Talk:Breaking the Fourth Wall (WandaVision)

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I'm not sure the right poster is used here. Wanda and Vision's look on the poster is completely different from what they actual look on the episode. This poster seemed to belongs to next episode. The Gargoyle King (talk) 12:03, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As it is the next poster in the series they released in December 2020, and we have indeed gone to a new decade/sitcom era, there is nothing currently to suggest this isn't for this episode. It can be compared against the soundtrack cover art next Thursday to see if it is indeed not correct. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just got an email from Disney+ advertising the release of the new episode and it does use an animated version of this poster so I would be surprised if the soundtrack had a different cover. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Yeah, all of the elements on the poster outside the TV screen image fit this episode so it's plausible it's for this episode. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the Trailer 2 (at 1:12), there is a scene where Wanda and Vision are wearing the same clothes they are wearing in the poster (and they are next to a window too). Maybe, the poster was made to represent more than one episode (in addition to ep7). YgorD3 (talk) 12:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is also possible. But per

WP:NFCC guidelines, non-free files should in most cases only be used on one article. So since this is in theory representative of the first episode to present the "next decade" from the Halloween, it should be used here. However, as was stated above, the soundtrack cover art has been helpful to confirm posters. So if the soundtrack doesn't use this poster, we can definitely remove it from this article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

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We can also see if Marvel releases a new poster during the week similarly to what was done for episode 4 that might be more representative. I did just look at the trailer time stamp that YgorD3 stated and I see what they're talking about. Again, we don't really have clear indication either way because elements of the poster outside the image fit the decade esthetic of this episode. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FYI the Jimmy Woo poster released today as the same image on the TV as the decade poster. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The soundtrack uses this poster so it was indeed correct. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that Modern Family is the primary inspiration for Episode 7's format and aesthetic. However, I do not understand why this episode is listed as having a Mid-Late 2000s setting. The sitcom Modern Family aired it's first episode at the very end of the Late 2000s and continued to air episodes into the 2020s. The show was only on for three months of the Late 2000s but it was on for all ten years of the 2010s. Therefore, it doesn't really seem like this episode is representative of the 2000s. I know The Office was also listed as one of the references for this episode, but most source make it very clear that the primary inspiration is Modern family. Why does this article state that this episode has a Mid-Late 2000s setting? Why does it list Modern Family as a sitcom reference from the Mid-Late 2000s? 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:9524:8E18:CF4A:62A8 (talk) 00:07, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The setting of the episode is sourced, and does not need to line-up with the episode's influences. But even if it did, you yourself have pointed out that Modern Family began in the late 2000s which happens to be in the mid-to-late 2000s so... adamstom97 (talk) 00:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many sources (including the ones that I added) say that Episode 7 is set in the 2010s or inspired by the 2010s. Also, "Modern Family" was not on during any part of the Mid 2000s meaning that Modern Family is not a sitcom from the Mid-Late 2000s. Also, Modern Family had very little air time in the late 2000s. The show had 11 seasons in total and had less than half of one season in the Late 2000s. The show had more airtime in the 2020s than in the Late 2000s. Being that Modern Family had the vast majority of its airtime in the 2010s and very very little airtime in the late 2000s, it is inaccurate to call it a sitcom of the Late 2000s because it isn't representative of the period. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:9524:8E18:CF4A:62A8 (talk) 01:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As Adamstom said, The setting of the episode is sourced, and does not need to line-up with the episode's influences, the creators of the show consider it a 2000s episode even if the influences are also from the 2010s. By stating this episode is set in the 2000s, we're not saying anything close to Modern Family being exclusively a 2000s show, we're just talking about this episode of this TV show. The first episode is set in the 1950s even though its main influences are from the beginning of the 1960s. TV trends do not always line up perfectly with the decades, but this series' episodes are explicitly set each one in a specific decade, inside the sitcom that is. —El Millo (talk) 01:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You did not need to restate what adamstom97 has already stated. That's rude. I perfectly understood what they said and I responded to it. Restating what they said brought no benefit to this discussion. Now, If the creators specifically say that this episode is set in the 2000s, then I guess the other sources I included are just incorrect. This episode is definitely not a good representation of the 2000s but that's just my opinion. However, that still does not answer the primary question of this thread. If you are not saying that Modern Family is a Late 2000s show, than why does this article specifically reference Modern Family as a sitcom reference from the Mid-Late 2000s multiple times? 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:B442:1C47:E56D:705F (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes things need to be restated if they aren't getting across. We have both already explained that the episode's setting and influences are separate, and that Modern Family started in the mid-to-late 2000s. I'm not sure what else there is to say. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understood everything you said just fine, the first time you said it. If that wasn't clear from my response, then I will restate what I said so that you may understand it properly. I added two sources to this article that stated that this Episode of WandaVision was set in the 2010s. Not influenced by sitcoms of the 2010s, actually set in the 2010s. If those articles are incorrect or not valid, then that is fine. That ends that part of the confusion. However, you have not told me that those articles were inaccurate. You just removed them with no explanation. A separate issue is how Modern Family is listed in this article as a sitcom reference from the Mid-Late 2000s. As I have stated before, Modern Family did not air any episodes at all in the Mid 2000s. Therefore, it is not a sitcom of the Mid-Late 2000s. Also, Modern Family had very very little airtime in the Late 2000s relative to it's entire run. Modern Family is not representative of the Late 2000s period. It is inaccurate for the most part to say that Modern Family is a sitcom of the Late 2000s as it only aired for a very small part of the Late 2000s. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:B442:1C47:E56D:705F (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits are ignoring the other sources which do place it at mid-late 2000s, including word from the creators of the show. You can argue that we should mention it also has influences from shows of the 2010s, but that does not change the fact that this episode is still set in the mid-late 2000s. The Vulture source never states that the influences are from 2010s and not from the 2000s, and it definitely never says the episode is set in the 2010s. the Den of Geek source states: Though WandaVision and its sitcom homages are both now well into the 2010s. While it is technically correct that it homages series from the 2010s, they're not exclusively from the 2010s and, as we've already said, the influences are separate from when the episode is actually set in. If the creatives say it's set in the 2000s, then it's set in the 2000s. Now, I'll revert back your edit because, whereas you made a fair assessment that we should answer you,

WP:STATUSQUO still stands until the issue is resolved. —El Millo (talk) 18:44, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Thank You. That clears up the first part of my confusion. I will not try to change the setting again. However, the other thing that I don't understand is why the sitcom Modern Family is listed as being a sitcom from the Mid-Late 2000s? Modern Family is primarily a sitcom from the 2010s. It did not air any episdodes at all in the Mid 2000s or even most of the Late 2000s. It is inaccurate for the most part to say that Modern Family is a sitcom of the Late 2000s as it only aired for a very small part of the Late 2000s. Modern Family is not representative of the Late 2000s period. We have already discussed that the creators say that this episode is set in the 2000s. However, most of it's influences, such as Modern Family or Happy Endings are from the 2010s and not the 2000s. So my question is, why is the sitcom Modern Family listed as being from the Mid-Late 2000s?2601:5C4:4300:4A00:7C1B:5B21:F6A:1598 (talk) 18:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even though it isn't representative of the decade and most of it isn't part of it, it is technically and officially a 2009 show because it premiered in 2009. Given that Modern Family and The Office are also part of the 2010s, and that there's no next WandaVision episode that is actually set in the 2010s, I've included "and 2010s" both in the lead section before Modern Family is mentioned and in the body of the article. —El Millo (talk) 19:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You very much for addressing my concerns. I apologize for the inconveniences I have caused. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:7C1B:5B21:F6A:1598 (talk) 19:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the article. As has been made clear already the setting is not based on the influences, and Modern Family started in the late 2000s. Time to

If you would have properly contributed to this discussion instead of dismissing the issue, then you would know that we amended the page to explain that the setting is in the Late 2000s. That is clearly stated in the article. However, the influences are mainly from the 2010s which should also be stated. The setting is separate from the influences. They are not the same. Please stop edit warring. We have reached a conclusion that is reflected by the sources provided. The sources provided say that the episode is set in the 2000s and that the influences are primarily from the 2010s. That is why the article currently states that the episode is set in the 2000s but pays homage to sitocoms of the Mid-Late 2000s and 2010s. Like you said, the influences are separate from the setting. 2601:5C4:4300:4A00:7C1B:5B21:F6A:1598 (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]