Talk:Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G

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Moved as proposed. There is support, and no clear opposition, for the proposal; sources indicate that "super-G" is not necessarily capitalized, and some instances of capitalization are merely examples of the individual author capitalizing everything. bd2412 T 21:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G

– It appears to me that "super-G" is not a proper noun. The article on it – which I (to my knowledge) haven't edited – does not capitalize the "super" part, unless at the beginning of a sentence. I have no problem with the capital G, as it is an abbreviation (in fact I think it should be kept), so these pages should in my view be moved to the proposed targets. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC) --HandsomeFella (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I'm just adding the first I find with Google and that have at least some editorial text. I'm arranging them by case usage. My comment at this stage would be that if it's written in lower-case to a certain extent, it would indicate that it is not a proper noun, and upper-case usage can be attributed to various forms of title case. From these examples (only the first page of search results), it appears that lower-case would indeed be the correct usage.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lower-case

• skiing.about.com: What is Alpine Ski Racing? – Uses "super G" with lower case (and without the hyphen). Also mentions "super combined" with lower-case.
• sports.yahoo.com: Mayhem at women's super-G course: Seven of first eight skiers fail to finish; U.S. doesn't medal – Consistent usage of lower-case, except in a caption (in which "Women's" is also initcapped).
• bleacherreport.com: Bode Miller, Andrew Weibrecht Rescue US Alpine Skiing with Super-G Medals – Consistent lower-case usage, except in headings/links.
• www.businessinsider.com: Women's Super-G Ski Course Is A 'Disaster' As 18 Racers Don't Finish – Consistent lower-case usage, except in headline.
• www.usatoday.com: Emotional Bode Miller makes history with super-G medal – Consistent lower-case usage, even in heading.
• espn.go.com: Bode Miller ties for super-G bronze – Consistent lower-case usage, except in caption and tag.
• www.ctvnews.ca: Canada's Jan Hudec overcomes injury to win bronze in men's super-G – Consistent lower-case usage.
• www.reuters.com: Alpine skiing: Austrian coach sets super-G course, Austrians win medals – Lower-case usage, except for one occurrence of "Super G" (without hyphen) in a caption.
• www.nydailynews.com: Winter Olympics: Andrew Weibrecht shocks ski world and wins silver medal while Bode Miller takes bronze in men’s super G race – Lower-case usage without hyphen dominates (4x), one occurrence of lower-case with hyphen, one all-caps in a link.
• www.nytimes.com: Always Room at the Inn for Another Medal – Lower-case usage, except in a graphic illustration.
• www.denverpost.com: American skiers miss podium at women's Olympic super-G – Lower-case usage, except in captions, where title case is applied.
• www.bbc.com: Sochi 2014: Norway's Kjetil Jansrud wins super-G gold – Consistent lower-case usage.
• globalnews.ca: Jan Hudec wins bronze medal for Canada in men’s alpine super-G – Consistently using "super-G".
• www.cbsnews.com: USA's Bode Miller and Andrew Weibrecht win medals in Olympic super-G – Consistent lower-case usage.

Upper-case

• www.bloomberg.com: Men’s Super-G Ski Race Rescheduled as Sochi Games Deal With Heat – Upper-case usage.
• www.wisegeek.com: What is Super G? – Consistent upper-case usage (without hyphen).
• www.skiclub.co.uk: Guide to Sochi: Alpine Skiing Super G – Consistent upper-case usage (without hyphen).
• www.theglobeandmail.com: Jan Hudec wins super-G bronze, ending Canada's alpine drought – Mostly "Super G", upper-case, without hyphen, except in headline, where it's "super-G".
• www.thestar.com: Sochi 2014: Jan Hudec wins bronze in Super-G, ending Canada’s alpine drought – Only two occurrences are "Super-G".
• www.kansascitystar: Weibrecht takes silver, Miller shares bronze in Super-G – Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• Stuff.co.nz: Kiwi rookie Corey Peters fired up for Super-G – Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• miamiherald.com: Bode Miller wins bronze in Super G as Andrew Weibrecht stuns with silver - uses "Super G" without the hyphen, but the "S" is still in upper-case
• cnn.com: 5 highlights from Saturday at the Sochi Olympics - Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• telegraph.co.uk: Jade Etherington takes historic silver at Sochi 2014 Paralympics - Only occurrences in the text are "Super-G".

Undeterminable

• www.olympic.org: Alpine Skiing – No direct editorial text; lists events as bullet points. All bullet points except "Alpine combined" are lower-case, not even initcapped.
• chicagotribune.com: Fenninger wins gold medal in super-G; U.S. skiers falter - Headline is in title case, with "super-G" in lower case, but all instances of "Super-G" in the body text are in upper case.
• heraldnet.com Miller earns U.S.-record sixth Olympic medal, a bronze in the Super-G - Headline and instance in the 5th paragraph is upper case, but the 15th paragraph is lower case.

Comments

• Support, per nom. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, The FIS has it capitalized in bios of athletes [1]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Reply: poor example. In the link given, "Super G" is a stand-alone entry in a table. In many or even most such cases, words are initcapped. Also, if you look at the drop-down lists there, "Cross-Country", "Ski Jumping", "Nordic Combined", "Alpine Skiing" and "Freestyle Skiing" are capitalized. Further down you'll find "Speed Skiing", "Grass Skiing", "Anti-Doping" and "Press Releases". It does not mean that we have it that way here. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Can we have actual evidence from
  WP:COMMONNAME spelling, not based on how the super-G article is currently written? The current version is inconsistent: it does have "Super" capitalized in most instances of the lead, but not in the body? Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Reply: I didn't think it would be necessary, since it's no more a proper noun than slalom, giant slalom or downhill, but I'll see what I can do. I can see now that an IP recently added prose with several miscapitalizations on related words. Before that contribution, i.e. when I posted this RM, "super" had it 24–2 over "Super" in that version of the article (not counting beginnings of sentences). In the current version, it's 24–5. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  I added a few more sources to the list above that use the upper-case "S", and a couple in which usage was undeterminable/mixed. As Wikipedia:Search engine test will tell you, it's also quality as well as quantity we should be looking at. When you have other news sources like the ones I added using the upper-case "S", I'm not convinced there is significant usage to one or the other. And it is hard to tell how many of these news publishers are merely copying-and-pasting re-publishing the same Associated Press, Reuters, or another news agency's articles -- which would inflate search engine results. Thus, it falls back to retaining the article's existing name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  Did you actually look for sources using "Super-G" capitalized, or did you perform a neutral search? I performed neutral searches, and ended up with the 14–5–1 numbers (lower/upper/mixed). You have added 0–5–2, which is why I ask if your search was neutral. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, per nom.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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