Talk:2023 Brovary helicopter crash

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Brovary helicopter crash → Brovary helicopter crash – Unnecessary disambiguation. There are no other 'Brovary helicopter crash' articles from other years. Compusolus (talk) 08:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Compusolus (talk) 09:30, 22 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC) [reply]

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  a potentially controversial move, feel free to take this to a discussion by clicking on the 'discuss' link above. – robertsky (talk) 09:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply

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  And also, you could even argue that the year is more important than the place. For example, I don't think I will remember the name "Brovary" going forward, but I will remember there was a helicopter crash that killed Ukrainian government people in 2023. Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

S̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶: Oppose: Like the examples for Flight Number 1 in 1936, 1941, and 1962, still put the date in there, it makes more sense and would be useful in the future. ☭MasterWolf-Æthelwulf☭ (talk). 00:07, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'S̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶: Oppose That Prussian1872 (talk) 17:39, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Not that i hope another helicopter crashes at the same place, but just in case, i think we should continue to show the year. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

copied from RM/TR – robertsky (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom, no need for the year. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Support same, the name Brovary is specific enough

  talk) 17:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply

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• Support There is no other accident article with this name, so the year is redundant.Tvx1 19:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom, I also say there's no need for the year to be mentioned. Ref ^(chew)(do) 09:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Brovary seems more than specific enough for the crash for a year to be included. In fact, I'm more interested as to whether this level of specificity will be used and popularised by current and retrospective media going forward - the only Ukranian source listed describes it as a "crash in Brovary", but every other source linked in English describes it as a "Ukraine" or "Kyiv" crash. XymphosCraK (talk) 10:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This reminds me a bit of the

  Denver Batman massacre got sent to RfD and kept) – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply

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• Support, with an understanding that
  2023 Kyiv helicopter crash is a perfectly acceptable redirect. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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• Support and snow close Seems to have broad consensus to move. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I agree with XymphosCraK that "Ukraine" or "Kyiv" crash seems more appropriate. I know 2023 is not actually needed, but I don't see what great harm it does. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 13:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, per norm and above --Tbf69 11:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support it doesn't make any sense to include the year of the event if no other aviation incidents happened in Brovary Republic of Selmaria (talk) 06:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – There is no requirement to use the shortest possible non-ambiguous title. '2023' is just four-character long and greatly increases clarity. Unlike e.g. the
  American revolutions, the Brovary helicopter crash isn't exactly an event so widely known that doesn't need any chronological hint to be identified. --Deeday-UK (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  Agreed, I would be in favor of even extending the title to include, "crash involving Ukrainian Interior Ministers". Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - Brovary crash would unlikely be so widely known in Anglosphere that usual reader in 2025 would understand without reading that it has happened in 2023. --M1911 (talk) 12:34, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, Deeday nailed it, the date adds clarity. Ribbet32 (talk) 15:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, "Ukraine" or "Kyiv" seem more appropriate than Brovary. I don't see that "2023" is unhelpful to the general reader. Quite the reverse. If there were further notable helicopter crashes in Ukraine this year, we would need to reconsider. Until then... meh. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 21:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Deeday &
  talk) 12:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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• Relisting comment: Relisted to obtain more consensus. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose the move as currently proposed, agree with SBS6577P about the applicability of
  WP:AVINAME. Andrew11374265 (talk) 23:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
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