Talk:Apple TV app

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I am going to try to make a section for all the apps that are included on this page to expand it. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:4C67:276E:19E3:C6D2 (talk) 01:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, so moving back to TV (software). What a mess. The

WP:BRD. And the discussion below is not a coherent discussion, it seems to be three separate discussions, all with their own support/oppose votes. As there is clearly no overwhelming consensus in favour of any of the proposed titles, and the original title is supported by some, this discussion is a no consensus and we go back to the original name. If anyone wants to propose a move to a new title from that basepoint, and can get consensus around any particular one, then please go ahead and file a new RM.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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TV (software)" in order to avoid confusion with the Apple TV. JE98 (talk) 12:44, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
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This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

"TV (software)"

"TV (Apple software)"

"TV (app)'

"Apple TV (software)"

Discussion

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    WP:RECORDS, we have at least three articles with over 500 entries. I am also going to revert your edit on the disambiguation page too. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:47, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Alternate suggestion: Move to
     (talk)  22:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Requested move 6 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 04:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TV (software) → Apple TV (software) – Per my comments in the previous discussion, which I will copy here - "As much as we want to disassociate this application with Apple TV, this is, after all, the feature application in tvOS. The application has been named by Apple in official marketing as explicitly 'Apple TV'; the only time it is ever officially named simply 'TV', is on the home screens of iOS, where names are abridged to fit the screen. Here's the page for the application from Apple's official United States, Canadian, and Australian websites, being referred to multiple times as 'Apple TV'. Here's what the application looks like in the iOS App Store, with it being named 'Apple TV'." Per JE98's reccomendation, it'd be best if we don't split the discussion into multiple proposals at the same time, and go one by one. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 16:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Survey
Also, you admins and your flawed interpretation of
WP:CIVIL is the reason behind the Wikipedia community's decline: You let harassers push someone over the edge, and when that person snaps and says something not nice, you block him/her, thus injury to injury. Even law changes a murder verdict into manslaughter when there is provocation. You blind admins don't. —FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 13:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@FleetCommand: How does a request for a better discussion, that’s more clearer and less messier than the one that occurred above, equate to ‘harassment’, exactly? What’s wrong with wanting there to be a consensus on something? I compel you to reply without accusing anybody of anything, or personally attacking anybody, by the way. This my second experience with you where you’ve personally attacked me with no explicit provocation, and turned an innocuous discussion into a heated one without provocation. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 13:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I support this move, or a merge with Apple TV or tvOS and/or iOS. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – If it's titled "Apple TV (software)", that would just cause too much confusion. The official name for this app is "TV". Let it stay as is, your own personal pet peeves shouldn't have an effect on the title of a Wikipedia article. JE98 (talk) 16:09, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • @JE98: Not sure why you and fellow users insist it's a "pet peeve", when I've cited the "Apple TV" name. Do you have a source for it being officially called simply "TV" on Apple's websites and related materials? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 16:37, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not the product's name.   JaJaWa |hello  17:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move. At this point, I just want the article to be at something that isn't ambiguous.
     (talk)  01:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support. I am overturning my "oppose" verdict, although not because it was wrong. On principle, I oppose all
    color of the bike shed sort of changes. However, FleetCommand above described this renomination as "insanity" because it is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." Administrator Amakuru, of course, chastised him, but I am clearly seeing that the same outcome is happening again! So, the question that we grown up editors must ask ourself is: Are we insane? If not, then we must steer the discussion away from the "no consensus" outcome. Let's support it, move the page once and for all, and go about doing important things. An explicit consensus here forever stymies any other attempt in change-for-the-sake-of-change. For sanity, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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  • No consensus is not an oppose, only oppose is that. The original nomination was not a no consensus just because of an equal amount on both sides but because their was three separate discussions. Doing the separate discussions individually is not an infraction. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:27, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am crazy, but not insane?
Yes, it makes sense to me. More than you think. There was a certain incident in which I submitted a page for rename and the action was decided controversial. I prevented its escalation, but naming no names, there was a person who was no satisfied. Months later, he entered a dispute with you over the same issue, only you orchestrated a full discussion, in which the overwhelming consensus was not what said person wanted.
I learned something then and there: An explicit consensus isn't a rope that ties your hand; it is a rope the partitions off a part of a museum to everyone. People try to skip over it are caught by the security. But without that rope, what would you do? Amakuru has already said "no infractions" and you know well that no other admin would say anything else because admins actively avoid disagreeing. Say "yes" to sanity, FleetCommand. It would benefit all.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Codename Lisa above. But on the condition that there be no more rename requests unless the name was changed D.R.A.M.A.T.I.C.A.L.L.Y on Apple's end. I just hope that Codename Lisa's faith is vindicated. I am doing this despite an editor having contested PhilipTerryGraham's claim on the name of the app being "Apple TV": The name appears as "TV" on the iPhone tile, and there has been a long-standing consensus that prefixing the company name to the app name in the article title, for the sake of natural disambiguation, is appropriate. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 12:40, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@FleetCommand: I explicitly stated in my original nomination that the iOS home screen is the only place where the name is truncated to “TV”. All applications have their names truncated to fit on the home screen if their names are too long. Examples include “Facebook Messenger” → “Messenger”, “Enlight Photofox” → “Enlight”, and “Google Play Music” → “Play Music”. In addition, I also cited in my original paragraph the listing on the App Store, which has it listed as "Apple TV". – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 18:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I said "Support", please leave me alone. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 12:16, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I also changed my mind. I looked at the App Store and it refers to the app as "Apple TV". JE98 (talk) 22:11, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support . "Apple TV (software)" seems like a nice name for the article — makes it sound less like it's going to be an article about software for watching television in general, which the current title does (to me, at least). —{{u|
    T/C|☮️|John15:12|🍂 23:09, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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Discussion
MfortyoneA has been blocked on sockpuppetry. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Emir of Wikipedia: Alrighty then, thanks for letting us know! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 15:01, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why are we going with software over application or app? An app is a piece of software but not all pieces of software are apps. For example, the Apple tvOS is a piece of software, but it is not a piece of application. It really needs to include the word app for it to be disambiguated. A quick google search shows that's how many news (and even Apple disambiguates). My nomination is "TV (Apple app)" or "Apple TV app" or Apple TV (application) in order of personal preference. I'm not sure what warrants having the full word "application" in the title, because that doesn't follow
    WP:NATURAL WikIan -(talk) 22:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@WikIan: You do bring up a good point. I only went with "software" because it was the word used to disambiguate several similar pages. I assumed there was a consensus for "software" to be the disambiguation over "app" or "application". Although, there had been a lot of bickering on various talk pages of these iOS app pages concerning what word to disambiguate with. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 06:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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consensus through being status quo in favor of it. Moreover, WikIan's disregard for it took him to ANI, where he received an administrator's warning, and a cease and desist order to stop all non-collegial actions, complemented with a threat of one month block if he fails to comply. (The funny thing is that he actually went there to complain.) —Codename Lisa (talk) 07:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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WP:OSE can contradict each other. The line's a bit blurry between what can be considered okay to copy and conform and what isn't, me thinks. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 07:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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@PhilipTerryGraham: These two links lead to things that are not of the same nature.
  1. Consensus through editing
    is a week form of consensus built on the premise that an editor has made an edit with a reason in the edit summary and the edit gained acceptance. It is overridden by strong consensus forms such as consensus through discussion and policy.
  2. "Other stuff exists"
    is an argument made after it is pointed out that a certain edit is in violation of a policy, guideline or explicit talk page consensus, all of which are strong consensus forms. The object of this argument is to annoy the disputing party.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 07:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding ANI, I did not receive a warn on my article renaming, and I not even over FC's comments. But rather if I post screenshots of vandalism. In any case, Mobile_app is-a piece of software but not vice versa. WikIan -(talk) 20:40, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Heh.
Still refusing to get the point, aren't you? Good. A block will knock you sober, just as Microsoft's upgrade to Outlook.com did. So, please, please, please keep up the denial. Actually, every time you go to bed, repeat: I ain't know nothing about no ANI warning. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 12:20, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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There you go again, still acting without
content. This is the last time I'm responding to you here, this conversation is about the naming of this article, go take this over to my talk page if you still don't why you were listed at ANI. WikIan -(talk) 21:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
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"TV app" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect TV app. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 22:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 01:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

precise
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References

  1. ^ "TV". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
  2. ^ "Apple TV app". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
  3. ^ "Site Map". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.

– Andibrema (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I also think as proposed this would provide a more helpful distinction from tvOS.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's a good natural disambiguation and should be preferred. Andrewa (talk) 19:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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