Talk:2023 Kerala bombing

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. WP:PRECISE actually says the opposite of that the nomination is implying it says. The wording is "Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that." So 2023 Kerala bombing is fine. It also matches the way actual sources are describing it, as can be seen by looking down the list of references - they all say it was in Kerala, not in Kalamassery - and that's what's important here in terms of establishing a
  WP:COMMONNAME and recognizability.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The article has 10 refs, 3 of which include Kalamassery in their titles. We don't call the Dunblane massacre the 1996 Scotland massacre or the Port Arthur massacre the 1996 Tasmania massacre. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, the majority of refs do not use Kalamassery, whereas nearly all do say Kerala. So

WP:RECOGNIZE says we should use Kerala. We don't call the Dunblane massacre the "Scotland massacre" because that's not what sources call it. Whereas in this case, they are calling it Kerala. This is similar to the case discussed in Talk:2016 Munich knife attack#Requested move 10 May 2019 where we stuck with the Munich knife attack even though some editors said it was more precisely in Grafing. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply

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Calling Kalamasherry/ Ernakulam Jehovah's Witness Bomb blast as Kerala Bombing is like calling Mumbai 26/11 Maharashtra Gun Fight. Lets apply consistency in the naming scheme guys. Kerala is one of the big states in India with a 400+ km long coastline, I can understand applying the name of the state if Kerala was a City State or a 2 district State like Goa or Sikkim. Roaly (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• 2023 Kalamassery Convention Centre Blast
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This incident took place at the public landmark Kalamassery In the name of this article

There is no need to use Kerala. News links have mentioned Kalamassery, this incident is known more through news and is in Indian area It closes this discussion by announcing that this article is undergoing a name change (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spworld2 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Support@
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@Amakuru: Kalamassery is a well-known public land mark in India, it is in Kochi Metro Politic City, the news headline is mostly about Kalamassery, so this is a Kalamassery Incident, knowing more about this Kerala area.The reason for saying so strongly This link can be clicked for reference ^[1] Spworld2 (talk) 08:32, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't need the year, convention & centre shouldn't be capitalised & bombing is more precise than blast. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it better to specify the type of venue rather than the year. If the year is included, it should be at the beginning of the title. Bombing is more accurate than blast. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However, there is a need to consider a title change. The cited references for this event are derived from news media, which often aim to convey information quickly and efficiently to their audience. In doing so, they might use "

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Yes, there's the same problem with

2023 Balasore train collision. Most of the world hasn't heard of Balasore or Kalamassery, so the media more often use the names of the states they're in. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply

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• Support. I suggest 2023 Kalamassery bombing or as Kalamassery convention centre blast. Scope of the article is similar to that of the Elathur train attack. VIBHAATH GUDTROT (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support So I do I agree with @
  WP:CRITERIA are relevant here, specifically recognizability and naturalness, especially for those familiar (not an expert) with the subject. Also Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. For every single US school shooting, we use the town and/or the name of the school, never the state, for the very reason that multiple events could happen in the state and WP:Precision applies Schwinnspeed (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  Wrong. Most of the media is reffering it as Kalamasherry Bombings or Blasts. Please dont assume that Delhi Media as "most of the media", Noida media stopped reporting this news once the name of the perp came out, its being widely discussed in Kerala media now. Kalamasherry or Ernakulam Bombing is the correct name. Roaly (talk) 15:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Roaly I would suggest naming and linking to specific source (and or news media outlets) instead of using broad terms non-specific terms like "Delhi media" and "Noida media". -- Sohom (talk) 16:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I would suggest you ask the fellow who made the claim that media is using the term Kerala and not Kalamsherry to prove his point with sources. Thanks. Roaly (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per
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• Oppose per
  Calicut or Kochi. -- Sohom (talk) 23:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  How familiar are you with a place name called Elathur? VIBHAATH GUDTROT (talk) 08:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not familiar with Elathur before this was brought up. Claiming that other stuff is wrongly named, so this should, be is not a good defense. Sohom (talk) 09:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Kerala is a state and this event took place only in a small area of ​​a district (Ernakulam district) of Kerala, so the area where this event took place (Kalamassery) is Notability municipality Town. The appropriate name is Kalamassery convention center bombing User:Spworld2 (talk) 09:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It is not bombing. It must be 'blast(s)'. bombing is large scale action committed during a military or terrorist operations, like the Bombing of Tokyo during the World War 2. The kalamasssery incident didn't cause major explosion damage to the buildings or its properties. Even the deaths in this case was caused by burns from ignited petrol. In a 'bombing' you will see human body remains scattered around and building and/or vehicles torn into pieces; nothing of that sort happened here. VIBHAATH GUDTROT (talk) 10:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support It's obvious. Kerala is a large geographical area, a state, while the bombing happened at a hall in
  Kalamasserry. It's misleading. --The Doom Patrol (talk) 10:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  Even the word 'bombing' is misleading. 'Blast' is the right word. 'Bombing' is something allies did to Nazi Germany or what US did to Japan. I dont know which genius of a person created this article. VIBHAATH GUDTROT (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]