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Removed gold edition from table

Yesterday, I removed the gold edition Mario from the table as it is merely an alternate version of the Super Mario series Mario amiibo. The only difference between the two is one is gold and one isn't. A footnote is sufficient to document the former's existence. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, the Gold Edition has unique functionality in Mario Party 10: http://mynintendonews.com/2015/03/21/sounds-like-there-is-a-special-perk-for-using-gold-mario-amiibo-in-mario-party-10/ If someone can confirm this, it might be a good idea to readd it to the table.178.4.9.149 (talk) 18:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
All other games will only see it as regular mario, so probably nothing special on the table, only have to use an existing note and write about Gold Mario's additional functionality with MP10. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 10:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, by adding notes about Gold Mario's additional functionaily in MP10, it may be violating
WP:GAMECRUFT. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 05:52, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply
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It gives you a gold mario in Super Mario Maker 216.167.233.14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yarn Yoshi citations?

The Japanese amiibo page (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/amiibo/lineup/) indicates that the Yarn Yoshis will act like the plastic Yoshis for other games, but I see no citations to indicate the plastic Yoshis will work for Wooly World. Can anyone produce one? Thanks! Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. According to Nintendo of Europe, only Yarn Yoshi will be compatible with Yoshi's Woolly World, while other Yoshis won't.
Yarn: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/amiibo/Figures/Green-Yarn-Yoshi-980847.html
Smash: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/amiibo/Figures/Yoshi-932510.html
Super Mario: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/amiibo/Figures/Yoshi-951727.html
I've removed the normal Yoshi from the series specific table for now.178.4.9.149 (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I also noticed that they didn't confirm compatibility with One Piece on the Japanese site: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/amiibo/lineup/yaaa/index.html So I wonder if we should change it to not compatible on the table. Maybe it's because the Yarn Yoshi has a different NFC ID than regular Yoshi and the game doesn't recognize him as being Yoshi without an update (if true, maybe the Nintendo developed games like Smash, MP10 and Mario Kart already have the Yarn ID implemented, either since the beginning or via update)? Or they simply forgot to add it on all three Yarn Yoshi pages... Then again, the Japanese site doesn't even list compatibility with Yoshi's Woolly World yet, unlike the European one.88.69.118.238 (talk) 00:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wave 6 is not a thing!

The table wave numbering is North America-centric, which is a problem for various reasons including neutrality issues. NOA decided to release this wave with a one month gap in between the 5A and 5B, but hat does not make them separate waves. They are being released drastically earlier and closer together in other regions, and thus this table should just refer to them all as Wave 5 [1] [2]. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are we supposed to list the characters that aren't yet confirmed?

Someone have added many Animal Crossing characters in the second table with images in the source and another one added notes about them not yet confirmed. Isn't that

WP:CRYSTAL? Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 21:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply
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I'm all for removing them as long as these characters haven't been shown in card form or have been otherwise confirmed to receive Amiibo cards. I just didn't want to start an editing war by removing them and someone else constantly adding them back.88.69.118.238 (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

the images where off on West/JAP nintendo direct that somebody print-screen it and uploaded on the site, you may remove it if the source not good enough User: Aozz101x (talk) edited: somebody did not look good enough the tom nook one is confirmed File:Tomnookcardimag.jpeg

Nice find, I'd be fine with Tom Nook one and others that was seen in Amiibo card form. Who took screenshots of gameplay? And how do they relate to having characters on the table? Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 22:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, I missed that one. That card wasn't shown by Mr. Shibata in the EU direct, so I didn't think about what might have been shown by Iwata in the JP direct. Would it be a good idea to remove the other characters from the table and add a note about them appearing in the trailer shown in the Nintendo Direct, although not in card form?88.69.118.238 (talk) 22:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's odd to add a note about them featuring in the Nintendo Direct while having nothing to do with Amiibo in general. This article is for Amiibo. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 23:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
According to Mr. Shibata, the point of this new Animal Crossing game is to scan an Amiibo card to decorate a character's room and then scan other cards to invite these characters to that room. So it is likely that the characters shown in the trailer will receive cards at some point, just not confirmed. By mentioning them in the note we could point out that these shown characters are likely to receive Amiibo cards in the future.88.69.118.238 (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation, I couldn't listen what they were saying in the Nintendo Direct because I'm deaf actually. I giuess it's fine to make notes about the possibility of them having Amiibo cards in the future, and explain how did you know they will have one. I'm not sure if this will violate
WP:CRYSTAL still. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 23:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Sorry to hear that. I couldn't find the European one with Shibata, but this video taken from the American direct with Bill Trinen has automatically generated subtitles that you can turn on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVlTsS8Iu9E Of course they are not perfect, but I think you will be able to understand what he says most of the time.
One problem I have is that we don't know what content the game has without using cards. Maybe there are other possibilities to decorate and invite animals than scanning cards that we don't know about and thus maybe not every animal in the trailer will receive a card in the end. But it might be better to wait for more opinions before changing everything.88.69.118.238 (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I also don't understand why we're listing Mewtwo and Lucas as future amiibo. I haven't heard this, and there isn't a source that I can see. Sure, they're DLC fighters but then we haven't heard they are releasing amiibo for DLC fighters. If you think listing them is fine, surely we should list other fighters without an amiibo like Game and Watch, ROB or Duck Hunt Duo. They're more likely to release them, actually, even though we haven't heard anything which confirms it.Baker1000 (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Iwata confirmed them in the latest Nintendo Direct presentation (EU version): "Rest assured, we'll also be releasing amiibo of Mewtwo and Lucas sometime in the future." http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/Latest-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html (@ 6:45).88.69.118.238 (talk) 21:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Well then, that should be on the article as a source. Baker1000 (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mention or section about the supplies?

I think there should be some mention, be it in the release section or its own new one (reception?) about the quick sells, rarity and short supplies. Many news pieces and editorials from both gaming and non-gaming press seem to lead with this in any article about amiibos currently. Frankly Man (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There should be, but it should focus on the SSB stock issues. A good chunk of the SSB series amiibo have faced serious stock issues; however, the SM series (minus Gold Mario) don't really have supply issues (Toad is hard to find, but it is not permanently out stock), and we do not know how the Yarn Yoshis or Splatoon figures will play out. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 18:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Separate table for games with universal (read only) Amiibo support

I would like to move games like Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, amiibo tap: Nintendo's Greatest Bits and Girls Mode 3: Kira Kira Code which have read only support for every Amiibo figure to a smaller, separate table. The main table is already cluttered (imo) and removing those games would make space for potential future titles with assorted support.88.69.118.238 (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just made the change. Please let me know if you're not happy with it.88.69.118.238 (talk) 22:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Addition and Re-edited of Wave 5 & 6

Hello. I am just wondering about if you guys would edit this page to add that some of the amiibo figurines, which some are in Wave 5 and some of them are Wave 6. Not all of them are Wave 5. And as well as editing to say that Wave 5 is expected to arrive in July and Wave 6 in September. Nintendo of Europe announced release dates for them as well. Dark Pit and Palutena from Wave 5, and Gandondorf and Zero Suit Samus from Wave 6 will be released in Europe on June 26th. The rest of Wave 6-- Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario and Olimar-- will be released on July 17th.

Thanks in advance!

Zacharyalejandro (talk) 04:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zacharyalejandro, there is no Wave 6. There is a Wave 5, which is divided into 5A and 5B (with the contents of each varying between regions). As this article (and the rest of Wikipedia) is bound to keep a neutral point of view. We cannot favor the wave groupings of one region vs. another, so we need to just call them all Wave 5 even though they span a long range of time. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 00:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Functionality?

The introduction says that Amiibos are similar in functionality to skylanders or Disney infinity figurines. However, except the fact that they can store data, there are no similarities. Skylanders figurines unlock the corresponding character in-game, that the player controls directly as the game's main character. Disney infinity figurines behave in the same way.

Amiibos have no in-game functionality per-se. They cannot be used as characters or controlled in any way. In Smash Bros. the character they represent are available to play with/against, whether you own the figurine or not, and the items they can collect can be obtained by the player without the use of an Amiibo as well. In Mario kart, their sole use is to unlock a costume for Mii characters, which has no impact on gameplay.

I feel comparing them is misleading. 198.103.167.20 (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's a real-life toy that interacts with video games. Precisely how that's used depends on the game, but that basic functionality is more or less the same. Wonchop (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Falco is Wave 5

I am trying to parse out how Wave 5 works, so we are using a definition that is globally consistent to avoid violating WP:NPOV (i.e., an amiibo is part of the same wave number all around the world, but not necessarily the same wave sub-letter).

  • In Japan/Europe,
    • 5A is Dark Pit, Ganondorf, Palutena, and ZSS - released in June
    • 5B is Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario, and Olimar - released in July
    • 5C is Duck Hunt, the three Miis, G&W, and R.O.B. - released in September
  • In North America,
    • 5A is Dark Pita nd Palutena - released in July
    • 5B is Bowser Jr., Dr. Mario, Olimar, Duck Hunt, the three Miis, G&W, and R.O.B. - released in September

All we know about Falco anywhere is that he is coming during the Holiday season. Most of Wave 4 was announced in January, and then Jigglypuff and Greninja were tacked on in April [3][4]. It seem pretty clear the Falco is in this ball too, and we can't call everything Wave 5. Per WP:BOLD, I am marking Falco as Wave 6. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 03:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Chicken008, please stop edit-warring on this issue. If you have a dissenting opinion, please voice it. The fact of the matter is that nowhere on the planet is Falco being released at the same time as something we refer to as SSB Wave 5, thus it does not compute to call it Wave 5. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any other frequent editors to this page (e.g., arbitrarily copied from the 100 edits in the history: Rukario-sama, ViperSnake151, Hope(N Forever), Wonchop, Arkhandar, Smuckola, Deathawk, Ost316 (sorry if I missed anyone)) have opinions on the matter? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why does the wave need to be listed at all at this time? Shouldn't we wait until a reliable source names the wave? What's wrong with "TBD" like the other entries? From the breakdown above, it sound like waves are becoming less encyclopedic, especially since the article doesn't do much to explain what a wave is or how they vary across regions. Sorting the table by series and wave also hides that waves span months and can overlap other releases; it might be better for the table to include release dates for each region, rather than waves. —Ost (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • The deal is reliable sources use the wave nomenclature, and amiibo do not have hard release dates like most other Nintendo products. I remember Waves 2 and 3 did not street dates, so vendors sold non-preordered stock right as they arrived. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Is lack of official street dates a huge problem? Sources should show when the first stock arrived (at least approximately); that's the release date. Also, it's not a problem if reliable sources use the wave nomenclature; that doesn't necessitate that we must use it, especially unexplained. But, if we're being so dogged about using what sources say, then we should not make one up for Falco. I'm going to point this discussion out to
          WP:VG; I'm really only a casual editor to this page. —Ost (talk) 19:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply
          ]
It's better to label Falco amiibo as "Wave TBD" (like what Ost said, why not.) as we aren't sure which wave number to label him as. And for the release dates in the table, I've already talked about it in the past (in this talk page) and I've already said that it isn't good idea (the table height will explode when adding the release dates from other regions). I don't think the readers will mind if they couldn't sort the table back to exactly what it was before. But if they HAD to, just reload the page in their browser...
There were release dates in the table in earlier version of the article, but were replaced with the wave number for the another reason I've said earlier. The release dates in the table were having issues with other regions. I'm sure you already know that adding the release dates from other regions into the table would be bad idea. That's where I came up with, replacing them with wave numbers. The "Release" section in the article can append the release dates from various regions to a wave number pretty well. The multiple characters in the table have similar release dates, so append them with wave numbers made sense.
In the early edit, the wave numbers were originated from http://www.reddit.com/r/amiibo/wiki/rarity. Interestingly though, no mention of Falco in there. In the history page I've noticed him removed from the table presumably because they couldn't be able to determine the wave number for him. I've also noticed that lately there are different wave number for some characters than here. More specifically, there are six fighters belonging to Wave 6. I am aware that we shouldn't take information from another wiki sites as a reliable source, but what's the better solution?
Anyway, let's label Falco as "Wave TBD" for the time being. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 20:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't "know that adding the release dates from other regions into the table would be bad idea"; we do this for video games and it seems prudent for
WP:COMPREHENSIVEness
. The only problem I foresee is table size.
More importantly, we shouldn't be using reddit as a source, especially when Thegreyanomaly says that reliable sources use the terminology. If there are reliable sources for wave definitions, they need to be cited in the article; any Amiibo grouped into a wave should have corresponding reliable sources to support that classification. The "better solution" to using reddit is to ignore the wave information if reliable information isn't too be found; that seems prefered to making up information or repeating made-up information. —Ost (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the Reddit page as well as the SSBWiki amiibo page (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Amiibo) wave notation. The problem with Reddit is that it is claiming in North America Wave 5B and 6 release at the same time to avoid calling it Wave 6 in Japan/Europe. The problem with SSBWiki notation is North America-centric and following their waves here would violate Wikipedia's NPOV standard. For waves 1-4, just searching IGN or Kotaku or other sources you can find the definition of waves easily. For example, IGN first described Wave 4 in January and then Jigglypuff/Greninja were tacked on in April (and the beginning of Wave 5 was defined at the same time) [5][6][7].

  • In terms of Reliable Sources regarding the amiibo announced Sunday: On my Google news searches, I cannot find anything calling the amiibo announced on Sunday as "Wave 6". However, just looking at the release dates, since the amiibo announced Sunday for September are (in North America) contemporary with what has already been called Wave 5, they should be called Wave 5 as well. In regards to Falco, who is currently on his own, I agree that Wave TBD is the most logical solution for now. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ost, it's already

WP:COMPREHENSIVE
considering the "Release" section in the article. Replacing the waves with the release dates in the table will feel massively duplicated because characters got similar release dates.

I realized that "wave" is most likely originated from unreliable sources, and the reliable ones just happen to use that definition, and yet it still doesn't feel encyclopedic. If we go ahead to a chaotic solution, by replacing them with the release dates to the table while complete disregarding its height size, then the term "wave" can go. But wait, come to think of it, does the release dates for every Amiibo, matter? I thought, if we only use the earliest release dates for each Amiibo series (in "Release" section) and then drop the wave nomenclature once for all, it is another chaotic solution but will do well for Wikipedia. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 12:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

About the comprehensiveness, I just meant that it couldn't be centered around one region; I didn't explain that well, but thegreyanomaly mentions it above. I understand that a number of release dates would overlap, but the release section could discuss them or the table could contain footnotes or symbols for the dates to take up less space. That being said, I was suggesting the release dates because it was what was being approximated by the waves; I'm ok with the way it is now if there's consensus that those details aren't notable, and it will probably keep the size of the article in check. —Ost (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed Rukario-sama already revamped the table, but I was going to suggest that we keep the waves in and then we have a separate table outlining the release dates for all series/waves in the four major regions. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 15:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Skylanders

The Skylanders cross over figures work with more than just the Wii U version, which seems to come with Donkey Kong and his vehicle. The Wii version and the 3DS version both come with Bowser. No idea if either can be bought by themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.108.199 (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Mario amiibo will be a target exclusive at launch only! Bowser Jr. is a Toys R Us exclusive!

Dr. Mario will be a Target exclusive for a limited time only! http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/aTkh7avfSbKaitAxdGQAen_mmE8vDspA and Bowser Jr. is a Toys R Us exclusive! http://www.ign.com/wikis/nintendo-amiibo-figurines/Amiibo_Rarity_Guide — Preceding

talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
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If you look at the amiibo lineup page on nintendo.com, you'll notice that every exclusive amiibo has the disclaimer "at launch" on their individual sites, so I doubt that Dr. Mario is special in that regard. How reliable is that IGN list and who maintains that? If it's done by their users, then it isn't anymore reliable than Wikipedia itself and they do not list sources for the exclusives. 88.68.179.202 (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Nintendo Everything has now published news about Bowser Jr. being Toys R Us exclusive in Canada. We'll likely hear about the US situation soon. Anyways, thanks for bringing this to our attention. 88.68.179.202 (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Split

I think that the Amiibo#List of Amiibo-branded NFC items section has gotten pretty large. At this point the list seems to be the main focus of the article, which it really shouldn't be. I'm proposing it be split off into a separate list article so that this article can focus on the development and reception of Amiibo. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. It isn't imminently necessary per
WP:TOOBIG, but it's certainly heading that way, so may as well sooner or later... Sergecross73 msg me 14:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Anyone who use
WP:TOOBIG. I'd say come back when the page size is at ~100kB. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 01:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
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I agree that it should be split. Not because of file size or whatever (although I can definitely see it going that way), but because the lists take up a lot of the article, to the point where they, like The1337Gamer says, become the main focus.--
talk 02:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
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I wouldn't split them just yet. We're just about halfway to the 100kb, so there's a lot of room for site growth, still. If you think the lists take all the attention away from the main written article, then why not hide them? This way they wouldn't immediately draw the readers' attention to them, just because of their big size. 88.68.179.202 (talk) 07:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here's what my earlier suggestion could look like: http://i.imgur.com/W0fenKd.jpg 88.68.179.202 (talk) 15:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose split. It was my understanding that the list of items was always the main focus of the article. It hasn't become, it was. The hide tab on the table would probably be a good idea though. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 14:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really don't care either way if we merge, so its not so much that, but I'm confused by your rationale. If the list is the main focus, why would we collapse it? Sergecross73 msg me 15:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hiding support was in response to the arguments that the page is too long; however, after thinking it through I no longer support the hiding option. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I do feel that a List of Amiibo figures or something along those lines would be appropriate, and actually came here to suggest it myself after this article being mentioned on the Wikiproject's talk page. Notability shouldn't be an issue, looking at the huge amount of news articles covering new waves and releases. It might not be incredibly huge, but I do feel it takes up so much space the scope of the article comes into question: this is currently both an article and a list. ~Mable (chat) 17:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further discussion

  • Welp, it looks like someone opted out of the discussion altogether and went ahead and made it anyways.... Sergecross73 msg me 12:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • And now that's leading to edit warring. Please discuss how to handle the split further. I'll contact the IP on their talk page, and ping ViperSnake151 and Aozz101x here. Please explain your stance. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, I'll try to make this as clear as possible. First, ViperSnake151 splits the article without joining the discussion and consensus being reached. And now, after moving all of the characters and other tables to the other article, they want to have the "Games with series specific Amiibo support", which is a character specifc support table, and "Games with universal Amiibo support (read only)" on this article as well. They state that "support is crucial" and to that I responded that supported games are already listed in their own, dedicated section and that character specific support is not needed here (anymore), because there's no character list to go along with it. What sense does it make to have only a fraction of the amiibo compatibility here and all of that plus the rest on the other article? E.g. how are readers supposed to know compatible Amiibo for Smash, Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker etc. from reading this article? And as an aside, a lot of ref junk that was leftover from the split and is producing cite errors, which I've therefore removed two times already, is being re-added constantly by the above two users. 88.68.179.202 (talk) 17:51, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm inclined to agree. First, there was no consensus to split yet, and two, I don't understand why we'd keep some of the list charts still on the page when we've got a dedicated "list of" article. Any insight, ViperSnake151? Sergecross73 msg me 18:07, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I actually retract the request for the character table to be included in the main page, as it has been declared redundant. There is also such thing as "being bold". ViperSnake151  Talk  18:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologies earlier on revert, i thought the IP did something wrong, and so that why i undid what the IP user was doing, User: Aozz101x (talk)

As there was no consensus for the split, I undid the split. This behavior is unacceptable on Wikipedia. There was no consensus. You can't split a page without consensus. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Technically, I believe there's a guideline somewhere that says don't redirect pages during AFD. Once it closes, I could. (Unless consensus goes the other way, of course.) Alternatively, if you rescinded the nomination, it would speed things up. But keeping it open could make for a better consensus. Its your call. Sergecross73 msg me 23:42, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support the split. Pages should fill a single purpose, per simple and effective design philosophy. We already make separate pages for lists of TV episodes. Why change policy for Amiibo? — Asgardiator Iä! Iä! 21:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the page were split, most of the content would be lost from this page. The section on "Collectibility and supply issues" would logically have to go to the list article as it specifically references individual amiibo/waves. We would have a list and a stubstart. That would be irresponsible. There is not enough content here to merit such a split. There is no logical rationale behind supporting the split. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What you just wrote is load of rubbish. You should read Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment. This revision with the list removed is not even close to a stub: [8]. The article would retain C class if reassessed with the list removed. --The1337gamer (talk) 22:58, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I should have said start instead of stub then. That revision includes "Collectibility and supply issues", which would be more fitting on the list page (if the page were to be split). Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The "Collectibility and supply issues" section is fine on this article. It falls under the scope of "Amiibo" so does not warrant removing. It also would not be fitting on the list page. The list article should be focussed on actually listing the amiibo rather than including lengthy prose explaining tangential topics. --The1337gamer (talk) 23:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not true, if the page were split, this page would have to be about the concept of amiibo, not individual amiibo. That section pertains to specific amiibo, not all amiibo (i.e., some amiibo are extremely easy to find). Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, this revision: [9] is completely fine as is. The list isn't necessary to understand the "Collectibility and supply issues" section. It is okay to refer to specific amiibo on noteworthy topics. The list content isn't needed or really pertinent to understand the rest of the article. --The1337gamer (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. It makes no sense to reference rare amiibo if the page does not cover what amiibo are out there. Anyways, I am not responding again until someone else chimes in (a back and forth is pointless) Thegreyanomaly (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence in question is as follows:

The rarity of certain Amiibo influenced the prices...

This sentence is comprehensible on its own. Replace "Amiibo" with something like "

precious gems" or "subvarieties of postage stamps" if you like; the core idea is simple enough. The main page does not need to detail individual Amiibo. If there are no further objections, I propose a formal vote on the split. — Asgardiator Iä! Iä! 00:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Well,
consensus though. Sergecross73 msg me 00:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Aha, so it is. Well, let's wait a day or two and see if any more contentions arise. As it stands, opinion seems to lean toward split. — Asgardiator Iä! Iä! 00:55, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus ≠ Majority. A mere lean (i.e., what we have right now) in either direction would translate to "no consensus," which means the status quo prevails. To get a consensus for a split, you would need fairly clear case for support. From the positions made thus far it seems:
  • Supporters: The1337gamer, IDV, Mable, ViperSnake151, Asgardiator
  • Detractor: Rukario-sama, 88.68.179.202, Thegreyanomaly
  • Unknown position: Sergecross73, Aozz101x
Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Several days have passed, and no one has come here. If the split supporters really want the split, they should open an RfC. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of amiibo?

I know that there are only extremely limited situations where it's appropriate to start the title of an article with a lowercase letter - Apple products being the best example - so having "Amiibo" as the article title is fine. But given that Nintendo's official stance is that "amiibo" is not capitalized, shouldn't it be written that way throughout the body of the article? 45.47.234.119 (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Its currently written this way to adhere to
MOS:TM, specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks#Trademarks_that_begin_with_a_lowercase_letter Sergecross73 msg me 19:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
Ah. Sorry, I was under the impression that the standard applied to the article title, not the body of the article. Thanks for explaining. (Whether I think that actually makes sense is a separate issue. If I make a piece of art and title it in all lowercase or leetspeak or whatever nontraditional format I choose, then I expect people to refer to it as such. Anything else is simply not its title.) 45.47.234.119 (talk) 00:20, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
People other than encyclopedias, yes. — Smuckola(talk) 04:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you mean, but Wikipedia usually operates under
KoЯn) and no crazy stylings (Kesha, not "Kes$ha"). Sergecross73 msg me 14:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Schizophrenic article

The article starts out by stating that "amiibo" is a wireless communications protocol, but then says absolutely nothing about the protocol, but instead discusses toys that use the technology. — QuicksilverT @ 18:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, amiibo are little toy figures that communicate/interact wirelessly to
3DS currently). I'm not completely familiar with the tech concepts side of it, but that's what they are, so feel free to reword it accordingly if "wireless communications protocol" isn't the correct term. Sergecross73 msg me 20:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

WP:CATALOG
violations?

Shouldn't the

WP:CATALOG, and be removed because of it? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

In what way does it violates
WP:CATALOG? Funny that you said it's a "clear violation" while you're not being clear to us. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 01:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
Because it was clearly cataloging the existence of every single amiibo? It seems to have been cleaned up since then, though. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for semi-protection

Even though people have been told and it's clearly written in the comments on the page, people keep violating

MOS:TM and uncapitalising every occurrence of Amiibo in the article. They think this particular item deserves special treatment on Wikipedia. I think some level of protection may be needed to stop this from repeatedly happening. Avengah (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

I think it just comes with the territory with such a strange stylization, especially considering it doesn't start with "e" or "i" like most notable exceptions. ("esports, iPad, etc.) I don't think protection is a good idea, considering some of the article's most active content creators are editing as IP addresses. I can't remember what the guideline was exactly, but somewhere I read that, in situations like this, its helpful to just reword sentences so that the subject doesn't start sentences, considering the most likely time to wrongfully capitalize would be out of habit for starting a new sentence. So, for example:
  • Current - amiibo can be used directly with the Wii U GamePad and New Nintendo 3DS series.
  • Suggested - Nintendo designed amiibo to be used directly with the Wii U GamePad and New Nintendo 3DS series.
Between rewordings like that, and the use of pronouns or other substitute words, this can cut down on a lot of the issues. Sergecross73 msg me 18:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even that's wrong according to Wikipedia rules. It should be Amiibo in the article body, with one single mention at the start that it's stylised as "amiibo". Here's the relevant part from the Manual of Style:

Trademarks that officially begin with a lowercase letter raise several problems because they break the normal capitalization rules of English that trademarks, as proper names, are written with initial capital letters wherever they occur in a sentence.

Conventionally, articles usually give the normal English spelling in the

lead
, followed by a note such as "(stylized as ...)" with the stylized version, then revert to using normal English for the remainder of the article.

(Copied and pasted from the page source.) Thanks. Avengah (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I also wanted to draw your attention to this IP user who lied in his edit summary, insinuating that
MOS:TM agrees with him replacing every single occurrence with a lowercase letter. Pasted from the revision history: 18:47, 9 March 2016‎ 134.88.62.140 (talk)‎ . . (90,090 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Undid revision by Avengah - as per MOS:TM, amiibo in the article text should be converted to lower case.) Avengah (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
Apologies, I forgot that the requirement for what I was saying is having a second letter that is capitalized. I guess that kind of illustrates my first point though. Its such a weird, rare naming convention, and we're dealing with relatively obscure MOS guidelines (that even I, an experience editor, didn't recall correctly). I think the issue is going to keep recurring regardless of protection. You're free to request it at
WP:RPP, but I don't think your chances are very good. I mean, I'm usually pretty liberal with granting protection to articles, and I'm turning it down, so I don't know what kind of chance you'd have there... Sergecross73 msg me 19:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply
]
OK, no problem. I already did that but I also mentioned it here for completeness. Anyway, it's fine. I've drawn the admins' attention to the problem so it's up to you guys now! Thanks. Avengah (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's happening again, so I've sent a standard template (uw-mos1) to the user 76.119.224.157 and I've fixed the page again. Avengah (talk) 00:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This time, I agree. It's gotten bad enough to warrant protection. Protected for a week. Sergecross73 msg me 00:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Our friend is trying to get his way by stealth now, after having been warned twice. He removed the comment at the start reminding people not to use a lower case a for Amiibo. [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avengah (talk • contribs) 00:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Noted variations meaning.

I'm sort of confused by what you guys mean as 'noted variations' in the Amiibo list. Could anyone elaborate me on that. I took a quick count on it and it seems like that's the noted number of amiibo in a series, such as the 'Super Smash Bros.' line of amiibo. Is that what I'm looking at? Cause the number of amiibo series there is is exactly 14 if I'm not mistaken. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many amiibo have notes on them stating that a given amiibo has multiple variations. For example, Isabelle has two different outfits, 'Super Mario' Mario comes in plain and gold and silver, R.O.B. comes in two color schemes, and the Skylanders amiibo have dark versions. All of these have notes indicating that a given amiibo from a given series has multiple colorations. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stylization line is appropriate in the first line

Does anyone have any actual valid reason why the first line should not read

?

PapiDimmi got scolded for including a stylization for the game Hitman, so now he was removing the stylization from this page. Does anyone have a valid reason to remove the stylization? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 21:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I removed it was that people told me that mentioning the official capitalization of Hitman (as well as Doom) was incorrect, although mentioning it in the Watch Dogs article is A-OK. I added (stylized as HITMAN) to the Hitman (2016 video game) article, but it was already there in Doom (2016 video game) and Watch Dogs. I am a bit confused. Personally, I think that this is information that’s worth mentioning, but some other editors apparently think otherwise, and they also like to insult me in addition to just explaining the issue.
So, I don’t know what Wikipedia’s rules are on this. If anyone can help me get rid of this confusion, that’d be helpful.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 21:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable secondary sources (e.g., IGN, GameSpot, Polygon, Kotaku, etc.) generally don't refer to those games as HITMAN or DOOM. They use Hitman or Doom. This is not the case with amiibo. Google "IGN amiibo" or "Polygon amiibo", you will notice that these sources at least generally always write it lower-cased. It is based on what reliable sources use, and some reliable sources consistently write amiibo lower-cased (as Nintendo does) Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
IGN capitalizes “amiibo,” and [http://www.gamespot.com/gallery/25-super-rare-nintendo-amiibo-figures/2900-138/ so does GameSpot. “Amiibo” is also capitalized by Kotaku. It seems to me like all the “reliable sources” you mentioned don’t capitalize “amiibo.”
“HITMAN” and “DOOM” are capitalized by the developers/publishers; the names are capitalized on game covers, in every single store (including digital ones, like Steam), and so on. I think I’d call the developers of the game a reliable source.
By the way, I do not understand why it’s worth mentioning that Watch Dogs is capitalized (and spelled with an underscore instead of a space), but it’s not worth mentioning that Hitman or Doom are.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 07:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@PapiDimmi:, game covers and advertisements are not secondary sources!

Also, you are not looking properly. Avoid looking at IGN wikis, Wikipedia can't cite other wikis

Polygon

There you go, several sources using amiibo in its stylized form. I can't help you regarding Watch Dogs. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All right, then. I think that it is worth mentioning how the title of the game is stylized in the respective games’ Wikipedia articles anyway, but that’s none of my business.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 21:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Figures and Cards not toys.

Okay, this article calls them toys, like in the exclusive Amiibo section. But they are more like

talk) 20:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

You’re right; I’ve changed it.
―PapíDimmi (talk | contribs) 13:03, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But what does it DO?

I came to this page knowing next to nothing about Amiibo except that it exists and somehow involves collecting items from one game to use in another. And having read the intro and skimmed the rest of the article I'm none the wiser. There's a lot of great info on how it was developed, preceding systems and early versions, the technology it uses and how it's been received but nothing about what it actually does. Is it purely cosmetic (making your character in one game look like a character from another)? Does it add mini-games or other functions? Is it a game in it's own right?. Danikat (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Danikat: I agree, as typical for a lot of articles on game-related subjects, the article goes into great detail regarding its history and reception, without clearly explaining what it even is. To put it simply, Amiibo is basically Nintendo's version of DLC, but instead of just downloading it off the eShop or whatever, they are bought and used by using collectable figurines that are able to be scanned into the game using an NFC reader (the 3DS XL, Wii U, and Switch have this built into their systems). A unique feature about them, however, is that a single Amiibo can be used across different games for varying effects. Amiibos themselves are not a game, not like Skylanders or Disney Infinity, so they are mostly used for cosmetic and unlockable gameplay elements within games that support them. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Updating the chart

The chart says what Amiibos are compatible with Smash 4 (Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / Nintendo 3DS) Should we update the chart for Ultimate or wait until Ultimate is released? Felicia (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have they been officially confirmed to work with the game, or are these just assumptions? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It has been said that all previous Amiibos in the Smash line and from other series with the characters in the game are confirmed per Nintendo, not sure about Wolf Link and Detective Picachu. And while we are at it we should add Ridley, Inkling (Smash Bros.), Daisy (Smash Bros.) to the chart. The Smash Daisy Amiibo is confirmed, but with an unknown release date as of now. To clarify when I said from other series with the characters in the game doesn't mean universal support, I mean that the characters in Ultimate in other lines of Amiibos, the Mario series Daisy Amiibo is confirmed to work, same with the Inklings in their respective line. Felicia (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Separating list of amiibo figures and cards that compatible with games into new article pages

Can we make new pages for Amiibo figures and cards that compatible with games because this Amiibo articles is too long to see? TheBlackKnights1100 (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"amiibo" is never spelt with a capital letter

It has been officially confirmed by Nintendo in the past that the word "amiibo" is never spelt in capital letters and doesn't have a plural word,[1] yet this article consistently spells the word incorrectly. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC) SuperWikiBrother (talk) 12:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The stylisation and plural form are both acknowledged in the opening paragraph. I found two instances of the improper pluralisation, which I promptly fixed, but regarding capitalisation please see the invisible comment at the top of the article as well as Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#Trademarks that begin with a lowercase letter. Not much we can do sadly. Sincerely, the awesome[citation needed] IceKey8297. 13:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Nintendo of America on Twitter: "A10: The plural of #amiibo is #amiibo, whether you have one or 12, or 18, or... #amiiboQuestions -BL" / Twitter. Retrieved 27 December 2022.

Article too long

It should be in retractable sections or whatever they’re called. 2600:6C5E:647F:65DA:3C0A:5BDE:84F7:DD96 (talk) 05:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amiibo toy?

Should the amiibo be refered to as the "amiibo toy" like it is in the article? I assume that's what most sources refer to it as. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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