Talk:Brett Anderson

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The result of the move request was: retain the current titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Brett Anderson → Brett Anderson (English musician)
• Brett Anderson (disambiguation) → Brett Anderson

– I don't see any reason that the English musician should be considered the

• Oppose. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be, he got 73% of the pageviews in 2018, and 82.8% of the pageviews in the past 90 days. The only real challenger is the baseball player, who struggles to get more than 30 hits a day with the exception of random spikes (which implies to me that, when he hangs it up, he's not very likely to challenge the Suede guy much). Nohomersryan (talk) 05:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. I can perhaps see how it's not obvious if you were to look at this as a baseball enthusiast, but I think by most standards the Suede frontman is a clear primary topic, i.e. usage, long term notability, etc. PC78 (talk) 08:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  PC78, how is that, exactly? What standards suggest evidence that he is the clear primary topic? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  The main criteria for

  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC are usage and long-term significance. The former is demonstrated by the fact he gets a significant majority of the page views, the latter as he has been active for longer than any of the other candidates and also in terms of his influence and success. But as I said, I do appreciate that this comparison between the singer and the baseball player depends largely on your interests, or for that matter which side of the Atlantic you're on. PC78 (talk) 04:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply

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  If I may, what exactly is your argument for there being no primary topic? Your rationale above is rather vague. PC78 (talk) 04:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support when you add in the female Brett Anderson's band The Donnas the male musician is only getting 30% of pageviews, of course and in the male musicians band and they all go down, but all the same there's eminent potential for confusion so a DAB would be best. No one here has any real long term encyclopaedic significance. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your second link shows Brett Anderson + Suede get about 75% of the total views. How is it fair, exactly, to count another Brett Anderson's band against him, while not including his own? (And by my count it's near 15% higher than just 30.) Nohomersryan (talk) 09:31, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see what comparing pageviews for Brett Anderson and The Donnas is meant to prove?? That's not a valid comparison. And comparing the English musician and his band with his American counterparts only demonstrates far greater interest in the former. I feel the Englishman has more enduring notability than you give him credit for. PC78 (talk) 17:49, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    Comparing pageviews won't help in this case. When I went looking for the page of the baseball player, I forgot that his page has a disambiguation, and so I found this page. That artificially inflated his page view count, and I'm sure that that happens when people are searching for a different Brett Anderson's. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Not so. If more people were arriving at Brett Anderson expecting to find someone else (as you seem to suggest) then you would expect to see that reflected in the page views, the results would be far less one-sided than what they actually are - you'd get far more views for the dab page, for example, which gets an average of just 104 views per month. PC78 (talk) 04:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• oppose Due to
  Alternative Songs. While the Donnas have one top 40 UK hit, Suede have had 19 UK top 40 singles along with three UK number one albums. For a singer of a UK indie band, who did not make it big in America compared to Elastica and Radiohead, Suede's Brett Anderson has considerable media coverage from newspapers.com link. Suede and Brett Anderson are also a massive band in Scandinavia, having two number one singles in Finland and Denmark. His popularity has grown in recent years due to the 2010 reformation of Suede, three subsequent well-received albums; one critically acclaimed biography. Search on Google, Coal Black Mornings, there's plenty of coverage. He has a second biography due out later this year and of course has a solo discography to his name. It would also be counterproductive to change his name because of the amount of articles which link to Brett Anderson link.Noelrock (talk) 18:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support per nomination and in ictu oculi. There are three other men listed at the disambiguation page where the musician's notability does not reach such overwhelming proportions that his primacy can be proclaimed as unquestioned and indisputable.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• oppose Due to interest. He has the most interest, so he doesn't need a job title. --Quiz shows 21:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per usage[1]. Surprising, but this musician from a group I never heard of is clearly the primary topic. --В²C ☎ 18:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. – bradv🍁 19:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per above. With the exception of random spikes for the baseball player, the musician is almost always the primary topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom, the other singer and baseball player are significant in their own right, and this musician isn't clear
  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by page views or historical significance.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose per Nohomersryan -- looking outside of the page view bump in the past month, the musician seems to be the primary. No prejudice against reconsidering my view though if the current numbers stay sustained.--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even from the sample that you posted, the English musician only has 65% of the total views, which shouldn't be enough to be considered a primary topic. Joeykai (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. The baseball player is trending upward recently, but with 60%+ of pageviews the musician is still "more likely than all the other topics combined" to be sought by readers, at least for now. Fewer than 1% of readers are clicking through to the dab page, indicating few readers are getting lost. Station1 (talk) 22:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nomination and Ortizesp. No indication that subject has such prominence that the female vocalist as well as the three team sports players (one of whom uses a single "t") are overwhelmed by his renown to the extent of their own notability fading into insignificance by comparison. Would likewise support Brett Anderson (disambiguation) → Brett Anderson. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:41, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support the "much more likely than any other" doesn't appear to be satisfied here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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