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This article contains a translation of Битва за Донбас (2022) from uk.wikipedia.

Some could argue that the battle ended the day that the Ukrainians began the

Please discuss. Pinging some editors. @EkoGraf @Mr.User200 PilotSheng (talk) 20:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could be to early to declare the campaign over, some fighting is still being reported in Bakhmut and Soledar, regarding the Ukrainian Counter-offensive in general it's divided in Kherson and Kharkiv, plus some advances on Donbas from the forces that came from Kharkiv. The current version of the article is ok for me. We should wait some weeks, is posible that a Russian breakout near Bakhmut materialize. We should wait some weeks.Mr.User200 (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The scope of this article is a complete mess in general, and I agree that it really needs to be defined better. Are all operations in east Ukraine after April 2022 part of the "Battle of Donbas", despite big gaps between offensives? No one's been calling the campaign a "battle" in a non-figurative way since mid-2022 apart from Wikipedia.

I've always been for merging this into

Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and actually has a meaning distinct from the wider campaign. HappyWith (talk) 17:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply

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We need Reliable Sources for inclusion, please take into account too, that Presidential Advisor Arestovych is not the Ukrainian MOD or Ukrainian Central Command. Don't use url links to attempt to claim Ukrainian MOD have reported those numbers. Use only Primary and Secondary sources of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the content of the article. Mr.User200 (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is an RFC in progress on

Someone clearly didn't read the article they cited as a source, because the article claims the following: "Despite the mobilization efforts of the Damascus government and private partners, Russia’s goal to flood Ukraine with foreign fighters failed. U.S. Marine Corps General McKenzie confirmed that there has not been a flow of Syrian fighters up to this point."[1] The source does not say anywhere that Syrian mercenaries were involved in the fighting, it says that Moscow only tried and failed. According to that article, there are no Syrian mercenaries in Ukraine, and therefore Syria should be deleted from the "Belligerents" section, because this is an unsubstantiated claim, even disinformation. Dr. Ivan Kučera (talk) 15:34, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch! I already started an RFC at

Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine where editors are voting to remove Syria as a belligerent from all the articles related to the war. Hopefully this kind of thing can be gotten rid of. HappyWith (talk) 15:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply

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The RFC has closed and the closer has said that Syria shouldn't be added at this time. As such, I have proceeded to remove Syria. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It has been proposed in this section that Battle of Donbas (2022) be renamed and moved to War in Donbas (2022–present). A bot will list this discussion on requested moves' current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

• Delete article. This is exactly the same as Eastern Ukraine campaign right now. There is no need for this page. Or for the other maybe. Super Ψ Dro 22:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep current title. You have a fair point about the name consistency, but changing 'Battle' to 'War' can give the impression it is a separate conflict from the larger ukraine invasion, when it is now sub-conflict of a larger ground invasion. The war was subsumed by a larger invasion and donbas became a battle for the region, therefore this article is just a progression. The current title gets the job done. If it is not broken, do not fix it. I also disagree that this article is redundant or superfluous. The Eastern ukraine campaign page includes all of eastern ukraine, while this article covers the fighting in the Donbas specifically, in more detail. They are not equivalent in scope. Leave this article alone for now. RopeTricks (talk) 20:02, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Consistency is not warranted because this is not a conflict analogous to the other article’s subject, nor is it a continuation of the other. For eight years the Donbas War comprised the only active theatre of kinetic warfare, and could be considered a war/the war as such. The 2022 battle of the Donbas (sometimes considered two battles separated by a pause), is a major operation in a broader war. Changing to parallel naming would obscure the defining differences rather than clarifying anything.  —Michael Z. 11:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Donbas campaign (2022–present). As several people have pointed out since this article's creation, this isn't a single "battle" but a series of offensives and battles in the region, i.e. a campaign, much like the larger eastern Ukraine campaign it is part of. Lightspecs (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Per
  WP:SURPRISE - implies there is a different war when it's all part of the same war. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:25, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Oppose. Per Michael Z, It shouldn't be consistent because it's not analogous. That would be confusing. HappyWith (talk) 17:45, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]