Talk:BMW 3 Series (E36)

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The image of the red E36 saloon shows a car in a bad condition. That cannot be a representative of how the E36 generally looks like. The photo of the white coupe shows a much cleaner car without any reflections and stuff. If anyone disagrees, there has to be a concrete reason for that. I don't want an edit war to happen. U¹ _quattro TALK 15:01, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've only changed the image because Vauxford was the photographer and you obviously have issues with him, Please present UK-based images of the vehicle and we can all decide together and collectively. –Davey2010^Talk 15:09, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Davey2010 Vauxford isn't the reason why I changed the image. The condition of the car is. Also you're being biased that only a UK-based image should be added on the infobox. I strongly disagree with that. An image of a clean E36 taken anywhere in the world works fine. An example is the image I chose. The car in that image is clean and the background is better.U¹ _quattro TALK 16:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At the time I thought it should be replaced with a UK car but agreed not all replacements are done per the last image location, Given we all came to an agreement over the image above IMHO this shouldn't be changed and imho it doesn't need changing .–Davey2010^Talk 16:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IMO it should be changed when a way better image is out there.U¹ _quattro TALK 16:52, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  Option 1
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  Option 2
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  Option 3
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  Option 4

The only other best images are these, The AUS one isn't a four door one and imho we shouldn't replace 2/3- door with 4 door and vice versa, –Davey2010^Talk 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Davey. I agree with U1Quattro that the red photo should be replaced due to its poor condition; the summary you made of the previous discussion "Given we all came to an agreement over the image above" is very... ahem... fanciful.

  Why are you proposing we discriminate images based on their country and number of doors? Regarding the latter, both the sedans and coupes are common body styles, therefore both are representative of the series as a whole IMHO. Cheers,

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BMW E90 articles. Both images are Australian and are perfect. Your criterion is self made and biased.U¹ _quattro [[User talk: |TALK]] 04:04, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply

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I sort of agree the vehicle could be in better condition, I've included a few images as a way to resolve this, It may seem OTT but I really don't see a need to replace a 2 door with a 4 door I genuinely don't –Davey2010^Talk 08:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why we should care, as long as the variant was somewhat common (not the compact or M3) we should pick the best photo. Also, I would not call OSX's photos perfect, they have some unwanted reflections and brake dust, they are very good but perfect is probably not possible to achieve, outside of a studio with a new car and $20,000-$200,000 worth of equipment. Toasted Meter (talk) 09:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking at the lineup and I must say that Vauxford's black 316i is definitely the one I would choose of them, as annoying as the crunchy rocker panel is. There are no undamaged E36s in Metro New York, or I would have photos to add...  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

U1Quattro, Toasted Meter and Mr.choppers - Could you all look through Commons and pick 2 or 3 images (2 or 4 door) images that you think are the best and I'll start an RFC tomorrow or Sunday as we all have different views as to which we consider the best one so it only seems fair to get consensus on the best one,

My 3 would be those above (1,2 and 4) - Red one's okay but condition-wise yeah not the greatest.

Anyway thanks all, –Davey2010^Talk 13:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(If anyone tomorrow or Sunday changes their mind on an image, either edit User:Davey2010/BMW or change it here and then ping me so I can change it over there, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 15:19, 20 September 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Mine would be these:

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  Option 5
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  Option 6
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  Option 7
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  Option 8

U¹ _quattro TALK 14:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. I hope it is ok that I've numbered the images added so far, it's just to make them easier to refer to. My vote is option 4, 6 or 7. PS Davey, why do you keep ignoring me? Cheers,

I added the red one as #8. Faves: 1, 8, 2, 5. But really it's just that I like the focal length favored by Vauxford; it helps show the whole car with less distortions than all the "wide and high" shots. Personally, I don't think it worth all this time discussing until there is a clearly better photo added, which really shouldn't be hard. My problem is that I simply don't notice E36s as my brain registers them as "already available on Wikipedia."  Mr.choppers | ✎  01:04, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just posted photos of clean E36s which Vauxford wasn't able to find when he was taking photos of them as that is unfortunate on his part. I think we shouldn't really have rusty cars with faded paint as the lead image which is the problem this red E36 saloon has.U¹ _quattro TALK 06:02, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

1292simon

, Sorry I missed your post, Inregards to country "At the time I thought it should be replaced with a UK car but agreed not all replacements are done per the last image location", Inregards to doors I thought this mattered (and I still think it does) however I'd rather give everyone inside of this discussion and outside that choice,

Also

1292simon

- You're both more than welcome to pick any other images they don't need to be those listed above :),

I'll start the RFC tomorrow as wanted to let TM have their say too, Many thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 12:13, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Davey2010: - I spent a lot of time trawling the Commons (you can see that I organized a few pics that were in the wrong place), but couldn't find anything better.

@U1Quattro: - To me it is important that the car is unmodified, at a good angle, well lit, with an uncluttered and preferably contrasting background. Obviously it is nicer if the car is undented and clean, but it is pretty far down on my list. If the car is too shiny, the reflections can make it hard to tell the shape of the car. So slightly faded paint isn't the end of the world; this is not a BMW showroom nor a fansite.  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ah sorry, I just didn't want you thinking you had to choose from the above only that was all, Many thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 12:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.choppers the images I chose show all feature, clean and unmodified E36s with a good angle and less reflections. The images Davey2010 chose have all distracting backgrounds/reflections and bad condition cars except image number 4. So it is not that hard to find such E36s which contradicts your statement. You just go to be at the right place at the right time.U¹ _quattro TALK 12:49, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Number 6 is a weird angle in my opinion (all bonnet), number 7 is the convertible and not the best illustration for the main box, and number 5 is on my list. It's just a bit gloomy and the old PowerShot used by IFCAR doesn't make for the most amazing quality when compared to newer cameras. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if it's a convertible. As long as its a clean and unmodified E36, it will be a contender for the lead image as the E36 convertible was produced by BMW and was not an aftermarket conversion. Bauer convertible is an exception.U¹ _quattro TALK 04:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]