Talk:Þorgerður Katrín Gunnarsdóttir

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Þorgerður Katrín Gunnarsdóttir → Thorgerdur Katrín Gunnarsdóttir – We should use the normal letters of the English alphabet, e.g. we refer to the Norse god as Thor. PatGallacher (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per
  WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
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• Support per
  WP:USEENGLISH. Estar8806 (talk) 18:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose
  WP:USEENGLISH says to follow the usage of reliable English-language sources. No sources for the name Thorgerdur Katrín Gunnarsdóttir have been provided, and I can’t find any. 98.97.15.31 (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Here you are: [1] PatGallacher (talk) 22:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are two different spellings on that page. One is the current title and the other is also not the proposed title. 98.97.15.31 (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the version on that page doesn't use the diacritics. However I suggest that that is a minor issue, compared to avoiding Icelandic characters. PatGallacher (talk) 11:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pat - have you looked in the Iceland bios? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think the absence of sources to support the move is a minor issue. 98.97.15.31 (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose here on en.wp all living bios have their own names, all, except one: we only anglicize Serbian olympic tennis gold medalist Ana Ivanovic as the editors who did that say that Ana is ashamed of being Serbian and has said she wants to be British. I don't believe this, but they do. But here there is no evidence that this Icelandic lady politicain Þorgerður Katrín Gunnarsdóttir is ashamed of being an Icelander. Until evidence is forthcoming that this Icelander has played tennis at Wimbledon she should be allowed her own name, like everyone else on en.wp, except Ana. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BTW see under T for Category:Members of the_Althing, and then look at every other Iceland category and article body. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Þór Saari

Þorgerður Katrín Gunnarsdóttir

Þórhildur Sunna Ævarsdóttir

Þorsteinn Víglundsson

Þórunn Egilsdóttir

Þórunn Sveinbjarnardóttir

Þráinn Bertelsson

Þuríður Backman

Tómas A. Tómasson

Tryggvi Þór Herbertsson

• Strong oppose It is the correct spelling of her name using latin characters. The english Wikipedia uses the latin character of non-english subjects, see
  Hamad Međedović etc. Alvaldi (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  Other examples, Kåre Willoch - the former prime minister of Norway, Ana Brnabić - the prime minister of Serbia, Göran Persson - the former prime minister of Sweden, Đorđe Rakić - former professional footballer. Alvaldi (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It should also be noted that similar request moves have generally been rejected by the community in the past, see Gerhard Schröder, Lech Wałęsa, Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, François Mitterrand, Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson. Alvaldi (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alvaldi. Not just for Icelandic, these moves have been thoroughly rejected time and time again for everyone except Ana the trophy of the Tennis Names debacle. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply I don't have a problem with diacritics, since many people just ignore them. However the Icelandic letters thorn and eth are confusing to some people. PatGallacher (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If we have to, for a lack of a better word, "dumb" down the information on it we might as well merge it with

  Thorgerdur Katrin Gunnarsdottir to Þorgerður Katrín Gunnarsdóttir solves any searching problems people might have. Peoples lack of knowledge with thorn and eth should be solved with educating them about them, not removing them and pretend they don't exist. Alvaldi (talk) 16:54, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply

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  • • It is certainly the role of Wikipedia to educate people, but it should do so in an accessible way. Should we include all sorts of non-Latin characters in names, including the characters of the Cyrillic and other alphabets? And if not, why make an exception with these two Icelandic characters? PatGallacher (talk) 02:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

      @PatGallacher But they are Latin characters and both where even part of the english alphabet in the past. Some examples of new letters to the standard Latin alphabet are the Runic letters wynn ⟨Ƿ ƿ⟩ and thorn ⟨Þ þ⟩, and the letter eth ⟨Ð/ð⟩, which were added to the alphabet of Old English. Like Z and Y, they are part of many current latin characters borrowed from other alphabets. Alvaldi (talk) 09:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PatGallacher: yes but the question arises why target this particular living person. There was a reason for targeting Ana Ivanovic among all European bios for Anglicizing, but what has this lady done that all other Iceland politicians haven't? She's never even touched a tennis racket for all we know. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose lacking an source to the angelized name, so opposing and following policy on this one. As for typing icelandic letters for americans/brits, see mw:Extension:ULS.--Snævar (talk) 00:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, special letters in the Latin alphabet are usually used (for names of persons and places in many languages), from François Villon to Bodø, except if a different spelling is strongly established. Gestumblindi (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]