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Regretfully, I had to remove the link to Coos County, NH. "Coos Country" is an area in northern Vermont and not a county in New Hampshire. Obviously there are some influences (i.e. Whitcomb Rangers and Bedels troops), but these two areas are not the same. I have spent many hours pouring over references relating to both areas and I visited the area and retraced the Bayley-Hazen Road in 2004. "Coos Country" is now referred to the "Northern Kingdom" area of Vermont. There is even the quaint town of Cohoes in New York on the Mohawk River near Albany, NY. I first visited Cohoes, NY thinking I was discovering "Coos Country" and was corrected by the locals. All of these places are related, I think, as Hazen and the Canadian Refugees settled in New York's Capital Region, near Cohoes, NY, after the War. Armycaptain 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been working on a map for this article. It is a schematic map in order to help people understand the movement of the regiment. (Etienne2007 01:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I also translate this article in French and I added some information like the latin motto of the regiment and the Brown color and the COR letter in script (all those information comme from the SAR uniform web page)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_Own_Regiment

I put on the translation a link to this english article to give proper credit to the work that was done here.

I keep learning about those event and I learn some other name to add to the list. In my french version I included the name of the people I know were there and related people who work around the regiment. I still have a lot of Info like a Maurice who serve for a time and a recollet priest who was with the regiment. And the storie of Philippe de Liebert who will become a extremely famous religious sculpture maker in quebec...and was captain of the COR regiment (I have the picture of one of his religious statue)

Let me know if you like the map and the flag of the regiment I prepared, and if you want to add it to the article

Once again thank you for this work, I've learned a lot with it :-)

This page is getting very bloated with the vetern records and the citations in the main "Details" section. It makes it very hard to read and there is no need to put up every link to websites of family members who served in this regiment. It just makes for a bad article. Marc29th 13:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally someone is taking the time to bring all the scattered documentation available about this regiment and give it, and their members, due credit. Care is being given to provide verifiable sources for the article. Armycaptain 17:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just glad so much has been written. Had ancestors that fought with the 1st Candian Regiment and information regarding the Candian Refugees units with Moses Hazen has always been scarce. It does need work. I'll see if I can lend a hand sometime. Kudos to the researcher(s)! AroostookGeorge 13:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now that this artical has been expanded the quotes and weblinks seem much less overwhelming. Good job to you User:Armycaptain this is the best of all the Cont. Army stubs I started. Marc29th 21:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marc, thank you very much for your recent comment! I feel I redeemed myself a bit after a seemingly rough start. You can't make an omelette unless you crack some eggs! Thank you for starting this stub!Armycaptain 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

This is armycaptain. Most of the non-logged edits have been from me, also. I am really excited about this article because it gives me an opportunity to share the history of this regiment. I have studied this regiment for almost 10 years and have visited all the encampment and battlefield sites (except for Yorktown). I have visited many institutions (U.S. Army of Military History, Historical Society of Penna., David Library of the American Revolution, Soc. of the Cincinnati, and so on) and have examined the original orderly books and letters. Using this knowledge, I have contributed to this article using only Internet sources and the well-respected secondary work by Everest. From these sources, the details that I have contributed regarding places, movements and assignments are factual and accurate. My primary research confirms them. The compilation of veteran records (with citations) is also very unique and are placed in a separate section to ease reference. Many of these particular veterans, i.e. Captain Duncan and Lt. Colonel Antill are important persons that shaped the regiment. This article is an excellent Wikipedia example of how detailed and comprehensive information can be compiled from the Internet. I am honored and pleased to share my research with all of you.Armycaptain 22:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Format note: source notes need formatting as per

One the footnotes are inserted correctly, new material can be inserted, old material deleted or replaced, without fear of "messing up" the numbering at the bottom. The Wiki macro will keep up with it for us.Student7 02:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've reformatted the first [5] and [12]. I think you can see how to do this. Not all of your footnote will be included. You can add text footnotes, as well, but those have their own distinct format. It would be show up as a third footnote in that first sentence. The substitute for the old first [5] can now be copies and replace the remaining [5]s. Same with the remaining [12]s.

Get back to me if you have any questions.Student7 21:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need bracketed items in Wikipedia as footnotes. For example, just delete [32] for John Andre.Student7 21:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Student7, despite your guidance and attempts to explain citations to me, I do not understand it. I will let those more capable than me fix my citations, if they so desire. Please use the Discussion page to respond and not the Edit summary (used to briefly describe changes) sectionArmycaptain 16:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Today I took a battlefield tour of Germantown. I visited the Chew House and was given a tour and reviewed maps of the battle. I also drove through Germantown reviewing the battlespace; distances, troop positions, terrain, obstacles, etc. I did this to confirm the various accounts of the battle of Germantown that I have referenced in this article and utilize the most reliable and accurate. Armycaptain 01:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

On November 27th and December 2nd 2006, I visited Staten Island to confirm the information about the Staten Island battles that I have referenced in this article.

August 22, 1777 battle research:

New Blazing Star Ferry: At Carteret, I found the ruins of the New Blazing Star ferry landing. This is located on Roosevelt Ave. at a bend in the road. I then went to Travis, NY where I confirmed that the Staten Island-side of the landing is, in fact, at the end of Victory Boulevard.

The Old Blazing Star landing/ferry: was located about a mile south of the New Blazing Star ferry. In vicinity of the end of Port Carteret Drive just below Passaic Ave. In between these two ferry landings on Staten Island is the Fresk Kills landfill. American flags can be seen at this landfill noting where debris from September 11th is located.

January 14-15, 1780 battle research:

Tompkinsville - St. George: I then went to Tompkinsville to study where the British encampments were. The actual redoubts were located just to the north in the town of St. George. I drove north along Richmond Terrace and then north along St. Marks to Fort Hill Circle. This circle is good high ground that may have provided the British a good observation point to monitor both the Upper Newark Bay to the east and the sluiceway to the north connecting the Upper Newark Bay to the Newark Bay. Tompkinsville is where the main British forces landed in 1776 to quell the rebels.

I then went to Elizabethpoint to find the spot where the Americans crossed over on ice to Staten Island. This was easy, as the City of Elizabeth has a nice park there with American flags dedicated to veterans at the end of Elizabeth Avenue. A bar - restaurant is located here that serves barbeque ribs. It appears to match the location of a tavern on this spot in old revolutionary war-era maps Armycaptain 02:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

July 6, 2007: Visited Yorktown Battlefield for the first time. Met my cousin William Stevenson, for the first time, there, too. We both were very excited about the visit becuase his 3rd Greand-Father (same as my 4th Great Grandfather) was Sergeant Colin McLachlan. Sgt. McLachlan stormed Redoubt No. 9 on the Night of October 14th 1781 in the climatic battle of the American Revolution as a member of Hazen's Regiment. Armycaptain, 11:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I will just add some random information that may help your research Here is my article on clément gosselin life : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Cl%C3%A9ment_Gosselin Since I live in Montréal I have access to all stuff related to the regiment in Québec so if you have any question I will try to answer them... I have tons of information on Edward Antill and his quebecker wife Charlotte, I'll just type all the name I can remember now...Louis Marney Jr and Sr Pierre Ayotte, Laurent-Bruno Trombly, Alexandre Feriol, Germain Dionne (father in Law of Clément) Louis is older brother, Thomas Sauvage, Jean-Baptiste Hamelin, I have access to very good book on the subject and in Quebec we have 3 people who did a survey Baby, Tasherau, Williams (pro-British) who counted all the quebecker who help the american in Québec so we have all their name... I have picture of the regiment coat and hat with...of Edward Antill and maybe Livingston of the 1st regiment(not 100 % sure it's him) Many other Quebecker helped Washington army like admiral Louis-Philippe de Vaudreuil who was also friend of Ben Franklin...I'm writting a book about them...(365 pages so far...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Philippe_de_Vaudreuil I have picture of Louis-Philippe and all his cousin who all helped the american including a very close friend of Beaumarchais in Paris...see the link: http://www.batguano.com/catno14.html Quebec was successfully defended from Phipps in 1690 by Philippe de Vaudreuil their grand-father... —The preceding

Should the armed frigate ship 'Symetry' be 'Symmetry'?Randomblue 15:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. The name of the ship is Symetry, just as I found this information while doing my research. ArmyCaptain~

Brandywine Creek and Brandywine River are re-directs to a general Brandywine disambiguation page.

Brandywine Creek (Christina River) is the proper link to refer to the stream (and surrounding area) flowing from Chester County, Pennsylvania downstream to New Castle County, Delaware. There are well over 25 Brandywine streams in the U.S., another 7 in Canada, and more elsewhere.

Streams are disambiguated by their (downstream_parent), see WikiProject Rivers for more information. LeheckaG (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IP 71.255.102.150 put this into the article:

Magicpiano deleted the citation on October 20, 2008 for some reason. Here is the link again foir someone who knows how to do this: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.morris/4304/mb.ashx

The article is not a place for an editorial discussion. That's what talk pages are for.

So, on to this source. I removed it because the link is to a discussion board, which is not a

So tell me how your image aligns with relevant Wikipedia policies (especially

This review is

transcluded from Talk:2nd Canadian Regiment/GA1

. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cam ^(Chat)(Prof) 00:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a few minor issues that need improvement

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   The prose is generally good, though could benefit from a light copyedit before FAC

   B.

   lists

   :

   For months/dates directly after one another, you don't need to repeat the year. If you've just mentioned July 1776 you don't need to write the next one as August 1776, simply as "August"

   Done. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A.

   References to sources

   :

   One issues with the "references" section. Websites generally shouldn't be used in that section (unless it's online books), but cited directly as footnotes. Also, I think some of them (like "Military Campaign") should likely be external links as well.

   I've moved the unused refs to external links. Magic♪piano 23:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Could the "strength" and "casualties" sections be merged and put in a form that isn't simply a list/bullet-point style? Failing that, a combined list could also work for either.

   I've converted these to tables. Magic♪piano 23:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

   B. Focused:

   I think there's some instances where stuff that's under independent headers should be incorporated into the larger sections. The ones that stand out: Winter 1782-83 with the previous section, Winter 1778-79 with previous section, Winter Quarters 1777-78 with previous section

   This should be better now. Magic♪piano 17:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4. Is it
   neutral
   ?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have

   fair use rationales

   :

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with

   suitable captions

   :

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   fix the few issues above and I'll be more than happy to pass it.

I would like to point out (having worked to improve the text of this article more than its sourcing), that a number of the sources currently used are not all that reliable. A link to a historical marker description? What makes revwar75.com reliable (or rootsweb)? Citing the BBC for the Battle of Brandywine?

Another point that is perhaps less visible than it ought to be is the assertion at CONGRESSOWN.jpg that the flag at the head of this article may not be a proper representation of the regimental standard. This assertion was added by an anonymous IP, but I have no sourcing to either confirm or deny the flag's accuracy. Magic♪piano 20:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the flag image down, and tempered its authenticity. Magic♪piano 17:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. The Structure and MoS stuff have been fixed. That said, the sourcing issues brought up by Magicpiano (thank-you btw. I haven't done one of these in a fair while, and the review structure still baffles me and causes me to miss stuff. ACRs are much easier!) have yet to be fixed. Fix those and I'll be happy to pass. Cam ^(Chat)(Prof) 03:37, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I'll fix the cite tags and replace the bad refs hopefully soon. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 01:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to cite most of them, and hid anything remaining that I could not. All that's left to do is fix any sources that aren't good. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 18:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Everything is finally fixed. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 21:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Notwithstanding Wizardman's statement, I think everything is closer to fixed now, and probably worth Climie's look now. Magic♪piano 23:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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