User talk:Bgsu98: Difference between revisions

Welcome Bgsu98!

-Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 00:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I noticed you made a minor edit to the "Traditions" section on the Spartans Drum Corps Wikipedia page, which is removing the "Pre-Show Hype" section. It's a bit insignificant, I know. Just to be clear, I am by no means a moderator or admin: nor am I disappointed that you deleted it (I actually approve and endorse it). But I am curious as to why you felt that it was necessary. My assumption is that there were not sufficient sources to cite; which would explain why but just wanted to get your perspective on what was wrong with it.

Tv.Rule (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of the biggest complaints I’ve seen about the Drum Corps pages on Wikipedia is that they are overflowing with excessive and esoteric details. I’m seeing drum corps pages being deleted for not meeting Wikipedia standards, so I’m trying to clean them up to prevent that from happening. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgsu98, I see you're trying to go through and trim some of the OLTL character pages, and it's much appreciated. I know how hard it can be to wrangle those pages, which is often why I end up using the nuclear option. Just so you know what I'm thinking when I remove all that content, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Soap_Operas#Plot_summaries says that the standard character summary should be around 500 words. Natalie Buchanan, even after your edits, is still over 2700 words. Even accounting for certain major characters having longer summaries--say, double the 500--her page is still far too long to be appropriate for a good wikipedia article. Hopefully that gives you a target if you continue to trim those down, but regardless, thanks for your edits. Cheers, Alyo (chat·edits) 00:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not done with the Natalie article at all. I just had to take a break! Bgsu98 (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haha all good! I just wanted to flag the one sort-of-agreed-upon guideline in this area. Keep it up! Alyo (chat·edits) 00:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know how the article looks now. I think it’s still kind of wordy, but she was on the show for over a decade. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Better than it was. I would probably still try to trim it a little more, but it's nowhere near as egregious. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken a break from Natalie; I will try to come back to her tomorrow. I worked on Jessica today, and am working on Rex right now. That’s a big one! 😳 Bgsu98 (talk) 01:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Significantly better! Alyo (chat·edits) 18:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed you've been trying to

MOS:ACCESS-ify several of the Big Brother articles, and have gotten quite a bit of pushback. Just wanted to thank you for the work you've put into it since I know it can be discouraging when your edits are reverted. A lot of editors like to go strictly by precedent and think it can override larger guidelines. We went through the same trouble when we replaced the old Template:Big Brother sidebar with Template:Infobox reality competition season, replacing the large paragraph summaries (Big Brother 16 (American season)#Summary) with Template:Episode table, and quite a few other things I could name. They'll hopefully warm up to it eventually. Let me know if there's anything I can help with! TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply

So I feel bad because I deleted the (Immune) underneath each instance of a Immune houseguest for BB22 and BB23, could this information be added as a note, like Note 2: Since Frenchie won HoH week 1, his entire team (Azah, Britini, and Derek F.) was immune for the week, that way this important information isn't only displayed by color, but also a footnote Edwyth (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That might work, but I believe the note would have to go in the individual cells and not just generically at the bottom of the table. Let me take a look. Bgsu98 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I added a note for every instance of Immunity in BB22 and BB23, if you prefer the note to be in each voting cell, I would prefer that over the (Immune) as that eats up so much space to be distracting to the eyes. Edwyth (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a note would look better. My first try didn't work; let me try another approach. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

if you look at Big Brother 22 (American season) I did it as a Superscript on Kaysar's and Janelle's voting cell, do you like that? Edwyth (talk) 08:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what it needs! Bgsu98 (talk) 08:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, I am glad we were able to work something out! I finished BB22, I'll do BB23 in a second. Edwyth (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like it looks clean and accessible! Edwyth (talk) 08:18, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's good! It's only necessary in cells where the background color doesn't match the text. Bgsu98 (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The edits I made on Big Brother 23 are perfectly compliant with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. This obsession you have with articles looking the way you want them to look is damaging to Wikipedia. I highly suggest you consider participating in activities outside the computer instead of dedicating so many hours to something so harmful and needless. Ugla'a (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed out to you precisely how those changes were not compliant. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again.. Your recent changes to Big Brother 23 (American season) included at least four problems that I counted.

• MOS:COLOR
  states that color cannot be the only method used to convey information. The colored cells down the left column are inappropriate.
• MOS:SMALL
  states that font size cannot go below 85%. Since the table is already set at 85%, using <small> tags causes the font to go below 85% and it is too small to read.
• MOS:DTAB
  requires that tables include appropriate row and column headers, which you removed. The ! scope="row" is required in order to meet accessibility guidelines.
• You removed several superscripts which were inserted in order to convey important information that was otherwise only conveyed via cell color. This was a good compromise that another user came up with in order to avoid cluttering the cells with things like (Immunity) and so on. Users relying on screen-readers cannot access the notes at the bottom of the table and they need to be included in the individual cells to which they apply.

Bgsu98 (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The current(smaller) page is a good compromise, that can be used as a baseline for other articles. Please don't make the names column massive like you did originally though. Ugla'a (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That must have been a mistake; I never intended to widen that column. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask why you are making all of the (none) columns gray? I thought the point was to remove color. Ugla'a (talk) 23:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, why are you deleting all the have-nots from previous seasons? That is definitely verifiable information that has impact on the game. Edwyth (talk) 08:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwyth... I'm sorry, I missed this message. Per Wikipedia:Fancruft, "too much detail is present that will bore, distract or confuse a non-fan, when its exclusion would not significantly harm the factual coverage as a whole." These articles are already too long as it is with far too much minutiae and details. This isn't a fan wiki. The have-nots situation ultimately has no effect on the outcome of the game; it doesn't effect nominations or decide who goes home. It's just a list of names. The show barely even addresses it on the television broadcasts. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just weighing in on this, I think the Have-Not information could be useful, but I never understood it needing it's own independent section and table. It could just as easily fit into the episode summaries since it's [typically] shown in the episodes. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a mention of it in the overall summary (the section that explains how the show works) is fine, but there doesn't need to be a separate table with players listed by week when that information ultimately has no impact on the outcome of the game. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

		The Accessibility Barnstar
		You definitely deserve this for the work you've put in on Big Brother articles the last few weeks. This will significantly help in the longterm. Keep up the great work!!! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey friend! Didn’t want to post this on the notes of BB24 and since I feel like you are the boss of everything I wanted to show you this. This was the draft I did for showing partners on the voting table… I know you said not to worry about it but I feel like it’s important information to show on the table. If you hate it or thing it’s unnecessary no worries at all :) It’s just hard trying to propose things or bounce ideas around on here lmao. Let me know what you think!

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E51539 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it posted weird, just realized my mistake 😭 E51539 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First off, just to clarify, I’m not the boss of anything. Secondly, the row header (the cell with the player’s name) has to be the first element in the row, so that column of colored cells down the left is inappropriate. The partners are already listed above, so this is redundant. We already eliminated these from previous seasons’ tables. This adds confusion for a twist that will last, at most, two or three weeks. Bgsu98 (talk) 21:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thank you! Sorry if my tone came across wrong, I wasn’t saying that you were the boss as a rude thing, you’re just the expert and I value your opinion! Thanks for all you’ve been doing! E51539 (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On 24 August 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Michael Malone (author), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 21:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Amazing Race 1. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Please take your edits to the talk page per WP:BRD. Arguably your edits have made the table worse off than before. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you also explain how the table in its current state (before your revision) violates WP:ACCESS? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The notations for eliminated, last place but not eliminated, and fast forward were not appropriately notated as to be accessible per

MOS:ACCESS. Additionally, your reversions have removed the row and column scope headers which are also required. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply

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MOS:COLOR states that color cannot be the only means of conveying information, as I know you are aware. The table also needed the correct row and column headers which your reversions also removed. I removed a few of the notations that did not in any way affect team placements. This isn't a fan wiki; it's a placement table and unless the notation explains why a team placed where they did, or changed placements between legs, it qualifies as Fancruft, so I removed it. As for the changes to the general prose, if you don't like it, okay, no big deal. I think the leads are too scarce. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Not sure why you reverted my edits on The Amazing Race 34, as it doesn't violate any of the MOS rules you have listed above. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I would like to inform you the message on my talk page was done in error as I did not make changes to the table formatting under

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Mz7 (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mz7 Thank you so much! I appreciate it. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just submitted an article for creation for Taylor Hale, the winner of BB24. I know you are a very active editor on all of reality television Wikipedia, and I hope you can help me perfect the article. Ugla'a (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You will need a source for her birthdate. I also added the CN notation to other statements that will require sources. Good Luck! Bgsu98 (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since fancruft details have been removed from the table, like the roadblock count and intersection pairings, shouldn't the others go as well? The fast forward and yield/u-turn details could be moved to the leg sections, e.g. "<Fast Forward task description>. Anne & Bob claimed this Fast Forward." and "Annie & Bob U-turned Charlie & Delta."? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 18:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That argument could be made. If you take a look at the first five seasons, you'll see that statements about which team won a particular Fast Forward have been added to the individual episode summaries. The same can be done with things like U-turns, Yields, Intersections, and partner swaps. On the other hand, those items do have a direct impact on team placements and may be appropriate to the results/placement table. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you recently use the word 'Last' instead of an ordinal number, but I think it should be reversed. Non-elimination legs still have the ordinal number (as well as the rest of the placements). TAR also uses placements categorically, unlike shows like Project Runway or Drag Race where it's more qualitative of who can in the "top 3" or "bottom two". So even though the hosts say "last team", could we stick to ordinal numbers for consistency within the table itself?

If footnotes are too cluttered looking, we could try to fill in the cells with colors, like in the Big Brother tables. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 04:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Colored cells, like on the Big Brother tables, have also required footnotes. I’m trying to find a solution that meets accessibility requirements and avoids the clutter of having to footnote every elimination. The non-elimination legs have an ordinal for the last-place team as well as a footnote explaining why there was no elimination. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there's already a legend for the font color of the placements, as well as the cast list table that details what leg they were eliminated in and if they came back in as well (which is also covered by footnote like in season 33). That, along with the fact that a team that has no placements in the following legs should be enough to denote the team as eliminated, right? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 04:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You would think so, but you also have to account for users who rely on screen-readers, and can’t see that all of the subsequent cells are shaded gray. I’m trying to find a solution that meets everyone’s needs as well as Wikipedia’s MOS. Bgsu98 (talk) 04:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get that. Though that makes me want to use a symbol like the double dagger ‡ next to the ordinal number instead. It's used in award show winner/nominees tables and those doesn't have a footnote next to the symbol. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 07:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something I came up with for the eliminations and non-eliminations - have double daggers and daggers for those two respectively. I also have some other suggestions in here. The "two halves" of a mega-leg or similar legs could be like in leg 1 by using the circle with left/right half black symbols with a footnote. I also changes the small-case x to a light saltire for the head-to-head so that there's a bit of space between the leg number and the symbol. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 16:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at The Amazing Race 9 to see how I restored the double legs last night, and let me know what you think. Bgsu98 (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also saw that in the season 32 page, and that's why I looked for a change. It looks so bulky and all the links go to the same place. I still prefer the symbol+footnote for the double/mega legs. I think the only reason why we need 2 header cells is because of the sorting option, so maybe we could remove that instead. Also, what do you think of my suggestions for the table? 136.158.65.53 (talk) 16:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at The_Amazing_Race_32#Results... I have slightly modified the column headers to try and make them less obtrusive. It didn't occur to me to use small font for the 1st and 2nd halves, but that is still perfectly compliant. Also, check out User:Bgsu98/sandbox... This is how the table would look if we eliminate that one large row across the top and replace it with a caption, which all tables are supposed to include anyway and most do not. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:11, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like how the table caption and the small font size for the "halves" makes the table header more compact! I think that solves that problem. I also edited your sandbox to add my suggestion with the last place denotation. I think that the ordinal numbers with the dagger symbols works better than the word 'Last' for a table of numbers. It's more consistent within the table, doesn't stray away from the previous style, and adheres to accessibility rules. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s my understanding that symbols do not comply with accessibility because they are no more readable by screen-readers than colors or italics or font changes are. Let me do some investigating. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you would prefer a superscript versus putting (Double Leg) after the leg number in the column header? It honestly doesn’t matter to me either way; I just thought people wanted to avoid the superscripts as much as possible. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think people didn't want superscripts in places where it was obvious (to them) that it was already something else, like the red/blue last places from before. I just replaced the "(Double leg)" part with a superscript to further declutter the header, and the fact that a footnote can say more (e.g. when these mid-leg placements were actually taken from).

I did some checking as well, I think the first bullet point in the Color section here is the reasoning for the dagger symbols in tables like this. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 01:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could @Masem or @Lee Vilenski chime in with whether those dagger symbols would meet accessibility requirements? Bgsu98 (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like, based on Template:Dagger, that you can substitute an alternate text (like "This team was eliminated") which will not show up on the screen normally, but would be read by screen-readers. If so, that should solve the problem. Let me investigate further. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified The Amazing Race 1#Results with the dagger symbols. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I didn't know there's alt text for the dagger symbols (even the Oscars page didn't have that). But nevertheless I like the current state of this table. I also like the way the two halves of the megaleg is handled in your sandbox. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 01:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Just helping out with the editing! But I did encounter a problem with the notes. I didn't want to keep editing the numbers, so I wondered if instead of ref, we could use efn. You could check out the TAR11 results table for what it would look like. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks good! Though someone will probably bellyache about the numbers being changed to letters… 😂 Bgsu98 (talk) 19:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished editing the results table up to season 19, but I was wondering how are the failed u-turns and unused express passes are going to be handled. If they aren't going to be in the results table, then they are supposed to be in the leg summary, which I see you already started editing and I wanted to put my two cents in. I added a leg summary section in your sandbox where I ordered the tasks and additional notes chronologically in one section, since I'm assuming more details are going to be added like the failed u-turn/express pass, which team is eliminated, what prize the first place team received. We can also add details here on what type of u-turn it was (single, double, blind, required-use, etc) since those are not anywhere on the page except in the Development & Filming sections, and the roadblock prompts (if those doesn't feel too fancrufty since the detour names are in the leg summary as well). I do think previously these sections are strictly locations and tasks lists, but right now it seems it's crossing over to episode summary as well. 136.158.65.53 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The failed u-turns should go to the individual episode summaries. I've already removed several, but I know there are more out there. I also deleted unused express passes from the results table because they had zero impact on the results, but if you want to add them to the episode summaries, that sounds fine. If you look at, for example, The Amazing Race 2#Leg 1 (United States → Brazil), you'll see that the very beginning of the section includes the episode number and title, airdate, prize awarded and to whom, and who was eliminated. Then the locations, the tasks, and additional notes. Ultimately, I think the tasks should be ordered chronologically, because this is a TV show, but I haven't done that yet because, frankly, it's been a while since I've seen many of these episodes and I didn't want to try and recreate the order of events from memory. If you want to clarify the types of yield/u-turn in the episode summaries, that seems fine too. Thank you for all of your help! Bgsu98 (talk) 13:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious, are you sure the count of Roadblocks on an Amazing Race season necessarily counts as "fancruft"? It's part of the game because of a rule since season 5 that teams must perform an equal amount overall, and when it's too unbalanced, the clue will state the person who's fallen behind must do the next one.

170.10.238.29 (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The show keeps track of that, and it's rarely mentioned on air. Bgsu98 (talk) 21:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it should be included anywhere, it's probably in the Roadblock description in the leg summary if its mentioned that "this person must perform this roadblock". 136.158.65.53 (talk) 08:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgsu98,

You were kind enough to send me a note explaining how the judges statements on the Dancing with the Stars pages.

I wanted to share the dataset that I made from the weekly scores tables: https://github.com/howisonlab/dwts_dataset. Others have done that before, but it was useful to me to learn and also to create a database style dataset useful for teaching databases.

Maybe not of interest, but who knows :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameshowison (talk • contribs) 17:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that's all beyond me, but I'm glad you were able to find it useful for your instruction! Bgsu98 (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If a team is eliminated before they can complete all of the required tasks and make it to the Pit Stop, that should be mentioned because that's something out of the ordinary. All of such cases involve Phil arriving to teams in question to inform them of their eliminations, always shown throughout the episodes. Without a note and/or symbol, anyone reading it could assume it was a normal elimination when that's not always the case. How should we go about presenting those situations? 9March2019 (talk) 01:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those circumstances are explained in the individual episode summaries. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the response. 9March2019 (talk) 01:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And don’t be rude to us who are just trying to save the pages of our favorite show without you taking all the nice visuals from them and making them into an unappealing convoluted read Ianthebalance (talk) 08:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean to say ruining oops Ianthebalance (talk) 08:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I’m just having trouble reading the pages with your edits. I would delete the above if I knew how. I only made the account after seeing how rude you were to some people who kindly tried to get the pages good agajn Ianthebalance (talk) 08:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me where I have been rude to someone who was acting kindly. Bgsu98 (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen people call you a "vandal", a "troll", "mentally ill", and "the worst person ever". Even as someone who had a strong reaction of visual disgust to some of the initial changes made, that's clearly over the top. This is a tv show and a website, and while being attached to something because "it's been that way forever" is understandable, nothing is immune to improvement. Splitting out a contestants table on every Race season is an example of something that I initially thought was an eyesore, but I've gotten used to it and noticed that none of the upset users have raised it as something that they don't like.

I just checked the articles again and was expecting something atrocious based on how people are acting, but instead found that the readability of the tables has improved. I expect that it will continue to do so.

"There was a problem, and the person trying to fix it is me." is the type of quote that particularly upsets people. I can see the truth in it, but it's still bad manners. 60.225.128.169 (talk) 03:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I saw you revert my changing of the 1st Half and 2nd Half to H1 and H2 as an abbreviation in the TAR 34 and TAR 6 result tables. I think changing them to abbreviations is better because it would allow the columns of double legs to be closer in width to the other columns. Here's the resources I found for the abbr template and the web content accessibility guidelines for abbreviations. It appears as tooltips on most browsers and is fine on screen readers, plus the abbr template is used in ~1% of pages (according to the edit warning at the top of the template page). 136.158.65.53 (talk) 13:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What would you think about something like this? User:Bgsu98/sandbox

In the end, I don't think it will matter, since the goal will be to eventually have these seasons divided up by episodes (like every other TV show on Earth) and not by "leg". Bgsu98 (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The edit in your sandbox is already better. As for the future plans for these pages, I thought game shows like TAR take exception to the per-episode plot separation and can use their game format instead, as per MOS:Television (the last paragraph in the Plot Section section). 136.158.65.53 (talk) 03:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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