Talk:Amritasiddhi

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A fact from Amritasiddhi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 October 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the Amṛtasiddhi (folio pictured), translated as 'the attainment of immortality', is an early text about what later became haṭha yoga? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Amritasiddhi.

What he actually writes in the mentioned article, right at the beginning, is: "A number of Indian religious traditions have passed to Tibet that cannot be comfortably classified as either Buddhist or non-Buddhist. Such traditions challenge assumptions about the variety of religious complexes that passed from the Indic plains to the Tibetan highlands, and about what can be defined as “Buddhist” in Tibet. The teachings known as Am.rtasiddhi, or the Attainment of Immortality, are one instance of this."

Later (at the end of the first page of the article) he adds: "Avadhu ̄tacandra’s work is part of a hybrid tradition of yogic theory and practice. It shares its vocabulary primarily with the ha.thayoga teachings of the N ̄atha Siddhas, and yet it is presented in its Tibetan manifestation as a teaching of Buddhist origins. The work thus embodies the shared traditions of praxis and teaching that occurred between these two groups, and as such can provide a focal point for developing a history of Buddhist-N ̄atha interaction in India" (unsigned comment added by User:Vliperdius at 19:47 on 15 May 2021)

The claim was added by User:Dandin006, citing not the first page of that article but pp517-523, i.e. starting on the third page. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But also later in his article Schaeffer only states that the compiler of the Amritasiddhi was probably initated in the Nath order, never that his sectarian affiliation was Saiva. The Nath order was predominantly Saiva, but not exclusively so - many Nath Siddhas were revered both by Buddhists and Kaula-Saivas and there were probably also Vaishnava, Jain and later even Muslim members, see for example "The Alchemical Body: Siddha Traditions in Medieval India" by David Gordon White. Schaffer explicitely states at the end of his article on page 525 that the goal to become a second Siva and Buddhist faith was not a contradiction among this mulieu: "Thus for Pad ma ‘od zer and other readers of Avadhu ̄tacandra’s work, to be a Buddhist was, among other things (and perhaps only in the context of this practice in particular), to strive to be S ́iva, lord of yogins." But today there is a l tendency by some to counterfactually claim that the Nath Order as exlusively Hindu, often motivated by a Hindu nationalist agenda. Be that as it be, I didn't find a quote throughout Schaeffers article that justify the claim he sees the Amritasiddhi as a Shaiva text. Vliperdius (talk) 08:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then you'd best rewrite the claim. Schaeffer clearly has something important to say about the text, and readers should hear an accurate report of what that claim is. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your encouragement, I did so. Vliperdius (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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One folio of a medieval copy of the Amṛtasiddhi

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  haṭha yoga
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  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Ashton-Cirillo

Created by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by LordPeterII (talk) at 11:43, 18 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: Whoops, this incorrectly states the article was created, when instead it passed GA review. –LordPeterII (talk) 11:52, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting text, GA on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF. The hook is acceptable, but I'd like a hint at how old. The image is licensed but doesn't show much in stamp size. Some (pictured) needs to be in the hook for the connection (unless you give up on the image idea). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII and Gerda Arendt: Szántó's "Brief Introduction to the Amrtasiddhi" appears to be hosted on WordPress; was it reputably published as a scholarly work? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: You are referring to this source? It doesn't seem like it stems from a journal, but it's hosted on a site that seems related to the University of London: http://hyp.soas.ac.uk/ To quote from their description, "The Haṭha Yoga Project (HYP) is a five-year (2015-2020) research project funded by the European Research Council and based at SOAS, University of London [...]" and it lists James Mallinson (author) as the project lead. Maybe not peer-reviewed, but I think it's of sufficient quality for our purposes. –LordPeterII (talk) 08:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am promoting this. Removing the end of the URL reveals a reliable source. SL93 (talk) 16:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]