Talk:Cardigan (song)

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	A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 12, 2020. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Taylor Swift wrote the lyrics to the song "Cardigan" to co-writer Aaron Dessner's music in around five hours?

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I will suggest not classifying this song as the lead single until radio adds in either US, UK or Italy are confirmed.--NØ 06:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where is everyone getting the reference from that this is a single? I do not see it on All Access. Someone on Folklore (Taylor Swift album) said it has been confirmed as a single, but there is not a single source on the article that confirms this. So far, the only sources used are entertainment outlets but they do not seem as reliable as a source that explicitly shows that this song will impact radio. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this article Billboard names "Cardigan" a fist single. infsai (dyskusja) 20:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I 100% agree with the editors above that this was not confirmed as a single until the announcement it was sent to radio. I wish we could come together and write a consensus (better than

Yup, Billboard said that it's a first single. infsai (dyskusja) 20:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the release date should be listed as July 27, since that is the day that it impacted radio as a single. Its release on July 24 was a part of the album, not as a single. The fact that the video premiered on that date is irrelevant since a music video =/= a single release. — Status (talk · contribs) 18:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Wholly disagree. "Cardigan" was promoted as the album's lead single beginning with its release on July 24. Several sources reported this that day, along with it receiving a music video. It was concurrently released with the album, in the same fashion as "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".—NØ 19:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being "promoted" as a single isn't the same thing as being "released" as one. You can refer to something as being a single without it being released as one, yet. I would disagree the date used on "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored" as well. They were released as individual songs (not a single) alongside the rest of the album and then a few days later were sent to radio as an official single. "In Your Eyes" is an example of where it was done right, using the radio date instead of the album date. — Status (talk · contribs) 19:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • A single doesn’t equal a music video, but neither does radio play. According to
      Exile" right now, so we need to come to a consensus somehow. Doggy54321 (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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      • I agree with Status – just because it was released on July 24, it doesn't equate it being a single, as that song was released as part of the album. Hell, I remember on that day, I kept reverting edits that called the song a "single" because there were no sources to confirm it. Entertainment outlets had called it a single on July 24, but where did they even get their source from too? All Access clearly stated July 27. Besides, I think it's worth mentioning that Swift had only started selling "Cardigan" as a single on her website on July 27 too, as per her Twitter. Before this, the only source I could find selling just "Cardigan" as a single alone was Amazon, but Amazon also sell copies for individual non-singles alone too, such as for "The 1" and "This Is Me Trying". If we don't take into account radio, her releasing the digital and physical copies of "Cardigan" as just a single alone on the 27th should be able to prove that this song was only released as a single on the date itself. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • I mean the whole reason songs are called "singles" is because they're a single release—released separately from the album. I don't personally consider a music video a "release" of a song, it's more promotion of it (like a TV show performance or something). Radio play doesn't equal a single... lol what? So we're going to go through every airplay-only single article and revert them all to songs now? Come on... It was also not available for purchase on Swift's website (or anywhere) on the 24th, so I would have to agree with the July 27 date. I do agree though that it was referred to as the lead single on July 24, but I can't agree that it was released on that date. Heartfox (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Not sure why everyone above formatted their posts as replies to mine instead of starting from the left hand side. Either way since consensus has been established, someone can go ahead and change it to the July 27 date. I'm not objecting.--NØ 12:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So what consensus are we agreeing on? Over at "Exile", seems like the release date has been the date the song was pushed out to radio, yet the date here is different; I'll change to July 27 for the time being for standardisation. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 11:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the release date in the infobox should be July 27, as it is the day we have reliable sources backing it up being released as a single. We can separately mention the release of the song together with the album and the music video on July 24. Shuipzv3 (talk) 12:13, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]