Talk:Black-chinned sparrow

Black-chinned sparrow has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: May 4, 2021. (Reviewed version).

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The result was: promoted by Mx. Granger (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Singing male black-chinned sparrow

• ... that the song of the black-chinned sparrow (pictured) is said to resemble the sound of a dropped ping pong ball? Source: "Song is often likened to a dropped ping-pong ball: an accelerating series of notes, not as clear-toned as Field Sparrow." eBird

• Reviewed: Littledale's whistling rat

5x expanded by MeegsC (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

• starting review--Kevmin § 13:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Article expansion new enough and long enough. Hook fact cited and verified to ebird, with article fully cited and off line sources taken AGF. No policy issues identified, no copyvio detected. nomination looks good to go.--Kevmin § 14:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 18:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• Just having that one ref in the lead is odd, could easily be moved into the main body.

  That comes from the DYK requirement that the common name be referenced on its first appearance. Shall I remove it? MeegsC (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, as long as the name is referenced in the main body, it doesn't need to be in the article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Okay – moved that ref down into the taxonomy section.

• "small parties" I like it, but groups would seem more appropriate?

  Changed to groups.

• "other Spizella species" shouldn't the fact that it itself is a member of the spizella species be noted earlier?

  The scientific name is Spizella atrogularis, which is right at the beginning. Should I explain that more directly?

  I don't see why not. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Added genus to first sentence.

• You link egg but not rufous or nestling. I would do it the other way round.

  Unlinked egg. Changed "rufous" to "reddish-brown" and wikilinked "nestling".

• "huge range" huge seems odd to me, perhaps vast?

  Changed to very large.

• Arizona black-chinned sparrow
  etc should be created as plausible redirects to this article. Done
• "7.75 in (19.7 cm)" this is very precise, all black-chinned sparrows have identical (to the nearest 1/100th of an inch!) wingspans?

  removed the convert templates and converted to fractions to reduce precision in measurements; modified some other convert templates to a single significant figure

• "notched tail.[4][17] The tail is proportionately" merge, i.e. "notched tail which is proportionately"  Done
• "Recently fledglings may" that's a dab page.

  Fixed: linked to

  fledgling (birds)

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• What's a scapular?

  Linked.

• "It has two song types.[19] The song" song or songs?

  I removed the comment about two song types. The only article I found this info in didn't explain it further.

• ping pong -> table tennis.

  Not sure about this one. It's an American bird, and the Americans call it ping-pong.

  Really?? Even in things like the Olympics? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Undoubtedly in the Olympics it's called "table tennis". To be honest, I never saw an Olympic-level table tennis match until I moved to the UK. It never made the US coverage. Maybe that's changed now. But certainly it's more widely known (among those who aren't club/Olympic/professional players anyway) as ping pong.

• Where are the synonyms in the infobox referenced? They're not mentioned in the article.

  D'oh! Added ref.

• "and Utah, [21] and" no space before ref.  Done
• "in edge habitat" what is "edge habitat"?

  I've wikilinked it. Is that enough, or should I explain it here instead?

• "Chihuahuan Desert " capital D.  Done
• "Brewer's or chipping sparrows" that's overlinked. Is there a separate article for Brewer's sparrows?

  Removed second link to chipping sparrow. Brewer's is already linked higher up too.

• " it is an inconspicuous species" vs "males pick conspicuous, exposed perches" hard to align the two.

  I'm not sure how to change the wording here. Generally, it's very inconspicuous: it usually stays in deep cover. However, hormones are a wonderful thing, and during the breeding season, the males sit right up on top of bushes to sing. It's about the only time it's easy to see them!

  I guess it's just worth emphasising that the male's conspicuous behaviour is as a result of mating season? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  How does it look now?

• get->obtain.  Done
• "declined at a rate " presumably this was an average rate.

  The source article says The 56 BBS routes in the United States which encounter this species produce a statistically significant trend for the 1966-2003 period of -5.1% population change per year. Though they don't specifically say "average", I'll add it to our article, on the basis that they looked over a range of years.

• Ref 6: pp.  Done
• Ref 39: p?  Done
• ISBNs should be consistently formatted.

  Updated the single 10-digit ISBN.

That's it for a first pass, so on hold for now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review The Rambling Man. I think I've addressed your concerns, except (perhaps) for "ping pong". MeegsC (talk) 13:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Couple of replies. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man - better? MeegsC (talk) 13:38, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MeegsC nice work, I enjoyed reading the article and I'm happy to promote now my nitpicks have been addressed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review The Rambling Man, and for helping to make the article a better one! MeegsC (talk) 09:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]