Talk:Buffy fish owl

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Attention, the wikilink bubo brings the voice of the swelling of the lymph nodes and not to the voice of the genre. --KrovatarGERO (talk) 09:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@BhagyaMani: in relation to your revert, the current modern assessment is that Ketupa is not a genus separate from Bubo. This is based on DNA analysis. As a result, several later sources call this owl (and other fish owls) Bubo ketupu, see: [1], [2], or [3]. Eostrix (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both BirdLife International in the 2016 Red List assessment AND authors in the Handbook of the Birds of the World recognise Ketupa ketupu as valid Latin name for the species, see https://www.hbw.com/species/buffy-fish-owl-ketupa-ketupu !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying Bubo ketupu and Ketupa ketupu are both valid - some sources have Bubo (e.g. ones I listed above), so have Ketupa, and some have both. Eostrix (talk) 14:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In taxonomy, only ONE name is valid, and other published names are synonyms. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In this particular case, Ketupa was previously the single valid accepted name. However, more recent DNA analysis shows that Ketupa is invalid, see: [4] - "species formerly placed in genus Ketupa", or [5]: "Until recently, fish owls were grouped under the genus Ketupa. However, recent DNA research has shown that for reasons of paraphyly it is better to include this genus together with Scotopelia and Nyctea in Bubo. Former Ketupa species, Brown Fish Owl, Tawny Fish Owl B flavipes and Buffy Fish Owl B ketupu cluster as close relatives of Asian Bubo species like Spot-bellied Eagle-Owl B nipalensis and Barred Eagle-Owl B sumatranu". Eostrix (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It often happens that people see what they want to see. The publication by Omote et al. (2013) clearly place Buffy Fish Owl in the Ketupa clade. Since the IUCN Red List assessors in 2016, i.e. 3 years later, kept on recognising this genus as the valid one for the species, we cannot state in this page that both genera are valid. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am sorry, but in this case we have some sources placing this bird in Bubo and others placing it in Ketupa. The correct thing is for us to reflect both. Eostrix (talk) 08:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]