Talk:Bob Benge

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I've now cited the specific pages from Moore, so that should be sufficient. Evans and Moore echo each other and contain the same information. I've attempted to cite references in the prescribed manner, correctly, and gotten red letter error messages at the bottom of the article, so that will have to suffice. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 17:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evans and Moore confused the identies of Robert (Bob) Benge and Martin Benge with their half uncles Captain Benge and the Tail. Bob and Martin were white men with Cherokee wives Jennie and Eizabeth Lowrey (whose stepfather was John Benge, the son of Capt. Bench)[Starr, p. 367]. Cherokee John Benge had sons by a different wife named Robert and Martin, hence the confusion. I suggested this in the article, but did not make it explicit. The Chickmauga warrior should be known as Captain Bench or Benge, not Bob Benge. (Oconostota (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Proof? Sources? Everything I've ever read dealing with the period identify Bob Benge and "Captain Bench" as the same person, and makes the same Martin Bench = The Tail ID. And Evans, as one of the founders of the Journal of Cherokee Studies, has much more credibility than your wishful thinking. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cherokee genealogy is complicated, especially when intermarriage happened with Europeans. Further complications occurred when these mixed-blood surnamed Cherokees had white relatives with the same surname who also married Cherokees. For example, a sister of Chief John Ross married an unrelated white man named John Golden Ross (who might have been a relative of the chief's white father from Scotland). In the case of trader John Benge, his white wife divorced him when she learned of the Cherokee wife at the trading post, and remarried a man named Evans [!?], and her son Obediah Martin Benge is listed as residing on the valuation (property) of his son Robert Benge, shown as a white man with a Cherokee wife in 1837 in Georgia near the Alabama line (Entry 224, records of the Bureau of Indian Affairs). Nearby was the home of Martin Benge, also listed as a white man with Cherokee wife. Captain Bench's Cherokee son was John Benge (conductor of the 4th Removal wagon train in 1838) who was the father of Cherokees named Robert and Martin Benge as well as stepfather of Jennie and and Eliza Lowrey (wives of white men Robert and Martin Benge, respectively) [Starr, p. 367]. Otherwise these half sisters married their half brothers! Evans was simply wrong. It is possible that warrior Bench was named Robert, but who knows now? (Oconostota)[[[Special:Contributions/207.245.188.8|207.245.188.8]] (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)][reply]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.188.8 (talk) 14:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised to see that Sequoyah was not listed as being half brother to Robert with Wurteh Watts as his mother. I thought that was well documented. Now I'll need to look into it. Interesting that John Benge and Runafter Mclemore named their kids Robert and Martin. However, there are many Roberts, Williams, and Johns in my family line. Perhaps John was naming them after his Grandfather's kids. My Uncle is named John. I am a Benge and Columbus Benge,3rd ggrandfather, is most likely the son of William, the son of the John Benge on the trail of tears. Columbus' wife, Annie Mole, was his cousin and also related to Bob Benge as part of the Moytoy family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philbange (talk • contribs) 08:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]