easily have more records or details put in. When this type of event happened in 2015 I was able to separate each event from each other on their own page even though they came in quick succession. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 19:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: MarioProt and I have discussed in detail off-wiki about related structures and have come to a compromise that the coldwave article will continue to exist, however, it will primarily focus on the effects in the west north central states, some of the northwestern midwest, and Canada. It would have a brief summary of the effects outside those regions, however, most of that will be in the combined article (broader coverage at X). I added the ability for multiple RSI bars to exist so Uri and Viola can both be in the infobox with their stats. The combined article would be organized appropriately. Basically, this turns the proposal into just merging the coldwave in the southern plains, Uri, and Viola. NoahTalk 00:53, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioProtIV: If you are okay with this alt proposal as I discussed with you and list above, I will close this discussion with consensus for that alt proposal (originally started on October 20 and adjusted my comment to October 23) as long as nobody else has any objections. NoahTalk 02:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Former !vote
  • Neutral merging the code wave and Uri, oppose merging Viola I agree with Mario that a few impacts from one storm are not able to be separated from one. Viola certainly has separable impacts from Uri in the Northeastern United States as well as the Northern Plains. Destroyer (Alternate account) 00:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Im sorry, but you are mistaken about there being significant northern plain impacts. It was in the southern plains where the storm was bad. Keep in mind the impacts in the NE can be separated, but the aftermath/cleanup is the same. It was about 1-2 days or so apart in both the southern plains and the northeast. NoahTalk 00:53, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • After further off-wiki discussion with Noah, as well as Noah's rundown of the proposed article structure, I now support the move. Per reliable sources, the disasters are essentially indistinguishable in terms of impact and aftermath in Mexico as well as the Southern U.S. There is also precedence in the January 2010 North American winter storms. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 20:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article structure Here is a rough breakdown for the combined article given my comment above about the coldwave existing still but with a narrower scope. It's too difficult to make an exact outline not knowing how much exists source-wise. The met section would be split into three separate subsections related to the coldwave and the two storms. The aftermath would be split up as needed by state/region. There would be a record section for cold/snow/ice records. Here is an impact subdivision example:
Mexico
Part 1. Overall damage/effects
Part 2. coldwave Temps/damage those caused
Part 3. First storm and its damage
Part 4. Second storm and its damage NoahTalk 01:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Slight oppose to the merge. I don't really know exactly why a merge should happen, but my comment and my slight oppose comes more from what "actually" happened. Listed on
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  • @
    Elijahandskip: People took those numbers from the articles and simply added them there without any thought as to what they actually mean. The total that was given for the 210 to 702 is the total deaths estimated in Texas between all three of those. Texas doesn't separate the impact between the winter storms and cold wave. The report details the entire disaster that hit Texas. It is treated as one continuous disaster by NOAA and AON and thus should receive an article detailing its impact in such a manner. It would make no sense to make an article about the effects of the coldwave there, then another about the snow from X storm, etc... It should be covered together as impact was either occurring concurrently or directly after another. Yes, they should have separate meteorological subsections, but their impact should be covered together. The same thing happened in Mexico with the cold wave causing damage at the same time as either of the two winter storms. It's continuous impact and listed as a single, continuous disaster. NoahTalk 10:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Ah, that makes sense. In that case, I am changing my slight oppose !vote to a strong support !vote.
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Sources

Meteorological history

United States

Texas

New Mexico

Oklahoma

Nebraska

Arkansas

Louisiana

Mississippi

I'll be doing this over time.

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Alabama

FlastyJam is doing. NoahTalk 18:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Missouri

Tennessee

Illinois

Indiana

Michigan

Ohio

My home state! You're darn tootin' that I'm covering it. NoahTalk 22:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky

West Virginia/Virginia

Pennsylvania

New York/New Jersey

Destroyeraa is doing. NoahTalk 18:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preps in NJ/NYC:

Rest of New England/North East

Rest of Southeast (flood/tornado/thunderstorm +snow from second storm)

I will do this as well. NoahTalk 19:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico

I will work on this section. NoahTalk 20:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Canada

Meesa doing CANADA as well! NoahTalk 00:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Scholarly reports

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NCEI":

  • From Fayetteville, Arkansas: "Station: Fayetteville EXP STN, AR". U.S. Climate Normals 2020: U.S. Monthly Climate Normals (1991-2020). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved June 21, 2021.
  • From Hastings, Nebraska: "Station: hastings 4N, NE". U.S. Climate Normals 2020: U.S. Monthly Climate Normals (1991-2020). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved January 13, 2022.
  • From Shreveport, Louisiana: "Station: Shreveport, LA". U.S. Climate Normals 2020: U.S. Monthly Climate Normals (1991-2020). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved August 19, 2021.
  • From List of disasters by cost: "Significant Earthquake Database". NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 20 May 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 08:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]