Talk:Cabinet (government)

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In school they taught us that the name cabinet came from an early US president that had his advisors meet him in a pantry or some-such place, and they were called his "kitchen cabinet." Any truth to this, and if so, should it be mentioned? Jafafa Hots 06:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't the origin of "Cabinet," rather the existing term was borrowed to make the "kitchen cabinet" pun that describes unnofficial presidential advisors. see: Kitchen Cabinet. Ddye 21:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This story is tosh. The term originated as "cabinet counsel" in 1600s England, long before the US existed as a country, and referred to advice tendered to the Monarch (King or Queen of England) in private. The term "cabinet" here means a small room, an image which lends itself well to the concept of private advice (see Cabinet of the United Kingdom). When the US gained its independence, it borrowed heavily from both the British and French systems in establishing its politics and terminology. This is yet another example of US-centric revisionism, where all-American stories are substituted for the truth in order to bolster national pride. SteveMcQwark (talk) 04:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am having some problems categorising the danish cabinet. Since that part of the wiki isnt as talkative as here I was hoping for some input. My problem is that the individual ministers can be fired by the prime minister or by the legeslative assembly, but neither can tell them what to do. At the same time there isnt any official cabinet meetings that have any juridical og executive powers. All coordination is done informal between relevant ministers. The most powerfull executive powers are the prime ministers to use when he sees fit. Any thoughts on how to categorise this system?Apupunchau 16:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just signed up tonight, can't seem to make the link into an internal link. I will try to figure it out.

Surely perogative powers do not extend to modification of statutes? Parliament is supreme... ( under section 'cabinet of UK' —The preceding

"The Westminster cabinet system is the foundation of cabinets as they are known at the federal and state (or provincial) levels of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland, India and other Commonwealth of Nations countries whose parliamentary model was closely based on that of the United Kingdom." Ireland is not in the cmmonwealth and it is quite offensive to suggest that we are, removing the reference.plokt 15:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The references to the United Kingdom are inaccurate. Cabinet members are mostly called Secretaries of State, not secretaries, and more importantly the cabinet minister is not considered the "chief civil servant" in that department - in the UK system, ministers are regarded as seperate to the permanent civil servants.saxmund —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

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I came here after a list of the current UK cabinet. The article could do with a link to various country cabinet lists, or to a list of lists article - David Gerard (talk) 15:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The general part of the article seems overly US centric, which is inappropriate in a Wikipedia article about Cabinets in general. Either US specific examples should be removed, or a broader range of countries should be drawn on. Also, some of the information in the article is US specific, but not stated as such. SteveMcQwark (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with SteveMcQwark take this sentence:

In most countries, including those that use the Westminster system, Cabinet ministers are appointed from among sitting members of the legislature and remain members of the legislature while serving in the cabinet. In other countries, especially countries with a presidential system, the opposite is true: Cabinet members must not be sitting legislators, and legislators who are offered appointments must resign if they wish to accept.

So let see Ireland for example has a president, but the there is no restriction that says "Cabinet members must not be sitting legislators". or in India, or in South Africa, or in Germany ... What is meant is in states that have a constitution that segregates executive and legislative functions, not states "with a presidential system". --

It was a criticism levied against the Blair government during the third term: the Conservatives and popular media were accusing the government's policy of being formulated a "presidential" manner, with those on the PM's sofa holding undemocratic influence. This was definitely a part of British political discourse during the Blair years. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6497751.stm

Blair's "sofa government" was directly comparable to Jackson's "kitchen cabinet" and the first monarchical cabinets, so the point the paragraph makes is correct. I will replace the Original Research tag with the above BBC News link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowOfMars (talk • contribs) 21:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]